Boosters

floorpie · 31-08-2021 06:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117829427#Comment_117829427

Do you expect somebody else to do Pfizer's testing for them or something? Who else is going to have that trial data?

No, but Pfizer can release the data and paper as a pre-print, same way Moderna did.

Here's a study from the Israeli's on live booster shot (Pfizer) data which they already have being doing for a number of weeks - would they have altered it or something also?

This is the type of garbage that I'm talking about that comes from companies. Notice:

1) the abstract says that the booster reduces transmission, but the paper never assesses transmission, and in fact purposely doesn't by only basing rates of infection on elective PCR

2) it does not assess safety (when they very easily could have) but instead refer to previous safety data

3) the study period is 12 days

4) they say that rates of infection, and severe infection, were increasing exponentially during the study period of just 12 days

5) look at the error bars in figure S5 for efficacy during the tiny study period

Nobody should be taking any sort of medication on the basis of advertisements and hidden data, gathered using purposely poor methodologies

listermint · 31-08-2021 06:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117829246#Comment_117829246

On the flip side there's plenty would argue ending up there on no vacination and never coming out. There's multitude of 'wish I had' stories.

Hope she was ok and continues to be so.

31-08-2021 06:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117829568#Comment_117829568

over 1 million people in Israel have received the booster dose

do you honestly think that they are not monitoring safety as a matter of course in Israel?

they have a sophisticated IT system in their health service for tracking individual patient records

seriously adverse reactions would have become apparent in this timeframe - yes 12 days. if you are going to drop dead of a brain clot it has happened in a short timeframe

I'd trust Israel's confidence in the booster program and safety and 1 million people there having already received it over an individual on the internet with no evidence to the contrary, fluting on about error bars.

maestroamado · 31-08-2021 07:11PM

this is related and i am sorry if it was asked before.

My second jab was July 1st and a week later i got Covid cert. I think i was told somewhere that the cert only valid for 6 Months after 2nd jab. Does anyone know if this is correct? or what the story within the EU is going forward. My decision will be based on this.

I would not have taken the vaccine except for travel but i think i may have been wrong. I have a friend who is head-nurse in an ICU ward and they told me a few weeks ago that they had a patient around 60 who was a Covid patient and refused the vaccine... They were not impressed....

floorpie · 31-08-2021 07:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117829663#Comment_117829663

1 million people there having already received it over an individual on the internet with no evidence to the contrary

Trust what you like. But you (Israel) say a booster is safe and effective, the onus is on you (Israel) to prove it. This paper that you refer to is THE study that aims to prove it and it doesn't. There isn't some other secret paper/data re: the study of 1 million in Israel, that paper is it, and it's garbage. Until a booster has undergone even basic assessments, anybody saying they're ready to get one needs their head checked.

with no evidence to the contrary,

My evidence is the paper you posted (from the article: files_publications_corona_booster-27082021.pdf (www.gov.il))

31-08-2021 07:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117829766#Comment_117829766

good to know internet man

I'm going with the Israeli Health Ministry on this

I've a feeling that they have their finger on the pulse of this much more than you do for 1 million plus reasons.

floorpie · 31-08-2021 07:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117829771#Comment_117829771

I've a feeling that they know a lot more about this than you do.

Everything they feel is relevant is in the paper they published: files_publications_corona_booster-27082021.pdf (www.gov.il)

If you're satisfied with no safety assessment reported, a 12 day study period, and blurbs from adverts then ok. You're taking "trust the science" to a whole new realm.

Lumen · 31-08-2021 07:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117829746#Comment_117829746

At the moment I am think it's just Croatia and Austria that have decided to expire the cert, and in those cases after nine months.

https://m.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/boosters-for-holidays-twoeuropean-countries-have-set-vaccine-expiry-dates-for-travellers-40771024.html

31-08-2021 07:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117829809#Comment_117829809

you have a massive anti-vax post history, whatever the agenda is I don't really care

to me that makes you about as reliable a source of opinion on vaccines as Gemma O'Doherty and Delores Cahill.

floorpie · 31-08-2021 07:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117829839#Comment_117829839

you about as reliable a source as Gemma O'Doherty.

I'm referring to the paper you posted only. My post history regarding vaccination also refers to the papers and data from manufacturers only. I believe my criticisms are accurate and relevant, and you can check yourself, instead of trying to find problems with my post history.

31-08-2021 07:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117829863#Comment_117829863

not sure why you ~~waste~~ spend so much of your time on this trying to come up with purely negative vaccine arguments from said "papers"

very strange indeed.

hope you're ok hun

31-08-2021 08:39PM

Senior officials Marion Gruber and Phil Krause leaving the FDA. Apparently, "they're frustrated that CDC and their ACIP committee are involved in decisions that they think should be up to the FDA" and especially concerned about "booster shots."

If they really have concerns, you'd hope they would speak out about what exactly they are, as millions try to figure out whether they'll be wanting to get them or not.

maestroamado · 31-08-2021 08:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117829816#Comment_117829816

Thanks for info....

brickster69 · 31-08-2021 08:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117830123#Comment_117830123

It's like a comedy show. Countries giving boosters to everyone without knowing what the hell is going on with them. eve the CDC Director admits on TV they have no data apart from Alpha variant. a bit of hope though.

https://twitter.com/JeffereyJaxen/status/1430291155837759494

floorpie · 31-08-2021 09:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117829901#Comment_117829901

not sure why you ~~waste~~ spend so much of your time on this trying to come up with purely negative vaccine arguments from said "papers"

You posted the results from the "papers" and I read them. Why'd you post them if not for people to read? Bizarre

hope you're ok hun

Embarrassing.

31-08-2021 09:41PM

The Israeli's will have plenty of data for the anti-vax muppets soon enough - it's already coming through.

Already a million people there have had it for more than 2 weeks and they haven't dropped dead in the streets.

Has already shown dramatic reduction in Delta infection rates and serious illness + death for those who have received the booster compared to those have not.

Has it been shown to be riskier than a second dose - no it hasn't

It may have the anti-vax brigade jizzing in their pants with hyperbolae but there is absolutely no evidence that a third dose of the exact same vaccine already administered and tolerated six months later again has any more risk involved than a second shot

It definitely saves lives but that's not what everybody wants if you read this thread - the bizarre agendas of some people confound, spending their days following twitter anti-vax twats and looking for any old crap to repost

https://i.imgur.com/K22WtKX.png

31-08-2021 10:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117824368#Comment_117824368

Yes.

Boghouse51 · 31-08-2021 11:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805469#Comment_117805469

Id of thought we should be getting Back to normal now .

Doesn't the fact we are seeing loads of positive tests and death not suggest we are far from getting back to a normal life.

virginmediapls · 01-09-2021 02:30AM

Jfc Floorpie and Boghouse are actually...

Christ, give me strength

01-09-2021 02:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117830751#Comment_117830751

No, it suggests that normal life will have to resume regardless, and we should keep in mind that there is a pathogen out there with known vulnerable groups, assess our own (and our families') risk, and act accordingly.

maestroamado · 01-09-2021 09:13AM

Does anyone know if people are going to be invited to have the booster jab as our info on file or will it be rolled-out in age-segments as before.

Also i wonder is it ok to take different jab as i had AZ and the first one floored me for two days (hangover) 2nt one a bit better...

Economics101 · 01-09-2021 09:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117830536#Comment_117830536

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for that? If so please inform NIAC and the HSE immediately.

Economics101 · 01-09-2021 09:27AM

"Wants everyone dead". That's very unfair to Canada geese

01-09-2021 10:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117831540#Comment_117831540

Possibly, the only criticism that can be leveled at the diagram though :)

Multipass · 01-09-2021 10:48AM

Has the poll disappeared? That’s a shame, it was interesting. The last time I saw it, the ‘no’s stood at 20% which may be an indicator of how many people had side effects bad enough that they’ve said never again.