Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501139#Comment_118501139

A pinch on the bottom, really, how affected can one be, male or female?

Not at all downplaying sexual assault, but it's getting ridiculously blurred and diluted

I am not saying sexual assaults' can only be violent rapes, but there really are levels to it, and a bottom pinch in my view barely makes it to the table.

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501459#Comment_118501459

Man: "would you like to go out for a drink sometime?"

Woman: "Do you have a full or provisional man licence? Any endorsements? How many miles on the clock?"

Leg End Reject

I'm not sure such a one-sided approach will be successful.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2022/0119/1274674-dail-violence-against-women/

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501302#Comment_118501302

Just because female violence is usually not physical does not mean it is not violence. Right now there are men drinking in pubs because they cannot bear to be under the same roof as the woman he married. Feminism has unleashed a torrent of gender violence against men on the pretext of a false narrative and hateful tropes. Violence against men is everywhere; in the home, the workplace everywhere. Most of the violence I have come up against was from women. It may not be physical but it is violence just the same.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501348#Comment_118501348

I'm bisexual... and I've been to many gay bars/clubs over the years, and in many different countries. To suggest that most men have no understanding of the risks involved is ridiculous, because like me, many men are weaker than other men. They might be less experienced at fighting, less confident, or simply that the other guy has some friends along. And yes, I have been pinched, slapped on the ass, my balls or chest groped, with creepy guys (and a few women) slobbering over me.

I get the impression that when people talk about "men" they're focusing on heterosexuals and imagining that their experiences are limited to a conventional kind of life... but there's quite a few gay and bisexual males knocking around... and many of us would have experiences of abusive encounters.

At the same time though, I was thinking of a friend of mine (hetero) who has been in an abusive relationship for years, whose wife is bigger/stronger than him, and he hasn't the personality to fight back against her. He's shown up to meetings with his friends sporting bruises, and I know he's gone to hospital a few times for problems when his wife was drunk. He stays with her because he knows that he won't get custody of the children, and he doesn't want to leave them alone with her. I've had my own experience of an abusive girlfriend who assaulted me, and who relied on the taboo of hitting a woman, to get away with it... thankfully, I got out of it without any serious injury.

The point is that many men know the fear of being abused or assaulted... either from other men, and/or from women. This is not an experience that is exclusive to women. They don't have tabs on being vulnerable or at risk.

My experiences taught me to be careful... and to avoid certain types of people, but also the kind of places where those people congregate. Take precautions. Have friends I can trust nearby. Don't trust strangers. But at the same time, it didn't teach me to see all men or all women as a danger. That's no way to live, and its incredibly unfair to the vast majority of people, who are decent, and won't be a dick (and yes, a woman can behave like a dick too).

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501379#Comment_118501379

So you'll keep shifting goalposts. Grand. Not following you anymore on this one.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501553#Comment_118501553

I wouldn’t use the word violence for that which I think should be confined to the physical. Women are subjected to much more physical violence than men when it comes to interactions between the sexes, I think there is little doubt about that. When it comes to extremely damaging verbal attacks and controlling behaviour, there is not much difference between the sexes. That is actually a far more widespread problem.

CreadanLady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501553#Comment_118501553

Violence is physical force by definition. You mean emotional abuse.

Fishdoodle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501553#Comment_118501553

I’ve experienced unprovoked verbal assaults/regular harassment in the workplace and when alone - female bosses in powerful “masculine energy’ positions. Is this women acting like men?? That said, I bear no grudges towards females! Bad apples are bad apples. I’m sure situations occur more regularly toward women - yet, an uncomfortable experience regardless of gender!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501615#Comment_118501615

Women are subjected to much more physical violence than men, I think there is little doubt about that.

Um, the statistics would object to that. Men are subjected to more physical violence than women... by a rather large degree in fact.

And... women are more likely to use emotional attacks than physical ones.. naturally enough, considering the differences in biological strength.. but compare the kind of violence that occurs within female groups vs that of male groups. Men are more likely to resort to physical aggression as a result of anger.. women resort to emotional or verbal attacks. The same can be said about controlling behaviors/coercion, depending on the groups in question.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501622#Comment_118501622

Oh so you dispute women's aids report of:

• Six percent of Irish women have experienced sexual violence and 31% of women have experienced psychological violence by a current or former partner since age 15

That's a shame. It would have suited your narrative.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501650#Comment_118501650

Yeah I agree with that. I have edited my post.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501622#Comment_118501622

Oh no no no. Hold on there. Violence is psychic/emotional/psychological/physical. Many, many men are subject to the most horrendous violence in the home and outside it. I know. I've been there. There's very little you can tell me about female domestic violence.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501622#Comment_118501622

nine_types_of_violence.pdf (gov.nl.ca)

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501468#Comment_118501468

I was replying to a comment that a pinch on the bum is a sexual assault and only a problem if a woman is on the receiving end of it because of how they may feel.

I've had women touch my groin, ass and on more than one occasion run their hands up under my shirt.

I don't agree that the action should be viewed any differently because of the perceived reaction or feelings of any party.

If my wife hits me in the face, should that be considered less of an assault than if I hit her in the face merely because 3 times her size?

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501302#Comment_118501302

100%

There are a small number of men here who are threatened by any proposed changes to help women feel safer in public.

When those changes happen, because its not if, its when, they will be on here hosting an even bigger pity party giving out about all sorts.

Despite being told again, again and again that this is not about being murdered, that its a culture change that is long overdue, once they are not murderers, they are unable to see that there is a drive for change.

There might be more of them here, but in the wider public, they are a minority, so time's up for everyday harassment, intimidation and disrespecting boundaries and personal space. They need to get over the persecution complex.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501547#Comment_118501547

Such bolox.........enforce the laws that are already there, apply consequences for repeat anti social offences , boost community policing, visible police presence etc etc

They really are a nest of cretins hell bent on twin goals of deflecting attention away from the difficult decisions they should be taking but have failed to do ( at least since I took an interest) and feathering their own nests....I doubt there is anything they wouldn't support/say if they thought it would further their careers regardless of how ineffective or potentially destructive it is........ its depressing how easily the majority falls for this bull plop....they should be made adopt policies that work backed up by the data/stats from first principles with no sacred cows like supporting the industry that has grown out of recidivism.

At least mcentee seems to be somewhat aware from her comments its all smoke and mirrors.....I wonder is she playing along and intends to actually use this to do something useful....I won't hold my breath but maybe she actually is interested in justice and fairness regardless of gender.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501817#Comment_118501817

Divide and conquer, that's what it's all about.

To make domestic "abuse" prosecutable without making a majority of both men and women lawbreakers will be quite the feat.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501822#Comment_118501822

Exactly. Almost anything can be construed to be violence. "S/he shouted at me!" lol

JoChervil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501598#Comment_118501598

I am not. Later means any time afterwards.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501822#Comment_118501822

It's clear as day that 99.9% of men have nothing but revulsion against what happened and do not condone sexual assault in any way.

Yet somehow, some of these lunatics are trying to say that they view all men as potential threats and simultaneously expect men to protect them.

Misogyny didn't kill that girl.

Men didn't kill that girl.

A man did.

A man who people are condemning as strong as humanly possible.

I'll continue to not rape or murder anyone nor will i condone it. I will ensure, to the best of my ability, that nobody I know rapes or murders anyone. I will do whatever I can to thwart any rape or murders I happen to come across.

Funnily enough, I don't just mean women. I mean anyone.

I love the women in my life and I'm damned if I am going to let them grow up thinking that the world is harder for a woman than it is for a man.

john123470

Leafing thru one UK newspaper today :

"Female PE teacher, 46, who groomed, controlled and sexually abused teenage pupil over five years then offered to pay £10,000 when she threatened to tell the police is jailed for six years .."

"Toddler who was 'beaten to death by his mother, 24, and her boyfriend was told to 'shut up' and warned he was 'ruining the fun' in harrowing recordings taken before he died from crushed ribs', court hears . "

"Woman, 35, who groomed a 'highly vulnerable' teenage boy, 15, via mobile phone messages for sex is jailed for five years .."

"Ghislaine Maxwell is set to be sentenced for sex trafficking crimes on June 28 . "

One wonders who needs protection from whom

jimwallace197

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2022/0119/1274674-dail-violence-against-women/

So lets eradicate violence against women, what about violence against men??

Stalking, where do we draw the line, does simply checking on an ex's facebook status make you guilty of this? because in truth, women are far more guilty of this in my experience.

What kind of a society is Ireland trying to build here? One that men are terrified of even approaching a woman or engaging in conversation with them. Grand so, immigration will go up. I for one, don't want to live in a country like this where men are vilified the way they are & I have a lot of reasons to stay here but **** this.

Its frankly disgusting the level of bias & discrimination the Government are engaging in. Id have a little more respect for them if this wasnt as a result of some random murder by a psycho who isn't even from Ireland.

This so called Justice Minister inherited her position from Daddy, spent a very limited time working in the real world(in truth knows **** all about the real world) & is now pandering as much as possible to the insidious feminist agenda in this country.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501984#Comment_118501984

I think violence against children is a separate topic which Irish society is not ready to discuss or deal with yet.

There are some effective actions men can take to lessen womens fear but very little men can do to stop the violent attacks. If a man attacks gets convicted and then is quickly allowed back on the streets then all the proposals being discussed will not help.

AyeGer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501462#Comment_118501462

Of course not.

john123470

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118502024#Comment_118502024

"Its frankly disgusting the level of bias & discrimination the Government are engaging in. Id have a little more respect for them if this wasnt as a result of some random murder by a psycho who isn't even from Ireland.

This so called Justice Minister inherited her position from Daddy, spent a very limited time working in the real world(in truth knows **** all about the real world) & is now pandering as much as possible to the insidious feminist agenda in this country .."

Disgusting is the word.

Frightening how inept and useless she is.

Pass the buck onto the "sheeple". Let them thrash it out amongst themselves

Disgusting, yes

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501553#Comment_118501553

I’d say they’re in the boozer because with a skinful a gargle the wife looks a whole lot better come lights out!!!

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501910#Comment_118501910

I agree with most of what you posted in this thread to some degree or other.

But I disagree with you on your last comment. I'd hands down always prefer being a man over being a woman. I don't have any brothers, I've 2 sisters and I have a daughter and there is no question in my mind, it's harder to be a woman than it is a man in a whole host of ways.

Other cultures aside where its frankly shocking how they treat women, but in this society, its hard being a woman.

Having watched my wife give birth to 3 of our children (which I'm sure you may have seen in your own family) I remember thinking to myself, regardless of what happens between us, you I can't but admire and have a serious respect what she's gone through.

Women, get paid less, women have to often sacrifice career v family.

That's not to belittle to pressures and struggles men have to deal and high suicide rate among men, with but given the choice, I'll choose being man every time

walshb

Women do not get paid less. There are laws that make it illegal to discriminate against people in all walks of life

Alison O’Connor was trotting out this line last week completely unchallenged.

Im sick of the bull around it.

Employers would be absolutely slaughtered if it transpired that they were breaking employment laws by illegally paying women less.

Men and women may get paid less due to circumstances. But there is no basis whatsoever to say women are paid less legally.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118502095#Comment_118502095

I agree that outside western democracies, women are treated horrendously.

But as for here and now, there's absolutely nothing preventing a young girl growing up and doing whatever she chooses. I'll never have my daughter's think they have it harder or better than anyone based on their colour or their sex.

You just have to look on here to see what growing up feeling you are hard done by does to people.