Anyone thinking of emigrating?

maninasia

I also found that some of my friends who stayed in Ireland are doing okay , but haven't been able to save as much cash as me to any degree due to the high tax and high cost nature of the state. Still they take a few foreign holidays a year so they cant be too badly off.

And partly due to the RIDICULOUS capital gains taxes on stocks and pensions 33-41% many have no or little stock investments. Almost all wealth depends on their real estate.

Wages havent kept up with the US and some European and Asian countries growth over the last five to ten years, theres a creeping devaluation of earnings also as the Euro weakens..There are some high paid jobs of course its not all bad.

Obviously as you look around there seem to be plenty of Irish still doing well but I highly suspect that is mainly an older crowd.

Cost of things like hotels and eating out are massive turn off but it seems many are willing to pay the crazy prices. Its hard to see my own country its getting so expensive now. I started to feel nostalgia for the 'bad old days'.

Jack Mehof

Did it 6 months ago. Turned out shite be back home before this time next year

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427838#Comment_119427838

You often find the complainers and whingers here don't change just because their surroundings have.

maninasia

Professional jobs tend to pay way more in the US though.

You name it sales reps, managers IT ,medical, marketing, they often pay double Ireland's pay and income taxes are lower and very low capital gains on stocks. An ordinary sales rep in the US could easily pull in 120k but standard in Ireland is approx 60k for same level, I know I check the jobs postings.

Pissy Missy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427838#Comment_119427838

Where did you go?

sprucemoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392015#Comment_119392015

all those problems will basically be the same in the US, except they have mexicans that they dont treat as well as we treat ukranians

your problem is with foreigners not ireland, have a little think about your views on the world before you move across the world

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392015#Comment_119392015

Moaning about the Ukrainian refugees all the time really isn’t a good look, mate.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430127#Comment_119430127

He's moaning about Irish governments and the politicians... not Ukrainians themselves. He wasn't even all that subtle about it, so I'm wondering why you'd want to deflect his point on to the refugees.,

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430704#Comment_119430704

I refuse to take anyone who emphasises words with italics seriously.

aligator_am

If you're single or even married but with no kids then moving should be handy enough, but the clutch cargo thing will be if you're able to either work remotely, work where you're going, or can work online in a sort of digital nomad type role.

See what skills you have, are you IT literate? Are you able to do freelance work in marketing, web design, SEO etc. as stuff like this can generally be done from anywhere so long as you have a half decent internet connection that will stay connected for most of the day.

I think now, with a lot of places that many would have moved to previously, visas are going to be an issue.

Again, it's gonna depend on what skills you have, I think in general, most countries won't welcome you long term if you're going to be taking a job that one of their "basic" citizens can do (i.e. labourer) but they'll be more willing to accept you if you're a programmer, web designer, doctor, project manager etc.

If you have a degree then it's worth your while to do a TEFL course (not those poxy ones that show up on Groupon), have found Premier TEFL based in Cork to be quite good. If you just want out of this drab, overpriced hellhole then this could be a good option. Having a degree is important on this one though as most of the good countries that you'd like to teach in will require a degree.

Anyway, that's my suggestions to those who are possibly looking for some paths to freedom before the incoming recession absolutely savages this place. I'm hoping it'll be of some use to someone :)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430763#Comment_119430763

I'm fine with that. Just shows how closed you are to others opinions... and your attempt to deflect his post towards an outrage moment is rather telling.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119431021#Comment_119431021

If you have a degree then it's worth your while to do a TEFL course (not those poxy ones that show up on Groupon), have found Premier TEFL based in Cork to be quite good. If you just want out of this drab, overpriced hellhole then this could be a good option. Having a degree is important on this one though as most of the good countries that you'd like to teach in will require a degree.

Regarding TEFL certification, get a 120 hour course. Anything less will severely limit your options, as it's become the standard for most countries. Don't be concerned with what modules, although I'd highly recommend classroom management (large groups and special needs) and curriculum development if your course does it. If you're serious about it, getting a CELTA/DELTA is a good option (Because the focus on the US abroad), and really elevates you above most of the general TEFL crowd.

As for the degree, the general expectation is a 4 year bachelor degree in any subject, and some countries ask for a number of years experience working (2-3) in addition to it, but that can be of any field, not just teaching.

Teaching abroad is very very good. The TEFL certification is a good starter, giving you time to find a teaching role in other subjects. So, for example, my first few teaching gigs were English, but within two years, I'd moved to lecturing Business Admin at university. The TEFL jobs provide the opportunities to network because you're exposed to a lot of people through the teaching gigs, and allows some time to adjust to that particular foreign culture.

I've never regretted leaving Finance to become a teacher. It's been an absolute blast. However, do some long-term planning about your intentions and personal development. It's very easy to wake up a decade later, wondering where all the time has gone, and being limited in your job prospects. Asia, and other areas can be rather ageist, so you want to be doing more than TEFL by the time you reach 50. Still.. It's a wonderful way to experience another culture.

Andrewf20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119429922#Comment_119429922

It can be a toxic work environment over there more than here though. Long hours, on call expectations, limited holidays is what I witnessed. Very stressful.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119431050#Comment_119431050

Good man, I’m glad you’ve started to use proper formatting instead of your normal pretentious style.

That poster has a long history of slagging off Ukrainian refugees on this site, that is just the latest example of it.

The irony of him casting Ukrainians in Ireland as parasites while wondering aloud about calling over to his uncle in the US for a handout is so, so rich. It’s richer than a chocolate gateaux in a five star restaurant. With hot chocolate syrup on the side. Mmm.

maninasia

Your posting about his views on Ukranian refugee polcy is irrelevant..

Whats your view on refugees in Ethiopia ? Or Liverpool vs Manchester.

NOBODY cares.

Its irrelevant. Its boring.

maninasia

Yes it is work hard play hard for a lot, although not all of those positions.

You earn in one year what it would take two years in Ireland Income taxes are lower there. More job opportunities too. Living costs not so different overall Uni fees high but if you move there from ireland to work you have little student debt. Work hard at a corporate job for ten or twenty years and you can do very well there. Decide to stay or come back with money in your pocket your choice. I work for a multinational so I know the score.

IMHO living in Ireland is getting so expensive and taxes are so high you have to be on well over 100k plus for a couple to get ahead in Dublin.

Outside Dublin less is fine and its possible to live well on lower salaries due to lower accomodation costs, less than 100k per couple, but taxes are still brutal on higher earners.

Murph85

Anyone young or unattached, would be off their rocker to stay in this secomt world backwater! You'll be the one paying outrageous rents and taxes, to pay for a large cohort here, living a way higher quality of life than they would in other European countries, this better quality of life, is paid for by your much reduced quality of life.

Get the degree and get out! the quality of politician in this country is in the gutter...

maninasia

I agree somewhat although pay is much lower in southern Europe remember . UK, Switzerland , Germany and Holland seem to pay well for professionals. UK and Switzerland MUCH lower taxes on high earners, UK and Germany lower cost of living too.

Income taxes to Ireland are similar in countries such as Spain but you have a vastly lower living cost and..the weather and food and cheap hotels .

I agree politicians in Ireland are largely inexperienced and unqualified for their roles, especially ministers.

Jack Mehof

Amsterdam! Beautiful place but it's not for me. If anything it solidified I like living rurally.

+ The Dutch are **** for the most part

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119431183#Comment_119431183

Whereas you have a long history of doing the opposite of your #BeKind statements.

I'll leave it here as you've obviously not changed.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430763#Comment_119430763

I refuse to take anyone with an edgy signature on their posts seriously.

Jack Mehof

I might be reading your comment wrong mate but are you referring to me as a whinger or other people on here

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119431073#Comment_119431073

I worked in six different companies over six years in America, IT contracting mainly.

I found it no more toxic, no more stressful, no longer hours, no greater on call expectations than I have in my 20+ years doing the same type of work in Ireland.

Pussyhands

The only thing keeping me in Ireland is family. If I was alone I'd definitely leave.

The government's actions even on a daily basis are so annoying.

Motivator

Would love to move to the US in the next few years. My wife and I have discussed it on and off for a while now, with neither of us coming out and saying “let’s do it”. I think if one of us were to grab the bill by the horns we’d be up and gone pretty quickly. We have our mortgage but no other debt on credit cards or anything like that and we live in an area where our house would probably be sold tomorrow if we listed it. We’d get probably €100k in our hand after the mortgage is taken off the sale price. Both our cars are paid for in cash and I could put in for a transfer to my company’s US headquarters so jobs won’t be an issue for either of us as the wife has a job she can do anywhere in the world. With proceeds of the house sale, sale of two cars and our savings we’d have probably €180k/€190k in our pocket if we were to move. That would take most if not all stress away initially if we were to move.

What’s holding us back? Family is the one thing. With one child, the move for us would be relatively straightforward but leaving family behind is something both of us are not exactly thrilled at the thoughts of. Both of us have lived abroad before and know the score and obviously we could always come back if it didn’t work. Ireland is our home but it’s feeling less and less like a place that we see in our long term plans.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119432214#Comment_119432214

Ireland is our home but it’s feeling less and less like a place that we see in our long term plans.

Something to consider is that settling back into Ireland (after living extensively abroad) can be quite expensive, and awkward. I've had friends who struggled to get bank accounts created because of the newer banking laws. So, when thinking about living abroad, it might be worth considering how long you're going to be abroad, and whether you want to return within a decade, two decades, etc. As time passes, your past contributions to the Irish State diminish, and you essentially become a new migrant to Ireland (even though you're Irish), but without access to all the NGOs/supports that cater to foreign migrants.

Still.. I'd say go for it. I don't think Ireland is heading in the right direction, and is going to become very expensive to live in over the long term, along with more and more nanny state regulations.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119432006#Comment_119432006

You only see emigration as a solution because you don't know anything about the actions of governments in other countries.

Allinall

The more whingers and moaners emigrate the better.

Makes the place a lot more pleasant for the rest of us.

tinytobe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119431183#Comment_119431183

The problem is that the thought of emigrating from Ireland is to a certain extend sadly driven by the low and often poor choice of housing in the country, especially in and around Dublin.

This automatically begs the question, why should Ireland house refugees if Ireland can't even house their own?

Also, it's a different discussion and understanding if a Ukrainian already has family in Ireland with whom he or she can stay.

But if one has no family ties to Ireland, but can apparently afford a plane ticket, but expects to be housed and there is no housing available, it automatically raises certain questions. And it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Ireland does have a housing crisis in terms of availability and prices.

Also the discussion about this subject has gotten sadly a bit liberal-left-ideological in Ireland and other opinions aren't often liked, which doesn't help the situation at all.

Even more, it's ironical, the ones coming to Ireland, demanding shelter from war, the other ones leaving, as they're not finding any perspectives.

jim-mcdee

Please, let us all know when you find the land of milk and honey. I was considering joining my sister in San Francisco but the thoughts of getting 1 million together for a starter home put me off slightly. Plus the health insurance. Plus the property taxes.