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  • 21-09-2021 11:26am
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    Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭ BSA International


    From link to proposed new criminal justice Bill......



    "Head 6 Amendment of section 5 (an exemption for keeping of small quantities of low hazard explosives) of the Explosive Act 1875"


    Will the biggest barrier to reloading at home be removed?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 775 ✭✭✭ otmmyboy2


    Also potentially muzzle loading long guns.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    That does look promising. I'm only reading through it now but UN No. 0014 is the label on most smokeless propellants such a Vit, Hodgdon, Relaoder, etc.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    Black powder, iirc, is 13 so may not be included. Fingers crossed something good comes from this.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    Started to skip through the rest of it and its mostly amendments/additions to criminal offences, sentences, etc. So not firearm related, well not as its related to us.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Not.A. Hope! Because it will fall under the stores for explosives order 2007.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2007/si/804/made/en/print

    Which is basically covering the "manufacture of ammunition" on a commercial basis,and I doubt they will review this for us to reload on a small scale🙁

    I looked at the feasibility of following this act as an individual once to see if you could do it as a private person,and the answer is ,unless you have the Euro millions in your back pocket...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭ BSA International


    The 1875 legislation was the biggest stumbling block and FG promised years ago to sort that.


    This will mean our powder will be seen as a propellant and not as an explosive which reduces the requirements for storage. It MAY be good news, finally.



  • Registered Users Posts: 511 ✭✭✭ solarwinds


    On a side note and off topic. I see FSI will be allowed to have and use a short firearm for the purposes of humane dispatch. It also said if I read correctly that this can include C/F pistols. Would these not need to be licensed and if so would these then be classed as new licences or is there an exemption that these guys are allowed use. Now it does specifically say FSI.



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭ BSA International


    I think it states in legislation proposal they'd be exempt from requirement to have a licence like gardai and army on duty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    FSI is basically the Garda ballistics /forensics dept with a new lick of paint and name and civilian staff.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Sorry to be a downer here folks,but you need to read this act which covers the storage requirements and amounts and locations and all the rest.http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2007/si/804/made/en/print

    This proposed act is just tinkering with UN legislative bulloney that well-meaning and naive think will stop terrorists and whatnot acquiring firearms and explosives but only makes our lives more difficult. If they are talking about in the legislation allowing for storage or sale of party poppers...Do ya really think they will loosen the legislation to allow us access to BP or nitro powders?

    This is just another horrible "tacked on"bit of legislation that should be dealt with under the firearms acts,not a "criminal justice bill".

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  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭ BSA International


    So this is to cover them in the course of their duties if they have to have prohibited firearms in their possession.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭ Munsterlad102


    Just a thought, but the definition of ammunition under the 1925 act is

    the word “ammunition” (except where used in relation to a prohibited weapon) means ammunition for a firearm but also includes grenades, bombs, and other similar missiles whether the same are or are not capable of being used with a firearm, and also includes any ingredient or component part of any such ammunition or missile;

    So if we are potentially allowed to store small amounts of powder this may negate the whole manufacturing thing as you would technically not be producing ammunition as every element of a round is classed as ammunition, ie the powder, primers etc are each ammunition so you're just assembling it. Bit shaky maybe but just a thought.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Where it gets you is when you initiate the process of assembling these components into a round. I'm sure there is some legal twist that will hit you, whether you are making 5 special rounds for deer season or going to run off 50k worth for,a rather expensive clay match.

    It's a ludicrous situation that could be remedied by simply allowing you to have the same amount of powder, primers etc as your ammo amount. But after reading with all that UN bullcrap they are hanging onto owning a packet of sparklers,it would be more expensive, and more paperwork for zero net effect benefits to you.

    Meantime, those that can will still be hopping across the border to get their powder and primers, and the crims will still be buying bangers and illegal fireworks in the UK or NI, contrary to any Irish legislation or UN mandates.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    I'll admit, its a big stretch and going on the example cited in the bill it seems more liekly the are trying to "tie off" a loophole that would cirminalise those who keep items deemed "explosives" in their shops, etc. but it may have unintended, perhaps even beneficial, consequences for us.


    One ot watch for sure.

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