Why do teachers dispute the two-tier pay scale?

Geuze

Wages are not going to be cut, that suggestion is completely unrealistic.

Jeremy Sproket

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117986076#Comment_117986076

They should be.

For all, both new and old. A cut of at least €10,000 per anum should be made to all tiers.

The current rate of €37,000 up to €70,000 is exorbitant. It should be €27,000 to €50,000.

Sierra Oscar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117986083#Comment_117986083

Well they won't be. With wage increases running at over 5% in the private sector in 2021, substantial wage increases for State employees is on the card from next year. That's the reality of things. Private sector wage increases are currently two times those of the public sector according to the CSO. Unions accepted much reduced pay increases during the onset of the pandemic in the belief that wage deflation would set in across the labour market, whereas the exact opposite has occurred.

You can't compare wage growth between public and private sectors like that.

Increments are not a thing in the private sector but where they are, it's included in that 5%.

But increments are available in the public sector but are never included as part of wage growth. So the 1.5% public sector increase is actually more for the majority when increments are included.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117986083#Comment_117986083

That suggestion is so unrealistic as to be not worthy of debate.

The PS pay deal, called Building Momentum, to replace the PSSA will deliver the following pay increases.

It runs from 01.01.2021 to 31.12.2022

Oct 2021 = 1% or 500 euro pa

Feb 2022 = the equivalent of a 1% increase in annualised basic salaries through a ‘sectoral bargaining fund’ (see below).

Oct 2022 = 1% or 500 euro pa

https://www.forsa.ie/building-momentum-a-new-public-sector-agreement-faqs/

You will note that 2% or 3% over two years is below inflation, and below wage growth outside the PS.

Did you not see the comment I just made. It is not 2‰ or 3‰, it is more when you include two years of increments as well.

Still lower than growth outside the PS granted, but please don't throw around tiny single digit percentages as if that's all they are getting.

Geuze

Yes, many PS will get an increment, yes.

But of course, many PS are at the top of their scale, so no increments for them.

byhookorbycrook

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117977124#Comment_117977124

How do you choose to measure ability? Exactly , please, not some vague suggestion? How do you plan to test things like PE, SPHE? Drama?Music? Or do you just plan to test the 3 Rs And if a child hasn't been at school for over half the year, is that the fault of the teacher? What about the child who has suffered a traumatic event during the year or the one who is a nervous tester?

byhookorbycrook

To those who think that a car park being full is a measure of after-hours work by teachers don't seem to realize that we usually choose to bring our work home, for various reasons. I do all my notes online, so can access them from anywhere.

The heating budget means heat is only on for a small portion of the day , when it does go on and certainly not after hours. At present, with windows open, the rooms are already cold.

In certain cases,it has happened that some parents , knowing the teacher is on site, don't collect their children on time, meaning the teacher is, in effect, child care and can't get on with their own work. My record was having to remain with a child two hours after a match (already played out of school hours)because the parent was shopping in Dublin. The parent pulled up down from the school gate , beeped the horn and shouted at the child to run down to them, to avoid talking to me.)

Security may be an issue in the evenings.

Teachers have their own families and choose to go home to look after them , then do their school work later in the evening.

byhookorbycrook

Pension wise, I have been paying into mine since I was 20. I haven't had a choice.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117994651#Comment_117994651

You don't have a choice in the type of pension you get either. You know the type, the type private sector workers don't get to choose.

byhookorbycrook

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117995864#Comment_117995864

And yet, many private sector people refuse to start a pension, citing that they can’t afford it !

I didn’t have any choice and literally ( in the proper meaning of the word ) had to live on beans on toast in a crappy “ flat “ in a dreadful midlands town for a number of years while private sector friends enjoyed a far greater standard of living AND saved towards mortgages..

Don’t tell me about how I’m getting a “ gold plated “ pension , as if it’s totally paid from the public purse and my sacrifices from more than 40 years .Let’s ensure everyone has to pay into their pension from day 1.

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