nav[aria-label="Primary Navigation"] { padding: 0; & ul { list-style: none; width: 100%; display: flex; flex-direction: row; justify-content: start; align-items: start; gap: 30px; padding: 0; & li { margin: 0; } & ul li { list-style: none; } } }

Child Item

Helen McEntee & Those Donations - threadbanned users in OP

Dempo1

Helen McEntee, to a certain extent has been the Darling of Irish media for many year's, all for very good reason. Shes Likable, Efficient, and has an ability to show empathy and is good communicator. (Not Traits to be often found in many, many FG TD'S)

I equally think she's a bit of an enigma, can't explain it but just not sure.

The Indo has been chasing a curious story about Helen, Political Donations and a particular Donor, fond of Cheese & Onion Crisps. 3 stories this week on the same theme. It occurred to me, if this were any other politician, the story would have recieved a lot more attention and yet barely a whisper beyond the Indo.

Thoughts....

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/justice-minister-helen-mcentee-wont-say-if-tayto-boss-ray-coyle-gave-other-donations-41383117.html

I personally prefer King Crisps myself (Full disclosure 😉)

Threadbanned users:

jimwallace197

Find more posts tagged with

Quick Links

Comments

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719867#Comment_118719867

You really are all over the place there aren't you? Deflecting to everywhere and anything!

But as for the "justification" for my comments, see my post on the first page and the others I've made. As for my "right" to comment, read again the post you just quoted and come back if you need me to explain again.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719907#Comment_118719907

This is almost as amusing as the live line thread 🙄

whippet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719897#Comment_118719897

ah I get you now .. just like the anti-everything bots

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719838#Comment_118719838

No just those with a one Track mind "Defend FG at all costs" , Defend the indefensible, so to speak, they stick out like a sore thumb and utterly predictable 😏

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719684#Comment_118719684

Do you understand the saying?

To me it is 100% correct to what this thread is.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118714164#Comment_118714164

This is what you posted.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719768#Comment_118719768

So you made comments about her competence and experience yet you don't live in her constituency. So how can you make those comments when you have no idea why she has been voted into government multiple times?

In terms of her national performance she has been one of the top TD in Ireland and in Europe recently and I pointed to European counterparts giving her praise. She has more experience than any single member of the opposition and more than a lot of her colleague in government since she was first elected.

In education as pointed out she has a masters, which proves she is highly educated.

So if you can explain exactly why you think you should make comments about her performance and experience as a Minister?

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118718541#Comment_118718541

Nope, I'm not in her constituency, but just like your repeated attempts to make it about her gender, that point is also irrelevant - by that logic, no-one could comment on the performance of any Minister unless they were in their area - nonsense!

I'll even tell you why... TD's are NATIONAL representatives and should be judged on their performance on that stage, not how many potholes they filled, or social housing applications they pushed. We have an army of local councillors for that stuff!

Now how about YOU answer the questions raised, rather than your ongoing attempts to deflect from those questions.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719437#Comment_118719437

Which bit of she gave back a donation is a question about corruption?

The lengths you go to to dismiss women like Helen McEntee and Violet-Anne Wynne is mind-boggling, all in the cause of asking questions that nobody else is asking.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719662#Comment_118719662

It's a silly saying, utterly irrelevant to the Thread , I've no need to look up absurdities

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719358#Comment_118719358

I could explain but easier if you google and figure it out.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719589#Comment_118719589

I'm asking questions on both threads blackwhite.

Some posters not liking me doing that on both.

I don't know the track record of other posters as I don't frequent threads on immigration and feminism.

blackwhite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719567#Comment_118719567

Talking about yourself there Francie? 😂

It's noticeable on this thread in a lot of posts (not yours BTW before you get defensive) - how many posters have a particular problem with her recent initiatives for immigrants and her recent comments on violence towards women. Same posters usually appear on any thread regarding feminism and any thread regarding immigration as well. Co-incidence I'm sure

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719475#Comment_118719475

It's still a question and not an accusation in this case.

It's a forum that has a cohort who dislike questions being asked if it thinks that a certain party is going to be tarnished or if a certain other party is not going to be tarnished. Two prime examples of this running concurrently in the CA forum.

blackwhite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719437#Comment_118719437

Replying to the accusation that she took money in exchange for keeping Tayto Park open during Covid (which is one hell of a leap, considering there was no special exemption in any of the regulations to grant any special status to Tayto Park - or any similar types of business - they opened and closed in line with any other outdoor activity parks AFAIK)

blackwhite

Key question to be answered is how the refund of the donations came about.

If McEntee's office discovered it themselves, then that's really case closed. If it's a case of it took a SIPO review or audit to uncover it then, at best, it shows that they don't have proper controls in place in her office or at worst that they are deliberately ignoring the regulations.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719408#Comment_118719408

This is a question:

So just straight forward old fashioned corruption then?

A question asking if it is just old fashioned corruption in this case. We don't know if it is or not yet.

The rest of his/her post is fairly much on the button. They are becoming a by-word for corrupt practices for other reasons with some people, whether you like to admit it or not.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719389#Comment_118719389

Your looking well 😁

Precisely and ironically its the lack of any explanations fueling questions , of course there are those who'll suggest it's no one business, I beg to differ, particularly when it's not just a TD but minister for Justice.

blackwhite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713321#Comment_118713321

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118718672#Comment_118718672

Why lie Francie? Some very clear accusations of corruption being made without any evidence to back them up.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719358#Comment_118719358

True, this TD has been given the opportunity to give her side of the story, all that is being asked here is: does that story tally with the actual events.

Nothing more.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719273#Comment_118719273

Where you got that reminder from escapes me completely as I'm sure it does, most objective people , witches and burning 😳 mother of God are you sure your looking at the correct thread 🤔

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118718836#Comment_118718836

This thread remind me of a saying I once heard

"If the woman floats, then she is a witch and burn her"

Dempo1

Whilst some may have been a little Zealous in their comments and hard to disagree with 😏, I started this Thread asking two ligitmate questions,

A what's going on with these Donations which required SIPO to get involved.

B. Helen being the Darling of Media generally. It was striking to me the Indo (alone) latched on to this story, a number of articles over the past week.

Indeed, now added to the mix is Leo's delight at Helens explanations, (Ironic someone receiving an explanation from a Justice Minister, whilst infact still under criminal investigation) , Leo so happy, he's appointed her husband to a senior fund raising Roll for FG 😳

I've personally not accused Helen of corruption but certainly of forgetfulness and like it or not, there remain serious questions about these Donations and general shenanigans within FG , a party very critical of others, very slow to accept any of its own failings.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118718647#Comment_118718647

It seems a few people here are struggling with the concept of an election and how it works.

whippet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118718717#Comment_118718717

I'd hope so.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118718707#Comment_118718707

If there was evidence of corruption she would be gone....maybe.

whippet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118718672#Comment_118718672

that is the role of SIPO and I'm sure this will all come out.

But glad you cleared up the fact that there is no evidence or suggestion of corruption

No surprise that this sort of attention comes when there is mention of her having leadership intentions - the media need to find some angle.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118718399#Comment_118718399

Nobody has accused her of being corrupt.

A newspaper printed the story and there are evasions and anomalies reported that need to be questioned.

I.E. Did she receive other donations from this donor and in what form?

Have other donors made contributions in a way to get around regulations?

Did SIPO 'force her' to deal with this as the article says, or did she discover this herself. Makes a huge difference in fact?

These questions need to be cleared up independently of her.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118717657#Comment_118717657

Which bit of being elected by voters equates to walking into a position of power because of connections?

whippet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118718559#Comment_118718559

that's an opinion and anyone's opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I've no real strong opinion on her performance as minister - I find her very middle of the road in that respect.

my beef is with the notions that some people think that a three time elected TD inherited their seat and is only living off the coat tails of their father along with the accusations of corruption when absolutely zero evidence or even indication of what corruption has supposedly taken place.

As for the media attention of her pregnancy - I do feel it was justified as it was the first time that a sitting minister was pregnant and highlighted the bizarre reality that there was no official maternity leave policy in place.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118717657#Comment_118717657

Has you used her Master in Journalism and Media Communications? She is a TD, I gave you a hint with the highlight part. It does highlight some abvious flaws in the rest of the post when you miss that part.