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Import a motorcycle from EU

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    #242
    Breezin
    Registered Users Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Breezin


    Bump! Great advice here, but I have a question... asking in hope more than anything else.


    It's been said that if you get the bike up to 6,000km on the date of presenting for registration, then that value is taken for VRT. Doest that imply that it also gets you off the hook for the VAT? #wishfulthinking



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    #243
    Bluefoam
    Registered Users Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120800539#Comment_120800539

    No



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    #244
    dontmindme
    Registered Users Posts: 752 ✭✭✭dontmindme


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120800539#Comment_120800539

    EU imports yes, ex_EU (UK) no.



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    #245
    Breezin
    Registered Users Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Breezin


    NI?



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    #246
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,494 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    VRT on bikes has nothing to do with the value of the bike, just cc and age.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #247
    Breezin
    Registered Users Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Breezin


    OK, so if you can take it up to 6,000 km on the day of registration, there's no VAT? Even if the invoice shows a lower figure? Sorry if I'm being a bit dense here...



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    #248
    Breezin
    Registered Users Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Breezin


    Answering my own question: it's 'when entering the state', (https://www.revenue.ie/en/vrt/calculating-vrt/vat-customs-duty.aspx).

    Which presumably is NOT the same as when registering, but at the same time Revenue say it is 'payable with the VRT'. So confusing


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    VAT may also be due on the acquisition of a new means of transport from another Member State. If you are not entitled to a VAT deduction, this VAT is normally payable with the VRT.

    When entering the State, a vehicle is a new means of transport for VAT if either of the below applies:

    • it is less than six months after its first registration
    • or
    • it has travelled 6,000 kilometres or less

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    #249
    whoami1
    Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭whoami1


    Is Jarvis Transport still the best one to go for if I can't ride it back myself from Germany? I haven't bought anything yet, but am looking at a couple in different dealers.



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    #250
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,766 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120804472#Comment_120804472

    I've used them and found them good.

    Ted's Trucking has now shifted to EU shipping of bikes now too.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #251
    Hocus Focus
    Registered Users Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Hocus Focus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119092741#Comment_119092741

    I recently imported a bike from N.I. and the cert I got from the VRT office at the NCT centre had filled the CO2 and NOX boxes both as 999



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    #252
    myclist
    Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭myclist


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120817609#Comment_120817609

    The literal definition of a box ticking exercise...... Did they put the power output at 55555?



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    #253
    One Who Waits...
    Registered Users Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭One Who Waits...


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120804472#Comment_120804472

    Any particular German (or other EU) dealers that are recommended? Been after a clean, low mileage Gen 2 MT09 for some time but prices, and mileage, here seem a bit too high.



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    #254
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,857 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    How do folks find dealing with German or Netherlands dealers relation to offers. I.e money off, haggling. Interested in Used GS but not too sure what should be offering really. E.g bike is 16,990 what would one ask bargaining wise without being construed as rude/off the wall.



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    #255
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,766 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120892000#Comment_120892000


    Generally you can small haggle, but not by as much as the % we do here :)

    If the price is (on balance) reasonable - they tend to advertise them for what they'd actually want for them - I'd have no problem pitching under the asking price by a bit. I think I got €500 of a €30k bike.

    Historically, dealing with BMW dealers getting a couple of hundred off was a Big Deal.

    I do think NL-ers are more haggle-able than the Germans.

    [Edit: sis-in-law NL, has told me 10% is a fair pitch under the asking in NL]

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    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #256
    CONNOLL
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭CONNOLL


    Morning! Has anyone here used Jartka Trans for importing a bike. If so was is a good experience? Thanks



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    #257
    Bluefoam
    Registered Users Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    I used Jarvis and they were great!



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    #258
    Raj.ynwa
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭Raj.ynwa


    Hi,


    anyone bought a bike from Germany or mainland Europe from a private seller and had it shipped using likes of Jarvis etc, How did ye pay for the bike? Online transaction on the day of collection?

    thanks.



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    #259
    Frank60
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Frank60


    Hi

    Great discussion here and very helpful for someone. like me, thinking of importing from Europe 👍

    Question:

    Do the VRT look for proof of transport like ferry ticket from Cherbourg to Rosslare etc. If you shipped from, say NL , via UK to Ireland, would they look for both ferry tickets? Has anyone taken that route via UK?

    Many thanks



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    #260
    sirmixalot
    Registered Users Posts: 282 ✭✭sirmixalot


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120989121#Comment_120989121

    Yep, well just to prove how it entered the country.



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    #261
    Bluefoam
    Registered Users Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120959088#Comment_120959088

    Revolut... paid deposit in advance, the rest on the day of collection.



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    #262
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,766 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120989121#Comment_120989121

    yes, you'll need to provide proof of ferry etc : they take a copy of it.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #263
    Bluefoam
    Registered Users Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    If you use someone like Jarvis, they'll give you proof of the ferry...



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    #264
    Cienciano
    Registered Users Posts: 14,262 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120989121#Comment_120989121

    The ticket is actually very important because that's the date of entry. So vrt is calculated from that date.



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    #265
    Frank60
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Frank60


    Thanks all.

    I guess the reason for the ticket question is that I intend to buy in NL, ship but not import to UK, get some engine work done by a tried and trusted shop in UK, then ship to Ireland after maybe 1 to 2 months ,depending on level of work required, then register/VRT in Ireland. Assuming I can get it into UK without importing it, will Irish VRT/Customs process it as an EU bike (bike is registered in NL and is 45 years old) even though the ferry date from NL to UK could be two months old. Does it matter when the bike left NL, will they still process it as an EU bike on entry to Ireland attracting no VAT/VRT because of age/mileage etc? Hope this makes some sense 🤔



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    #266
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,766 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120993111#Comment_120993111


    Just show the UK-RoI boarding pass - that's all that matters. I had mine paid for long before I collected mine, so my buy date and shipping date didn't match anyway, so it's moot.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #267
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,857 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120993111#Comment_120993111

    Sounds alot of effort. Why not bring here VRT it then drop to UK shop at your leisure.. saves all the customs Work which will not be as handy as you may believe into the UK then onwards here.



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    #268
    Frank60
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Frank60


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120995291#Comment_120995291

    You're absolutely right, I wasn't thinking clearly. I have brought a couple of Jap 4x4 into Ireland via UK, pre Brexit, there was a huge VAT saving (5% vs 23%), even then it was tricky enough. Thank you 👍



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    #269
    di11on
    Registered Users Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭di11on


    I live in France and the best place to look for bikes here, even from professional sellers is leboncoin.fr (the link to motorcycle category is: https://www.leboncoin.fr/recherche?category=3) (it's the French equivalent of donedeal or buyandsell but as I say, professional sellers list there also systematically)



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    #270
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,857 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Hey just wanted to confirm. A NI reg bike new in 2019 isn't VAT applicable just VRT , that's correct right ?



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    #271
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,766 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121086582#Comment_121086582

    correct, so long at it's over 6k kms.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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