just noticed a lot of these articles in the British media over the last few weeks https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10118013/Nightclub-spiking-victims-ordeal-left-semi-paralysed-highlights-risks-women-facing.html
While i believe "spiking" does occasionally happen, I wonder how many of these stories are people who voluntarily ingested substances but do not recall ingesting them because they were intoxicated
They asked for a source and got one. Why would would the Gardai refuse to say if they had a report or not? Simple fact is this type of crime in very rare, and as usual, has been over blown due to social media. There was poster saying this happens every Saturday night which was shown to be demonstrably false.
Yeah but that was done in medical professional setting, no? Was it well lit? Did the professional administering the jab take some time to identify the area where they were going to administer the shot? I'm sure they did. Not the same in a dark nightclub trying to clandestinely place the shot, without anybody else seeing this going on to go with it.
No doubt the setting was just like a nightclub at 1am with music blaring and all the trimmings...but seriously I too didnt even feel my Covid 1st jab..I actually asked myself had it been adminstered but there is just too much BS surrounding all this.
I had my flu jab last week and I didn't even notice it going in. It took less than 2 seconds to be administered.
Spiking with syringes in nightclubs? You need a good minute to inject any drug into a bloodstream area, plus steady light to find it, plus a stable body part to inject it in. Someone on a strobe-lit dancefloor prancing about to pop tunes is definitely going to notice this is happening, even if they are on 20 jagerbombs. If this was actually happening there would be arrests, multiple witnesses and hard evidence gathered immediately at the crime-scene.
It's like the amount of accused/defendants who have "no fixed abode". I always found that curious but it was revealed to me that is just down to shield the family of the defendant especially if he is the type of lad that might have a few heads looking for him.
Of course they have a home but it is purposively withheld.
Ah here now, you can't accuse one person of making things up and then turn around and use Gript as a source. They're worse than liars.
It's very common for Gardai to say, "We have no reports of X", because they're not obliged to reveal anything to journalists or discuss ongoing investigations. In fact, it's a common method of discrediting someone; to ask Gardai if anything has been reported to them, knowing they'll say "No".
In terms of the libel/defamation piece, I think ye are overthinking it. People will often not name the premises in a case like this because they have it in their head that they'll get sued if they do.
Other internet randomers saying, "Tell us the name, it'll be grand" is hardly going to fill them with confidence.
That would be about right. It is over 20 years since I last studied it.
You are a decade or so out of date.
From an actual lawyer; https://www.lawyer.ie/defamation/defamation-act-2009/
"The distinction between libel and slander is now abolished. A statutory “tort of defamation” (which incorporates both libel and slander) has been created."
And here's an example of the kind of nuance around 'truth as a defence' that you seem to have missed in your media law course. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/denis-obrien-barred-from-using-truth-or-honest-opinion-defence-in-defamation-case-gk0s8fbnz?t=ie
"“I am entirely satisfied that all six of the pleaded [defence] meanings arise from separate and distinct allegations in the impugned publication about which the plaintiff does not complain,” Heslin ruled while striking out the truth defence sought to be used by both O’Brien and Morrissey."
I believe slander is the verbal form of defamation and libel is the written form but happy to be corrected.
I've said this before but no medical evidence or hospital admission or even a GP visit to back any of this rubbish up but yet 'they' are running off to the tabloids and social media.
Multiple drugs...honestly...I almost feel like setting up a Twitter account just to go after this tripe.
Maybe she felt a bit intimidated by idiots making jokes about assaulting women?
Some ratio there.
I want a reliable source. Not Grift. A reliable source.
You might want to think about how the Garda Press Office could speak definitively on Tuesday lunchtime about what had or hadn't happened in hundreds of police stations around the country over the weekend.
Agreed, as someone who studied Media Law- slander and defamation do exist in law in Ireland.
However, naming the bar in question would be no more libelous than me saying the perpetrator was wearing a certain brand of clothing (and the brand calling it libel).
Its not really more nuanced. Truth is an absolute defence to defamation/slander/libel.
Not that I particularly think naming the place it happened would even count as defamation in the first place.
Quotes from the Garda Press Office aren't reliable? What more do you want, Drew Harris to knock into you and personally give you the news. You were caught out with a fake Twitter fairytale that has now been exposed. Own it.
hurr durr twitter post is 100% truff ! !!!!! !!!!!!
but the accredited, acclaimed, prize-winning, decades long writing authors that run Gript? NAW THEY'RE NOT RELIABLE AT ALL LADS.
all kids and young 20 somethings seem to just be hysterical by nature now, theres been posts on here already from women admitting that in their case when they got plastered they blamed it on somebody spiking them (men catching the blame for nothing mind you) just to save face yet now that fairly typical white lie which would let everyone forget a persons drunken antics is now giving these spastics a platform to cry wolf from.... and people like you are enabling it.
cafflingwunts the lot of yis ! !!! !!
Perhaps I should have been clearer.
Reliable source please?
We don't have slander or libel in Ireland. We have defamation.
And it is a bit more nuanced than you suggest.
After asking about the Gardai statement, I got no reply from "Zoe" but she has now removed her injection pic and fairytale from twitter. Coincidence??
https://gript.ie/gardai-say-no-reports-of-women-being-spiked-with-syringes-have-been-made/
As said above, the truth is neither slanderous nor libelous.
Have a read of that line again about the bouncers, and have a little think about culpability.
There's also the fact that it would be utterly pointless in naming the bar. It's not like any attacker would be restricted to one particular bar.
Source please?
Gardai have confirmed that they have had 0 reports of anyone being spiked, by needle, or otherwise over the weekend.
That's perfectly plausible too tbh. "Kicked out alone" might be overegging it a bit, but the bouncers are there to protect the club. You'd hope that if someone went up to a bouncer and said they were feeling sick, the bouncer might get them a seat and call a taxi.
But you can see how there would be so many pitfalls from such an approach. So the process becomes, "If someone says they feel sick, you get them out the door and tell them to go home". Not in the club, not the club's problem. "If you're not feeling well, I'm going to have to ask you to leave". That sounds like a perfectly plausible interaction, which from the point of view of the tweeter becomes, "I got kicked out alone".
She also claims to have “just” gotten unconscious. No explanation in which order these events happened. The whole thing doesn’t make sense.
Exactly. She also claimed that she and her friends sat at the bar as they were worried about being spiked. If I was at the bar and felt woozy, I'd ask the barman if he'd used a stronger shot etc, or sent a friend to get a bouncer, I wouldn't head off alone and get thrown out alone. She surely had a jacket and handbag with her, at the very least.
I would be agreeing with ChoclateIce about how scratches could occur.Some blottos might not remember the doorway,hedge,ditch etc
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