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Anti-vax/science/lockdown folks facing consequences in the courts

  • 04-12-2021 6:59pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 11,131 ✭✭✭✭ DaCor


    It does the heart good to see some of these folks getting hauled before the courts.

    Utterly bonkers defense from this lad

    Anyone know of others?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭ interlocked





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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 8,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Jim2007


    It will be interesting to see what will happen if he does not pay the fine and is still unemployed. Because there is a provision in the EU FMOP rules allowing a state to require an EU citizen to return home if they fail to establish economic viability.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭ Tork


    When did he become unemployed? When that Joe McCarron story kicked off back in September, Mureddu was said to own or run the Headford Arms Ristopub.



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 Rynaldo


    They should get the death penalty right lads?



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,628 ✭✭✭✭ Lumen




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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,233 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


    fair points, but theres clearly some sort of disorders at play with many of these folks, this situation is again showing up the failures of our most critical social systems, in particular our health system



  • Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ swampy353


    I first said that he should have an assessment (which could lead to sectioning), which I believe is within the remit of the court to order. He may come back as mentally sound but a total crackpot/arsehole, in that case throw the book at him, or he may have a diagnosis, which can then enable him to get treatment and possibly reduce risk to the community.

    @Wanderer78 Dont see it as a failure of the health system (yet), see it as courts etc not diverting people towards the help that they obviously need



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,233 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


    its multi system failure, our legal system is effectively an ineffective element of our health system, our legal system should flag our health system, but it rarely does, our legal system perfectly displays our social dysfunctions, and the failures of our critical social systems and institutions



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,233 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


    yup, because we continue to fail, to meet our needs, in particular our most critical of needs , it basically fcuks us all up



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭ kravmaga


    Dee Wall is another anti vax protestor turning up at protests outside Ministers homes , attends every protest and is very friendly with Gemma O'Doherty.

    A bench warrant is out for her failing to appear, wanted status.

    If I remember rightly she was always outside google HQ protesting.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/7959493/cops-arrest-warrant-anti-vaxxer-dolores-webster-dee-wall/



  • Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ swampy353


    I have said over a couple of posts that he should be assessed. I have not presumed to judge what the outcome of this assessment might be (unlike you).

    The mental health act sets out the following as reasons for sectioning

    There is a serious likelihood of the person concerned causing immediate and serious harm to himself or herself or to other persons (as you said)

    OR

    Person concerned is so impaired that failure to admit the person to an approved centre would be likely to lead to a serious deterioration in his or her condition or would prevent the administration of appropriate treatment that could be given only by such admission,

    AND

    Would be likely to benefit or alleviate the condition of that person to a material extent.

    While you may not agree that its a good use of money, don't forget this is a man who talked a vulnerable person out of getting treatment which may have contributed to his death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ swampy353


    Fully accept that may not be how the law is implemented but it is how its written.

    I didn't imply that all antivaxxers are mentally ill, I said this one person seems to have issues, based on his actions (contract written in red ink, the way he spoke about the courts not having authority over him and encouraging a seriously ill man to refuse treatment). While I don't agree with antivaxxers, everyone is entitled to make choices for themselves and it doesn't mean that they are mentally ill.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,131 ✭✭✭✭ DaCor




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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,131 ✭✭✭✭ DaCor


    Neo Facist?

    Is that the guy from the Matrix? 😉



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