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Tax relief if working from home. Discuss.

  • 15-10-2021 7:09pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Andrea B.


    For the majority, from what i can see, working from home means;

    -childcare savings.

    -meal cost savings.

    -commute time savings.

    - commute cost (fares, fuel, vehicle wear and tear) savings.

    -lets face it; not being directly supervised, so some autonomy and quality of life (walk the dog/swim/coffee on the prom..).

    I do not buy the perceived extra energy usage cost weighed against above. Keeping a nice ambient can sometimes equal the cost of ramping to heat a complete structure.

    I have not met one individual who has claimed that it has been financially disadvantageous to work from home.

    And they now give a tax relief?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 704 ✭✭✭ Vestiapx


    people were told to work from home, this is their reward.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Andrea B.


    I don't know of any that required their being asked twice.

    There are many of their colleagues who could not work from home as the boilers required stoking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭ Flinty997


    I thought we want more people to work from home no?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Andrea B.


    True, but is it really tax relief they are looking for, or actually need, weighed against existing benefits i outlined?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭ Allinall


    If you incur a cost which is necessary to do your job, then it’s tax deductible.

    It’s always been like that.

    This is nothing new.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Andrea B.


    Can you read my post in full and consider the actual savings, for many, of wfh?

    Leaving aside quality of life benefits?

    Maybe it is those who travel to work and incur the costs (relative to those who wfh) should reap the relief?

    By your argument, if i have a crash on way to work, my employer/state should cover my losses, as i was not given option of wfh, whereby i would not then have been exposed to the risk?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Andrea B.


    True. Everyone's situation different. My argument being, from my experience, the majority are saving financially from wfh.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,216 ✭✭✭ An Ri rua


    "By your argument, if i have a crash on way to work, my employer/state should cover my losses, as i was not given option of wfh, whereby i would not then have been exposed to the risk?"


    If you have a crash on your way to

    work, and suffer personal injury, there is a social welfare payment for that coded for in public payrolls at least. Can't recall it but, yes, when journeying to or from work, directly in a single journey, you are your employer's concern.


    Edit: Injury Benefit

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dfb66f-operational-guidelines-injury-benefit/#accidents-while-travelling-to-or-from-work


    As a footnote, yes, it could get quite interesting regarding financial damages as a result of a crash on the way to work if that employee was granted Injury Benefit and had also previously made a claim for WFH and been denied it. Maybe even had a WRC in progress. Could see that evolving casuisticly into a decent possibility.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Andrea B.


    Again, my argument is that wfh financially and from a quality of life perspective, suits the majority (key word), of those who are wfh.

    So why give further tax incentive?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Andrea B.


    Thanks. Something i never knew wrt travelling to your permanent place of work, so a bad example from me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Andrea B.


    I would disagree with "plenty" but agree with "some", based on your feedback, but outside of you, never having known of one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭ Sand


    I think it has already been explained - if you incur a cost to do your job, it is tax deductible. People are taxed the same regardless of the benefits their employer offers in working hours. WFH might have quality of life benefits, but since when has quality of life outside working hours been considered a taxable benefit in kind?

    If you want to get down into the nitty gritty, Ireland is trying to achieve reduced carbon emissions. If people can work from home and by doing so not congest motorways or increase emissions by travelling unnecessarily, then there is a rationale for a tax incentive. However, that is not what is happening - people are just being given the same right to deduct work related expenses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭ Allinall


    It’s not an incentive. It’s no more than anyone is entitled to, and always has been.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Andrea B.


    So let me be transparent regarding my own situation when it kiced in.

    All members of my team were given option of wfh when covid kicked in.

    For obvious reasons, those with young children ( and some without) availed of it.

    I and some others assisted business needs by staying on site to ensure gaps were filled and worked hard in doing so. No issue here, my kids older and happy to ensure business continuity, while allowing those with personal challenges to know that.

    On one aspect alone, that being fuel, I calculate that some of my colleagues saved approx €3k on fuel alone. Leave aside childcare/afterschool.

    Bitter pill seeing my tax payments being now rebated to them without their savings being reconciled against claims.

    No issue with anything until i hear of colleagues now discussing these tax benefits they will be claiming.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Andrea B.


    Totally agreeing with your right to claim against those losses, when reconciled against gains, in your specific situation.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,260 ✭✭✭✭ kippy


    And what about the benefits that those who have to attend the 'workplace' will have if those that don't need to attend the 'workplace' don't and work from home?

    Less traffic, commute times reduced, better air quality, increased access to parking and perhaps more depending on the specific situation.

    I'm WFH most of the past 18 months and while there were some savings on childcare initially (as they weren't open) that has gone now.

    That said I work in a place with free parking, relatively cheap canteen and a relatively short commute at a time of the morning with lesser traffic. So yes everyone is different. Some people withe big commutes are saving a lot of time and expense and perhaps expense with meals out etc but at the same time I do think those that WFH should get some support to enable them WFH as it really is better for most people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Andrea B.


    Our industrial estate carpark is at 50% occupancy compared to pre-covid.

    The Galway city traffic is as bad as any pre-covid. Weekends included.

    All out driving and spending their wfh covid savings. IMO.

    Including the drive of kids to school, instead of bus, as again, it is a quality time advantage of wfh, which i would avail of if clocks were back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,260 ✭✭✭✭ kippy


    Again, that would very much depends on you individual circumstances. Had to be in the office for 8 this morning, was in in 15 minutes, would normally take 25 to 30 pre covid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Andrea B.


    Read my post. Last line. I stated that i have and the reasons why.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Andrea B.


    And i experience same for an 8 start, but not for a 9 start, which i assume Is school run related vs children taking bus, due to a parent having flexibility of wfh ( i have done during my wfh days, albeit with grumpy teenagers, but every grunt is a bond imo).



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭ dotsman


    Guys, in the grand scheme of things, the wfh tax allowance is just a mindless political gesture. It's worth sweet f.a., but allows the TDs think they will get votes for it as we rack up a quarter of a trillion euro in debt.


    For those who say they had/have to spend money to wfh, the difference to your bills will likely be insignificant. For those who spent money doing up a home office (and I say this as someone who spent 2K on furniture and décor converting a spare bedroom to an office) - that was your choice, likely small in the grand scheme of things and a once off. If you think we deserve tax breaks for wfh, then you also have to argue that we deserve tax breaks for buying cars, petrol, lunches, coffee, suits etc when we work in the office.



  • Registered Users Posts: 704 ✭✭✭ Vestiapx


    To be clear I worked every day in my place of work ' stoking the boilers' but I recognise the people that turned their homes into offices .



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Andrea B.


    And i, but i argue, that for most, the financial savings outweighed or equalled the costs and any claim for compensation for cost should be reconciled against saving.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭ riclad


    There's extra heating costs, energy costs, for people at home all day long. not everyone has a large spare room to make a hi tech home office with room for a desk , monitor. If you are using zoom you might need extra lights a camera and audio equipment. Also it reduces rush hour traffic , oil and petrol use , air pollution , I think working from home is the future, it might be many people will go to an office 1 or 2 days a week

    If workers get a tax credit I see no problem with that also it reduces rush hour traffic jams everyone tends to go to work between 7 am to 9 am. It may make it easier for some mothers to work from home and also take care of children

    Many company's have discovered most work can be done from home



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