Kevin Lunney abduction case: Special court judge delivers verdict - Read OP

Beasty

Once the verdicts are announced this thread will be opened

Original thread on the abduction here:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058016143/quinn-director-abducted-and-assaulted

Commentary can be made on the individuals who were standing trial, but do not introduce any allegations against others who have not been the subject of a successful conviction in relation to this abduction.

Beasty

40 year old defendant referred to as YZ found guilty

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/1107/1258482-lunney-abduction-trial/

Thread opened

ohnonotgmail

What was the reason for not naming the man found guilty? Are they in other ongoing trials?

Beasty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137055#Comment_118137055

I am not aware of any reasons being given and speculation over this is not permitted (as if the court has withheld that information it had reason to do so which it does not want the general public to know at this stage)

Beasty

2nd conviction

"The Special Criminal Court found 40-year-old Alan O'Brien of Shelmalier Road in East Wall in Dublin 3 guilty of both counts."

(from the updated link in the post above)

I'm trying to figure out why he was abducted and why the kidnappers wanted him and others to resign.

Can anyone shine any light on that?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137075#Comment_118137075

The reason was given back when they were arrested.

monty_python

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137783#Comment_118137783

And what was it,?

very unsatisfactory level of detail available yet but i suppose it will all be out in time

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137815#Comment_118137815

Google it or read the original thread. Not going to say in case it is deemed as speculation.

pjohnson

Its not the first time great lengths have been taken to protect a convicted criminals identity. Alas it happens in Ireland very often.

Still stihl waters 3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137904#Comment_118137904

Christ francie you'd make a great volunteer, you'd be a hard man to break

Still stihl waters 3

Is kevin lunny still with quinn holdings

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137971#Comment_118137971

Yes.

It is no longer QH's, it has been rebranded as Mannock.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137953#Comment_118137953

It's not been done to protect him I'd imagine.

Beasty

If it was intended to be the subject of ongoing discussion the reason for not naming would be published in news reports. It's not been so do not speculate or indeed quote from or link to any relevant posts elsewhere on the site (or else we would then need to delete that, if there is anything providing that info)

Any questions PM me - do not respond to this post in thread

Shao Kahn

I'm failing to see the point of a discussion, when you can't talk about the bloke most people assume was behind this attack?

These were just a couple of hired goons doing someone else's dirty work.

It's nice that they managed to nab them, but they're fairly small fish in the grand scheme of things.

Interesting when big business is involved, our courts seem to be very efficient at getting convictions. If it's some unfortunate nobody joe bloggs, good luck finding a court or judge that gives a sh!t.

Beasty

Just to confirm (and it is stated in the now updated link in post #2)

Luke O'Reilly, 68, acquitted

Alan O'Brien, 40, Darren Redmond, 27, and "YZ", 40, all guilty of falsely imprisoning and intentionally causing harm to Mr Lunney

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137992#Comment_118137992

Manic what a name

Markus Antonius

They said the reason for not naming YZ on RTE news this evening. It's not a very interesting reason.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118138313#Comment_118138313

what was the reason? if it was mentioned on the news there shouldn't be an issue posting it.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118138393#Comment_118138393

His involvement in a seperate court case.

celt262

I'm interested in finding out what information they got from Dublin Jimmy's technology or if it was used atall.

standardg60

Can only imagine hefty 15+ yr sentences here, planned insurrectionist crimes don't go down well here, not to mention the publicised aspect.

trashcan

What was done to Kevin Lunney was beyond barbaric. Long sentences definitely in order. Hopefully they can get whoever was behind it ((mentioning no names of course) but I won’t be holding my breath.

markodaly

I hope that these people will get long sentences.

I also hope some of those who live in the border communities and enabled these thugs to run amock by their silence and their deeply disturbing localism also hang their heads in shame. Too much of that carry-on went before this abduction.

The SCC doing its job once again.. detractors take note.

blanch152

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/drinking-pals-withdraw-claims-in-set-up-crash-34700279.html

Is this the same Alan O'Brien?

Tremendous news, and yet another crack into the silence that surrounds the murder of Paul Quinn. There's a small cohort who know everything that went on with both incidents. A shower of backward knackers.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118139409#Comment_118139409

Will be interesting to see if the alleged IRA/Republican involvement is true or not. I guess the Sunday papers will be digging deep. More to come from this id say.,

NIMAN

This is a strange case, with the constant news articles about the paymaster.

I'm not sure if I have taken the hints the wrong way or not.

Only time will tell I suppose.

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118143058#Comment_118143058

Definitely has to be at least one of them involved.

Rket4000

I see that Sean Quinn is saying that what happened to Kevin Lunney was terrible but that the directors of Mannock (formerly Quinn) have destroyed HIS companies.. All about Sean Quinn (as he refers to himself) as usual.

Rket4000

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sean-quinn-condemns-kevin-lunney-attack-as-barbaric-but-vents-anger-over-harm-done-to-him-41034095.html

Here's the article

batman75

Sean Quinn took an unnecessary gamble and undid a lifetime of building up an empire. He is a hero, to some in the Cavan/Fermanagh area and it has to be acknowledged that he created huge employment in the area. However he alone is responsible for having to relinquish his empire and if he took ownership of that then I think people would have more regard for him.

The attack on Kevin Lunney was barbaric and sick. Delighted that there have been convictions but believe the conductor/paymaster of this attack has not been brought to justice.

markodaly

Lets be honest here, there is a strong populist narrative in many parts of the country that will have a sneaky regard for locals putting it up to 'dem foreigners' or 'dem guys from Dublin'.. this crime is the ultimate culmination of letting this narrative go unchallenged for so long.

Sean Quinn is a perfect example of this. The local lad did well, but gambled big and lost, yet he blames others for his mistake and the locals lap it up like goons.

This stuff is especially prevalent in border counties where locals turn a blind eye to criminals and smugglers many of them mixed up with 'Good Republicans'. Its just an Irish form of the Mafia.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144185#Comment_118144185

'Some' hold him in high regard, some don't. You'll get as many arguments locally about Quinn as you get elsewhere.

Contrary to the bullshit and bulldust and the picturee the media love to paint of a lawless border region and the lies they tell about 'de locals', Mannock is thriving locally, it products are used locally and many many people (de locals) are working happily there. Same at Liberty (formerly Quinn Direct) and Quinn's other companies.

Kevin Lunney and his management team are locals and were brutally attacked by 'criminals' no different to criminals that are operating all over this country.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144252#Comment_118144252

Border counties appear to have a Mafia mindset where many locals turn a blind eye to outright lawlessness. Lots of data on this to prove it is so.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144669#Comment_118144669

'Appear'.

Dublin 'appears' to be a criminal gang wasteland if you listened to certain media outlets. Used to be Limerick.

'Appearances' Mark - nail hit on the head there. If there is a spike in criminal activity along the border it will show in stats, maybe you can show us that in data form.

And a newspaper article sensationalising is not the kind of data being asked for.

The border region has crime problems like everywhere else.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144669#Comment_118144669

Mark would you ever stop with your aging Dublin 4 supremacist spiel about about backward natives and the superior dub. Most gang based criminality is based in Dublin.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144687#Comment_118144687

You are 10 times more likely to die in a car accident in Cavan than Wicklow. Speed and drink are usually always the culprits.

The criminal issues, in this case, is another example of this mentality.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144774#Comment_118144774

Please present the data that proves this bizarre connection.

J.O. Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144774#Comment_118144774

Speed and drink are the main causes of road traffic accidents nationally regardless of where you are unless Wicklow is full of elderly pioneers.

Are you sure there isn't other factors such as roads and population size which contribute to the statistic of 10 times more likely.

By that I mean is there 10 times more people killed per capita or 10 times the number of road deaths.

I can't say for sure but I think a greater percentage of the population in Wicklow would have good roads around them given north Wicklow is almost the greater Dublin area.

Wombatman

“The one question that remains to be answered is the identity of the person who paid them to abduct and torture Kevin.”

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/now-unmask-mystery-abduction-and-torture-paymaster-urges-kevin-lunney-colleague-as-gardai-focus-on-finding-brutal-campaigns-funder-41032556.html

Now who could that be I wonder?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118145122#Comment_118145122

That's the Q uestion that remains to be answered.

Ash.J.Williams

Is there a possibility that historically “protection” money was paid for years before the company take over ?

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144774#Comment_118144774

the road death statistics say otherwise. As I am currently in work avoidance mode I took the road death and accident stats from the CSO for 2018 and calculated them by 1000 population. Cavan is not top. the figures below are sorted by death/1000 desc. interestingly there isn't a wide variance in accidents/1000 but there is with deaths/1000.

Fattybojangles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118140308#Comment_118140308

There was no republican involvement whatsoever no matter how much you and your ilk would like there to be look at the people convicted ffs all Dubs hired by another Dub hired by the paymaster

Fattybojangles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118139409#Comment_118139409

Nonsense totally seperate incidents with no connection whatsoever.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144252#Comment_118144252

Let us see what comes out about these criminals and how different they are (or not) to the criminals that are operating all over this country. I would surmise that they may have a different background.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118145488#Comment_118145488

We know their background blanch. Same as the background of any other criminal...the pursuit of personal gain at the expense of others.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118145544#Comment_118145544

We will see, there is more to come out.