Ms. Marvel - Disney+ (***Spoilers***)

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181033#Comment_119181033

That's fair enough if you liked it, and would broadly agree with Uncle Terrence's assessment, a man who knew well how to thread the needle. Just with Ms Marvel I can see it's not in my wheelhouse, but I also see some folks getting steamed about it (not necessarily here, mind) cos it's a MCU production not immediately configured to their tastes and preferences, and I don't get that attitude.

ixoy

We both enjoyed it here and it reminded us a little of Netflix's "Never Have I Ever" with super powers. I think it's a good think Marvel are experimenting a bit with the story lead and how it's played out (at least initially). Everything they do doesn't need to appeal to everyone and trying to get a different audience is, if nothing else, sound marketing strategy.

CastorTroy

The comics aren't for everyone either and are a lot more lighthearted than a lot of the other comics. So I guess the tone is similar for this.

Mr.Nice Guy

I thought it was dreadful. I ended up skipping ahead and then eventually turning it off. Came across to me like a poor version of Stargirl. Probably doesn't help that I'm a few episodes into Luke Cage and enjoying it. This show doesn't seem my cup of tea, so I think I'll be giving it a miss, Marvel.

TheIrishGrover

I thought it was cute. I mean good to see them doing something a bit different. It's obviously aimed at a different demographic than, say, Wandavision or Winter Soldier and that's fair enough. Well, I mean they still want those viewers but it's not angled at them.

I did have to turn on the subtitles again as I found her dialogue SO hard to follow (Especially her podcast monologue at the start). She spoke SO fast and the bilingual didn't help. But again, not a problem. I am pushing 50. Her character is 16. lol.

So it was cute and fun. I'll watch it to pass the time. Not the end of the world if I drop it. I'm not the target audience but I'm sure the target will enjoy it and good luck to them

Mitch Connor

I enjoyed it, but I don;t like that her power comes from the braclet.

If you give the braclet to anyone else, they now have the power and she is just a normal kid again. I don't like that set up for a super hero.

Though it is, I suppose, similar to Iron Man (just a billionaire, playboy, philanthropist without the suit...) or Falcon/New Captain America. Still, don't like it.

flazio

As I remember it, "Inhumans" was an invention to get around Fox having "Mutant" rights. Want to use a mutant character that Fox aren't using in the MCU? Make them an Inhuman. Disney own Fox now so that problem is gone.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119184555#Comment_119184555

Not quite - Inhumans in terms of the comics date back to the 60s.

Mutants are a result of Evolution, Inhumans are scientifically created (Terregan Mist altering the genetic code)

iguana

The Inhumans have been part of Marvel since 1965. They just weren't ever hugely popular, and existed mostly as storylines for The Fantastic Four. Even their most 'breakout' characters like Medusa and Crystal were only mildly popular with both as second string FF members and Crystal when married to Quicksilver and in the Avengers.

When the MCU took off Marvel really tried to make the Inhumans a big deal to rival mutants in the comics. That was when they had the Terrigan mists spread across the earth and empower people with dormant Inhuman genes. Which was definitely something of a retcon of Inhuman history. It was where Kamala Khan was introduced and became Ms Marvel. At the same time Marvel completely, ridiculously, retconned Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's history. And tried to vastly curtail the X-Men and other mutant characters in the comics. The Agents of Shield tv show was used to introduce Inhumans to the MCU. The Inhumans tv show followed and flopped. Disney bought Fox, got the rights to the mutants and started working to quietly erase their attempts to make the Inhumans a mutant substitute.

Kamala/Ms Marvel is the one real success of the endeavour but is obviously not representing Inhumans in the MCU. (At least for now.)

EoinMcLovin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119184366#Comment_119184366

Since the bracelet is a family heirloom, I wonder if the bracelet was passed down through the bloodline and would unlock powers. When her mother saw the bracelet, she took it off Kamala and told her son to put in the attic so maybe her family were known to have powers and she doesn't want the same for Kamala.

Maybe the bracelet just unlocks a persons powers, kind of like in the comics, the Terrigen Mist would unlock an Inhuman's powers and is not the source of the powers.

pjcb

quite mitchell and machiney

fritzelly

I'm most definitely not the target audience but like all things superhero-ish and have to say whilst I expected to hate it I actually quite enjoyed it.

This seems more Stargirl territory which I wasn't sure if I would like but had enough charm to hook me

Unlike Naomi which I hated after about 10 mins as it was so so bad

Will definitely give it a few more episode

pjcb

6 eps not too much of an ask

Slydice

1: Enjoyed that! My first experience of Ms Marvel I think.

Jeez I was remembering Kate Bishop a bit but.. eh... Kamala feels like she's gonna need to come on a good bit more than Kate.

A good intro to the world though and much more feeling like an origin story.

Haven't a clue what the credits scene was all about bar the obviousness of it.. I'm guessing Ms Marvel universe related unless I missed some previously shown MCU.

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DODC eh? With a power level reader thingey..

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790797#Comment_118790797

Phew! Glad I wasn't imagining it!

I guess my only issue was the cosplay contest though.. It's a pity there was no Drax there..

unless he was moving very slowly 🤔😁

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119190314#Comment_119190314

Apparently the two agents in the mid credits were seen in Spider-man No Way Home but I don't remember them and actually presumed they were SWORD agents, which would lead into Monica Rambau turning up, leading into The Marvels movie.

Slydice

ah I see.. I watched Graces breakdown of Episode one and she mentioned the same..

The Department of Damage Control in "Spider-Man: Homecoming".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5lIduLcZho

What I'm thinking about then is Bruno

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He seems an awful lot into tech and there was that kinda Big Tech Corp vibe from his logo on the gloves

I was reminded of 90s animated Spiderman from the feel of it.. and I'd been thinking about how Bruno, Parker and Cap are in or adjacent to New York

Now this feels more of a tangible link to the Spiderman verse.

I'm wondering if Bruno is gonna go kinda corporationey... maybe like the Harry Osborne I remember or something.. I dunno.

gmisk

Very enjoyable first episode thought it was pretty true in tone to the comics. It definitely skews a bit younger than some of the other marvel shows.

I guess giving the flop of the inhumans tv show no shock they had to write them out of this.

Agent Coulson

Recreating Black Widow's death did make me smile.

This really is just good fun and you can tell the cast are having a blast mmaking this.

flazio

The energy in this show really is "cosmic"

It's interesting that they are just calling her power "hard light". Very reminiscent of Tandy Bowen, the Dagger of Cloak & Dagger. Although obviously Kamala's powers are a little safer.

gmisk

Episode 2 even better than 1. Immensely charming, well casted, looks really excellent and stylish for the most part, good music choices, all very in keeping with the comic, the storyline changes work fine for the most part.

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I do think the origin of her powers in the comic were better but I suppose they had little choice but to change them with how the inhumans show flopped.

The Kamran character also got his powers in the same way from what I remember...

Oh and a rather excellent getting used to your powers montage.

fritzelly

I'm liking this show

Could very easily have gone into cheesy/corny mode but they are treading that line perfectly and not whitewashing the characters origins which surprised me a little

Slydice

2: Good episode! Liking how this story is being introduced and explored. Might be that the character and surrounds are new and so it's feels a proper Origin story introduction.

I'm guessing her grandmother had the powers then. The full story of her to be explored still.

Not sure about Kamran and his mother. When he showed up first, I guessed he might be a DODC spy but then showing up like that at the end I was guessing he might be a baddie... but then his mother was there .. and now I'm not sure. Might be related to Kamalas family.

This bangle.. spotting words on it.. I wonder how old it is. Could it be recent and maybe Kree related or maybe way old and Eternals related or something different altogether. Could there be another dimension for this show something like Dormammu from Dr Strange 1.. I dunno.

For some reason I'm finding I prefer start of the episodes of the MCU tv shows that start with the proper Marvel intro logo/jingle thing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790797#Comment_118790797

Yep still glad I wasn't imagining the stretch powers in the trailer 😁

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119221682#Comment_119221682

For some reason I'm finding I prefer start of the episodes of the MCU tv shows that start with the proper Marvel intro logo/jingle thing

I like the odd mix up. Example the "School band" version of Star Spangled Man with a Plan in TFATWS, Eifel 65s Blue in Iron Man 3, and Blinding Lights on Episode 1 of this.

paulbok

I wonder are the bangles and the 20 rings 'related'?

Slydice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119222788#Comment_119222788

Yeah the others have had their moments too.

Varik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119221682#Comment_119221682

While it's not 100% based on the comics as the powers and origin differ for Kamala, Kamran has a comic version and while they could diverge as with everything it might not so there is a comic answer there so if you google his name you're getting a possible spoiler.

cena

I have found the first two very boring. I have fallen asleep trying to watch them

Slydice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119228580#Comment_119228580

Cool. I'll keep with the show for my introduction. It's doing fine so far.

Not sure why but it feels like it's been ages since a proper origin story... and it feels good!

gmisk

Episode 3 hugely enjoyable. It looks really fun and colourful. Changes from the comic but they work.

Brown Jovi lol.

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I think first villain she fought in the comic was the inventor? I suppose not easy to do a villain who is a giant bird...

One weakness for me is the Kamran character the actor isn't great...

Agent Coulson

Such a great fun show and the colours really do give it such a great fun brightness

CastorTroy

Kamala pulling the alarm had nothing to do with the imminent attack, she just wasn't a fan of Bon Jovi.

I enjoyed the wedding. Was a fun wee dance number. Quickest ceremony and reception ever?

Quick heel turn by the Clan Destines.

Wonder what powers she'll get if she gets the second bangle.

EoinMcLovin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236615#Comment_119236615

When they mentioned the two bangles I was half thinking, they were the nega bands as the arm they took from did look blue as in Kree which I was half thinking they were.

connemara man

I wonder will they tie in the 10 rings as that's the carving in the flashback, I think.

It's a great little show the younger actors especially very good.

Hopefully Marvel figure out how they're gonna use that gov agency, (are the sokovia accords in still post the blip?) Is generic powered hunter registration type their thing?

Long long term laying down the groundwork for mutants and sentinels in the future

Alfred Borden

Absolute garbage unfortunately.

Varik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238689#Comment_119238689

Those government guys aren't brand new they're the dept of damage control, they're the guys who kicked vulture off the job at the start of spider man and were moving all the alien stuff. At the time they were just dealing with containment of tech.

Post Sheild they seem to have expanded their scope from dangerous tech to general super powered weirdness now.

They're also the ones who went after Spider man when his identify was revealed.

They're supplied by Stark ind, and all those weapons they were using were stark tech. The drones where the ones mysterio used.

pjcb

Wasn't impressed with her friend offering food contracts she has no power over unilaterally to one vendor for the promise of a vote.

More happening in this show then Obi-wan it turnign out to be more mature then Obi-wan.

connemara man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119239884#Comment_119239884

Oh I know they're not new. Just feels how they're interacting with powered individuals is escalating. And will that go somewhere storywise at some point

Clegg

I've really enjoyed the first three episodes. I'm not it's target audience, but I really like all the production decisions made so far. The CGI illustrations of Kamala's plans were a nice touch. Brings a lot of pop and action what would be otherwise dull exposition.

I know some people won't enjoy the sub plot of Kamala's struggles as a 2nd generation immigrant child and the friction between her more traditional parents. But they frame the story in a good way and it builds to a massive song and dance number where again we see some really great choreography and on screen action.

To me, this seems like everyone on the production side really loves the character and are desperate to see if succeed, so they're throwing all the CGI and practical effects bells and whistles at it. But the characterisation of Kamala Khan and her family/friends is strong enough that they aren't shoved to the side by all the bombast.

It's so much better than the other recent release on Disney; Obi Wan Kenobi. That show, in comparison, feels like a cash grab where everything on the production side was given minimal effort. Directing and editing is poor and the action lacks all sense of urgency or momentum.

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119241704#Comment_119241704

I think it helps that Kamala is just so nice - dunno if that is just how the actor is or it's the character direction, but just comes across as so likeable (and I'm definitely not the target audience, remembering when Running Up That Hill came out....)

FunLover18

Just learnt today that the actor playing Bruno is the brother of Maddi Bosch.

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119241718#Comment_119241718

Yes, but you know the Disney rule regarding talking about that character. It's the new Fight Club rule.

Slydice

3: That was alright and even though it had an action moment, it still felt like a build up episode.

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The overall story is a bit chaotic though and it's throwing me a bit.

That the Jinn would be around soo long and tell her to relax, that'd they'd be cool to wait a small bit.. but then turn so fast... that was wierd.

The DODC seemed to have weapons to take them out so if a big showdown is coming up.. it's hard to imagine who it will be with.

I think the biggest thing storywise though had to be

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the arm that the bangle came from was blue.. so I assume Kree. Lends to a feeling that maybe there'll be a Captain Marvel cameo.. well that and all the Captain Marvel merch everywhere too. Some of the posters/art for her in this show are really cool.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790797#Comment_118790797

Stretch powers in three of three episodes now.. yeah.. she has stretch powers! 😁😂😁

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119222788#Comment_119222788

Definitely the logo/jingle at the start of this episode was one of the good ones. Felt real spy adventurey.

flazio

To rob the title of Slumdog Millionaire's main song, there's a certain "Jai Ho" about the series that is seriously addictive.

While talking about end credit songs, the one used over the most recent episode has a poignant story behind it. It's called "Song For Aisha" and it was written by Ishnaan Chaudhary under the artist name MEMBA in honour of his sister, Aisha Chaudhary, who was a well-known Indian author and motivational speaker. She battled Pulmonary Fibrosis throughout her teenage years but it claimed her life in 2015 at the age of 18.

The full song was used for the end credits of an Indian movie called "The Sky is Pink" (available on Netflix) which dramatised her parents point of view as she fought her illness.

https://youtu.be/bR8sE9ubyTI

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119250318#Comment_119250318

"Stretch powers in three of three episodes now.. yeah.. she has stretch powers!"

They're not stretch powers, where more akin to Green Lanterns powers, she is projecting crystal like fist but it isn't her fist.

Slydice

Ah shur look, say what you like but I'm gonna be stuck thinking the Stretching I'm seeing in scenes like this is... well.. stretching 😁😂🤣

Stretchy embiggen cosmic punch and arm swing, Ms Marvel Kamala Khan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT7hu3aisVY

Where did they get this word embiggen from?!? 😁

I assume it must be from the comics. It's in a few results for Ms Marvel.

Slydice

Oh! One thing about the latest episode I forgot because it was kinda in the middle...

During the wedding ceremony.. they say Takbir and Allahu Akbar three times.

Did anyone else think Kamala's voice sounded like it took on a deep Dublin accent on the last Allahu Akbar?

Edit: Clip here:

Kamala and People say Takbir "Allahu Akbar" when Aamir and his wife married | Ms Marvel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J89hOaL5Ro

CastorTroy

Yeah, embiggening is used in the comics. As Funlover says, this show's version would be more akin to the Green Lantern powers. Which makes me think maybe they should be taking notes for the mythical GL series.

Slydice

Well, I still see stretching when I look at it. Each to their own.

flazio

What's nice about the change is that both comic and non comic readers are in the same boat when it comes to predicting where the story is going to go. Throwing in the connection to the Mandarin in the recent episode means Carol Danvers might just be as in the dark about the bangles powers as she was about the Ten Rings, even if the tech is Kree.

Put down your guide book and enjoy the ride.

Agent Coulson

Well now is that ending showing another new power she might have that would be a twist I didn't see coming.

This really is so much fun I just really love the use of colours that are so bright and vibrant

Iman Vellani has such a great screen presence she just lights up the screen