Ms. Marvel - Disney+ (***Spoilers***)

Agent Coulson

Ms. Marvel will it be a lead into The Marvels or a spin off it I wonder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrWvQZqcXOI&ab_channel=MarvelUniverseEntertainment

CastorTroy

Lead in, I'd say since they're about a year apart and this introduces her.

Like I said before, seems there are a number of changes to the character origin and powers.

EoinMcLovin

Releasing June 8th

https://youtu.be/m9EX0f6V11Y

Sonics2k

Quite enjoyed the trailer for this, daughter is really excited for this one.

pixelburp

Sometimes I watch trailers for things and I go "Nope. That ain't for me, god speed to it", and exit stage left. The first MCU production I shan't be bothering with. Strange they're not going with her stretchy powers from the comics.

brianregan09

Probably preparing for Mr. Fantastic coming into the fold and don't want them having similar powers

CastorTroy

The problem with stretchy powers is how to do them without looking goofy or crap. Just look at the 2 Fantastic 4 films or The Flash. I still would've preferred them as well.

I would say they announced the series with the intention of using the proper powers but probably didn't work right when they did effects testing. Or may have been too expensive.

pjohnson

She isn't an Inhuman so thats why the powers/origins switch.

Slydice

Wierd... that same youtube video must have sent me to a different trailer because I'm pretty sure I saw stretch powers.

CastorTroy

She did a stretch punch type move but it was just the energy or whatever that power is.

flazio

I see a lot of chatter among comic readers about big changes to Kamala's back story. Mostly to do with trying to keep InHumans out of canon. Not a comic reader myself so all I care about is a fun story. The trailer is giving me big Into the Spider-verse vibes, especially with the comic graphics at the start. Maybe that was just for the trailer, we'll see but overall I'm positive for this.

gmisk

I enjoyed the comic books very much (well I have only read 1-4). I suppose them likely removing the inhumans stuff on this was necessary given how horrible the tv show was....it's a shame because it has bags of potential. But it might prove to be a blessing for want of a word keep it slightly more grounded like a "friendly neighbourhood spiderman" vibe.

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I am guessing Captain Marvel will pop up at some stage? She has a really important role in the comics and maybe need her involved to help tee up The Marvels film?

Kermit.de.frog

Disney and the MCU have potential triumph in Moon Knight but as sure as night follows day along this will be coming which will undo all progress. I'll give it a try but my expectation is that this will be worse than Captain Marvel.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118868030#Comment_118868030

It's fairly obvious from the trailers both shows are aimed at completely different demographics and interests. This show doesn't appeal to me but it's clearly not aimed at middle-aged men either so wish it well. I hope it does what it wants to do with success 🤷

Spon Farmer

I’m really hoping this a crime fighting series and shows the struggle to hide the superhero is from family and friends.

So far all the MCU heroes are known to the public. Even Kate Bishop being a hero is known to many people.Moon Knight and Scarlet Scarab are so far the only to be unknown to the public.

MCU needs more heroes and villains with secret identities.

EoinMcLovin

https://youtu.be/o8usJNFvVS4

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CastorTroy

She sounds so dour. Voice seems so monotonous

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790225#Comment_118790225

The screen test the ever loving heck out of their character designs until they get something that feels right. This was my first assumption when I saw the change, CGI and stretchy skin have always looked terrible.

this is the first live action MCU for me that looks geared at a youth audience not a general audience, I’m not able to say I’m excited for this one but I’ll probably put it on anyway as new mcu content.

EoinMcLovin

https://www.empireonline.com/tv/news/ms-marvel-powers-not-exact-translation-from-comics-kevin-feige-exclusive/

We adapt the comics; it’s not an exact translation,” Kevin Feige tells Empire. “[Kamala] came about in a very specific time within the comic-book continuity. She is now coming into a very specific time within the MCU continuity. And those two things didn’t match.”

flazio

It does look Marvel Studios meets Disney channel. That's not always a bad thing necessarily. I think back to Doctor Who about 12-15 years ago, Show runner Russell T Davies had 3 related shows on the go. Doctor Who for all the family, Torchwood for the older audience and The Sarah Jane Adventures for the younger audience. I have no trouble in saying that while Torchwood was always the darker series, Sarah Jane was the more mature of the spin offs, sometimes more mature then Doctor Who itself. Star Trek recently had a young persons series that seems to be doing well so why not let Marvel Studios have a go?

I'm rooting for Iman Vellani, it's commendable that Marvel went for giving a new actor her break on tv, it's the same with Alaqua Cox on Hawkeye.

Overheal

Can’t say I’ve sampled Star Trek Prodigy. Lower Decks would be adult animation though. Good?

CastorTroy

Lower Decks definitely improved after the initial episodes but yeah it's more geared towards the older audience with all the references and the more mature content. Prodigy could probably be compared to early Star Wars Rebels or maybe Star Wars Resistance but, again, it got better as it went on. But definitely not aimed at anyone that couldn't ignore PLT holes.

But, anyway, with Ms Marvel I do hope it's good and the effects in the trailer do look promising. At least won't have to wonder how her costume works with her embiggening powers.

flazio

Well, they changed Spider-mans webbing from a science gadget to part of the mutation for Raimi's movies so maybe the cosmic bracelet will be accepted just as easily.

CastorTroy

Don't think that was easily accepted among a lot of fans. 🤔 Though when they worked that into the comics in the The Other storyline it had a reason for happening and I think the story was well received.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119038701#Comment_119038701

I remember having a big special publication Marvel put out before the Raimi movie was announced, it was a whole compendium on the character, info about suits, gadgets, etc. and probably was a great design guide for the PS1 game devs... I remember the book had a chapter about failed Spiderman movies, the Japanese cartoon, and even about James Camerons idea originally to adapt them to film as organic web shooters and to potentially cast Leonardo DiCaprio. This was right after the Feature Movie rights had just recently been secured to Columbia Pictures (now Sony), and Marvel had gotten its second life on the other side of bankruptcy, so the compendium was very storied about Marvel's financial history and the story of the Spiderman IP. I don't remember anyone bothered by that idea of organic shooters, but I was very young, and I thought it seemed clever (as a fan of the 90s show). Couldn't tell you what their logic was for it on adapting to film, probably a live action production reason, like worrying about costume design or bulky shooters. Or they didn't want to explain how Peter could engineer web shooters, IDK. This was long before they had a reason for it in the comics or anything. Having it be part of his transmutation though is admittedly very efficient from a storytelling perspective (and made the sequel's story about Peter losing his mojo easier to tell too).

I had to look it back up on wikipedia, I wish I still had that book it was very good. Didn't talk about the Sex Scene between Spiderman and Mary Jane on top of the Brooklyn Bridge in the Cameron draft though! Was that in the comics? Jaysis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_in_film#The_Amazing_Spider-Man_series

You may come away from this wiki article a little mindfucked about how Hollywood even functions. And now I am sad I will never see a Bob Hoskins Doc Ock.

Overheal

FB comment from a comic book nerd on why here powers are different. Makes sense

"She came out in the comics at a time when [Marvel] were shadow banning the Fantastic Four and hyping up Inhumans as thematic replacements for the X-Men since we didn't have the movie rights for them. Now we have the rights and are working on bringing them into the MCU and we don't want to introduce two stretchy powers people in the same phase."

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119041901#Comment_119041901

It doesn't really; there are loads of superheroes with super strength and several heroes with super intelligence. Why don't they want two stretchy heroes? Maybe there's something in the show that will justify but not wanting two stretchy heroes just comes across as a bit petty.

flazio

The reaction at the start is cute.

https://youtu.be/LUfyStGAENg

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119088045#Comment_119088045

Very wholesome vibe. I like the trailer work here and it makes me feel a bit more hopeful that this will be a great addition

FunLover18

I'm keeping my expectations for all future Marvel shows very low.

youngblood

Disney dropped first 2 eps to reviewers, reviews are mixed.... leaning mildly positive......

Slydice

Saw Graces video talking about the episodes from a business angle as they are not allowed do reviews yet.

Says stretching does happen but it's more like she has Green Lantern like powers. That would make sense to why I saw stretching in the trailer but the powers don't appear to be stretching powers.

JP Liz V1

Ms. Marvel will receive its UK premiere on Disney+ on Wednesday June 8th

Is that a different date to the rest of the world?

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119137634#Comment_119137634

If only one Disney + then same date I think

flazio

A 5 minute special called "A Fan's Guide to Ms. Marvel" was just added to D+ today. Having watched it I think it's safe to say that casting Iman Vellani as Kamala Kahn might be the best debut casting of a young character since Evanna Lynch as Luna Lovegood. She knows the comic, she understands the character, now lets hope the writers gave her a good story.

Agent Coulson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119146457#Comment_119146457

It really does look like perfect casting.

Agent Coulson

A likeable opening episode with a very likeable lead for me anyway

A small mid credit stinger.

Mr Crispy

Yeah, she's got great energy. I've enjoyed any interviews I've seen her do too - she was a Marvel fanatic before she got the gig. Perfect casting!

CastorTroy

I understand it might look cool, but all the background animations could be toned down a bit.

Just a setup episode this week. I expect will get the experimenting and all next week. Hard to tell from this episode, but apart from what we saw in the mid credits scene, there doesn't seem to be a big bad.

flazio

I enjoyed that. If you ever saw "The Mitchells vs The Machines" on Netflix (by the same crew as Into the Spider-verse) this gives off a very similar vibe. Ever since Sherlock I've always enjoyed when directors get creative with text messaging portrayl. This isn't going to change the direction of Phase 4, but it's still looking like a lot of fun. I'll be back next week. 🙂

Penn

I thought it was great. I thought it all worked well, it was pretty funny and it's a decent start.

Though the force of Ant-Man's rolling head on flat ground and the other girl getting absolutely lamped out of it by Mjolnir was atrocious. Funny, but atrocious.

flazio

OK 2 things. 1. The Captain Marvel seal of approval.

https://twitter.com/brielarson/status/1534574185313226757?t=Yv1ZhXkN6z8pM23LXqoZrA&s=19

2. Ms Marvel is continuing the QR code easter egg hunt. There is a QR code above the ATM in the Circle K Q Bodega which links to a free online comic.

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119174590#Comment_119174590

Wouldn't call her a "big bad" but the bully (if you can call her that, Kamala is getting off lightly compared to Eleven on Stranger Things) who Kamala saved at the Con looks to be an ongoing adversary.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119177207#Comment_119177207

I'd disagree, I got the feeling she was more likely to become a friend/ally. I don't know enough of Ms.Marvel from the comics though to know who her usual enemies are or to have picked up on foreshadowing, so it's hard to know. But I'm glad there was no big "This is who the villain is" scene in this episode. It would have felt completely out of place.

CastorTroy

Yeah apart from the "watch it!" part at the start, she seemed like the popular girl who's not a total b!tch and wasn't treating Kamala like the others did. Of course we could see her in coming weeks being mean to Kamala while fangirling over Ms Marvel.

I agree the big bad mightn't have fitted the episode but when mid credits scene started I thought that's what they were setting up. Of course that organisation could be the bad guys.

Watched some of it last night... Turned if off, never to be aired again in the house.

youngblood

Bit of a tough watch for a first episode-Not holding much hope

kerplun k

Didn’t realise this dropped. This has zero appeal for me. Normally the MCU is enough to peak my interest, but this one is just lost on me. I’m curious to see how it lands with audiences.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180638#Comment_119180638

Same, hadn't realised it was out, but also have interest either. As a 41 year old man I'm clearly not the target demographic by the looks of things, so I wish it well & hope it jams with those who it would be aimed at.

flazio

Well I'm 39, watched it and enjoyed it. As Terrence Dicks once wrote for Tom Baker on Doctor Who, "There's no point in being a grown-up if you can't be a bit childish sometimes". On paper the plot does sound like one of those Disney channel/ Nickelodeon shows with the canned laughter, Daydreaming in the office, totalling the driving testers car, sassy mom says no party, kids use funny master plan to sneak out which goes wrong, party gets ruined, kids get found out, school adversary gets humiliated, the usual. Wandavision made sure to hit all the usual tropes of the sitcoms it was emulating for the first month or so and then the story came together once D'Arcy came along.

Like with Hawkeye, this pretty much delivered what was promised in the trailer.

I didn't like how cut off Moonknight was from the rest of the MCU, do I want it cancelled? No. Will I watch the next season if it gets one? Absolutely.

It is what it is. It's not like we're being denied a Daredevil or Jessica Jones season 4 in order for this to be made. Like Wandavision was for Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, this is a set up for The Marvels. So far this week between The Orville, Obi-Wan, this and Stranger Things. The only two shows that have impressed me are this and Stranger Things. This for its innovative visuals and Stranger Things episode 4 for a stonking performance.