Kin - RTE & AMC

Pussyhands

Yer man Fudge looks like a fat Jonny Sexton

Elmo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117945560#Comment_117945560

@J.P.1994 no but interested, and hadn't thought about other funding for that series. and I still don't understand how section 471 works, still 1 to 1.5m makes is a relatively cheap series. Thanks @Murph_D for the info.

Declan A Walsh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117947795#Comment_117947795

Moore didn't actually do the two fatal shootings in the first episode - it was the young curly-haired guy (from Sing Street). He cycled for the opening shooting. Jimmy showed a photograph of him to Michael just before the latter went in and shot Moore and then Michael sees that lad on the street afterward and they run away.

Lucas Hood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117947436#Comment_117947436

I dont think they were stolen. Probably money laundering.

Something like this.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/kinahans-laundering-drug-cash-through-9833400

Beechwoodspark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117948421#Comment_117948421

Someone on Twitter said all the slow pacing shots are basically there to pad out and fill out a very meagre plot line

happyfriday74

Im enjoying it so far. I came to the love hate party late as I remember people **** on the first season so I didnt bother with it until season 4. watched season 1 to 4 on dvd and noticed the first season wasnt great but it picked up.

I also think people are so used to netflix binging now they are quick to call anything that drops weekly now as slow.

Sleepy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117948412#Comment_117948412

Brilliant double entendre, whether intentional or not! 🤣

yaknowski

The black female detective with oul Chuck from Glenroe, doubt we've any black detectives?

ednwireland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117948560#Comment_117948560

meant something else in my day !😂

Stanley 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117946692#Comment_117946692

Thought the informant lad inside the pub would have at least checked the back door escape route, there was plenty of time to do so, kinda par for the course.

miamee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117948575#Comment_117948575

It's fiction, not a documentary.

miamee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117948453#Comment_117948453

Watched this last night and I missed the significance of this so thanks for pointing it out. Might have to watch those bits back again before the next episode.

Am enjoying the show, we binge watched 1 & 2 during the week and were really looking forward to the third episode. It is watchable tv and having to wait for the next episode is not a bad thing either, otherwise we'd all have it binged in a day and forgotten about by next week 🤣

I'm watching trying to pick out various spots but missing most of them, the interiors especially. Where was that bar in ep 1 where Frank and Eamon met, with large booths and in a high rise? One of the hotels in Grand Canal maybe??

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117948575#Comment_117948575

AMC clearly have targets...

• Friend of Amanda's at funeral is black
• Erics girlfriend is black
• Mikeys daughter is black
• Nurse speaking to Frank was black
• One of Vikings young drug money collector is black
• Detective is black
• Nurse/Lawyer telling Amanda last week she didn't know when Jamie could be seen is black

That's only from the top of my head. The full cast list is about 40% black

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13444408/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_cl_sm.

Ten of Swords

@miamee The Mayson Hotel in North Wall

ginoginelli

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117948452#Comment_117948452

It just shows what it takes to fund a good series.

From what I heard about darklands they were severely underfunded to the point where though couldnt even do nightshots and had to fill in a lot of scenes with drone shots etc.

Even with its flaws and limited budget I was enjoying darklands far more than I am kin 3 episodes in.

Declan A Walsh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117948575#Comment_117948575

The actor playing the male detective Paul Breslin, and previously Chuck in Glenroe, is David Herlihy. He had parts in other RTE dramas - The Clinic and Single-handed. I remember seeing him playing a barman called Eoghan (his name was on his tee-shirt) in the film Leap Year, and the American lead character (played by Amy Adams) called him Eo-gan! David was also in the film Veronica Guerin, playing "Fatso" Mitchell. He is another actor with considerable stage experience as well.

The Silver Branch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117948721#Comment_117948721

A lot of tokenism in it alright. Token Irish\Gaeilscoil first name. 'Caolan' Moore. Of all Irish, Gaelic Christian names 'Quaaalan'. A wonder he wasn't dealing in 'Quaaludes'.

The 3rd episode picked up a bit but it's still a very bland production. Music is abysmal. Most episodes of Love/hate ended on a cracking tune, like 'All Around the Town' by The Rattling Kind. The American connection with this has meant it's neither one thing or another and lost in the mid Atlantic.

Pentecost

As I think has been pointed out already one of the Kinahan goons sent down recently is called Caolan. Probably not a coincidence, he was or is relatively well known around Dublin.

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117947804#Comment_117947804

Not in 2021. And it's also doubtful that Frank is latent.

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117948412#Comment_117948412

Incessant comparisons to Love/Hate and we're only still scene-setting 150 mins in. What happened in the first three episodes of L/H? Robbie killed outside a newsagent, Jimmy killed in front of his family and not much else.

Who knows how Kin will develop but it's almost certainly going to have a better first season than the mediocrity that was the start of L/H.

TXPTGR1

I’m out- not absolutely terrible but not compelling either. A lot of prestige drama frowning going on

Gadgetman496

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117947440#Comment_117947440

Spoiler Warning

That's because he's in jail and a very dangerous man he is too. He's Franks brother and Frank goes to visit him in jail in episode 7

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117948721#Comment_117948721

Great to see. Hopefully another Ruth Negga to emerge soon.

Man Vs ManUre

Seems the Viking character is modelled on Conor McGregor. He has used some of the same words that Conor uses, swags around a bit like him, and was even doing some sort of karate/judo training in the gym before he was shot.

The Silver Branch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949350#Comment_117949350

Why is it great? Is it not positive discrimination (30-40% of the population aren't coloured)? Surely proportional, equality is best and fairest?

Thundercats Ho

What difference does their colour make to the story?

The Silver Branch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949528#Comment_117949528

None.

But should coloured actors be hired in far greater proportion, population wise, to white ones. Positive discrimination.

A bit like certain jobs where it's very difficult to progress as a male now.

Its-not-lupus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117948575#Comment_117948575

You'd be surprised and the longer people think that the more effective they'll be. ✌️

Elmo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949350#Comment_117949350

Expect she was given the main role in Love is the Drug. None of the "diverse" cast have been given any of the main roles.... and she is talented.

There is no problem with having a diverse cast but the casting also has to take into consideration the demographics of a country. The black detective seemed to be from England originally, if they had really diversity surely she would have been better to have played the role of Eamonn's former wife. There is also no problem giving a diverse actor a role over another due to their better acting skills, plenty of new Irish (for want of a better descriptor) who could have taken Emmet J Scannlon's part IMO.

This series is largely tokenistic with bit parts given to diversity hirers, I don't think that is good for diversity at all.

PTH2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117948436#Comment_117948436

Will he be the new Fran

Its hard seeing any characters in this having the pop culture appeal some of the Love/Hate characters had

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117948721#Comment_117948721

I'm trying to understand the point of this level of effort. Genuinely perplexing?

Effects

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949554#Comment_117949554

Are you using the term 'coloured' to be deliberately racist, or are you just ignorant?

The Silver Branch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949769#Comment_117949769

Are you having a bad day or are you generally rude and insulting?

starkid

It really is poor. A melodrama that would give Fair City a run for its money. It was lazily conceived and written. And even the origin story is far more interesting if people know it. Just couldn´t think outside the box.

Laughable to compare it to the Sopranos or any other crime drama. These shows will never reach those peaks as the budgets aren´t there.

People who make these lazy comparisons should read up on why the Sopranos worked. Seemingly simple yet complex shots, particularly at night because of increased budgets gave the story room.

Because of these failures, it does end up glorifying crime. there is no effort or time to question these characters and give them motivation or give the audience time to dislike them. BY the end of the Sopranos you knew these guys were lying, two faced scumbags.

greenspurs

Hang on...

we are about to get a racism argument that will probably be more entertaining than the first 3 episode.....

Thundercats Ho

Exactly, and what's the point.. There's plenty of other things to nit pick about this show.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949832#Comment_117949832

Bizarre. But it's the who's who of I'm a victim even if I'm not an actor . I'm here in support of unknown home grown male actor who just can't catch a break... Or something......

Anyway back to Kin..

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949491#Comment_117949491

Dublin demographics are 6% black or Asian according to World Population review 2021.

Of the 41 listed cast 7/8 are black, under 20% so your 30/40% a randomly invented figure. No race breakdown for crew but the directors, writers, composer are all white Irish. Crews on Irish productions tend to be indigenous unless a European co-production so possible few to no ethnic minority represenatatives. Cast and crew numbers likely to be under 10% then, possibly even under 6% given the far greater proportion of crew.

In terms of cast only if there are more than 6% black or Asian on the show then that balances out Dublin shows where there are less than 6%. And personally I don't care what the ethnic makeup is as long as the acting is good. It is fiction you realise. If we have black Macbeths and Lears then we can stretch it to a black Garda or nurse.

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949731#Comment_117949731

He doesn't want too many black actors. And he's randomly inventing figures. It's a he also, the username and pedantry ensure it.

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949634#Comment_117949634

Michael's daughter about to have a major role. And also let's see how the series develops over 2/3 seasons.

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949898#Comment_117949898

will it actually be able to run that long ?

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949917#Comment_117949917

Depends on the US figures but even if the ratings aren't high there I'm sure they'll gamble on a second season. It'll help if it does well in Europe (Amazon I'd guess as available there in North America) and the figures here will be enormous. Over 500k for the first episode, and that's before RTE Player figures kick in on catch-up.

Thus two seasons for sure and then who knows.....

Umaro

re Love/Hate - Comparisons are inevitable but people are looking back with rose-tinted glasses. The first season of Love/Hate was only 4 episodes long and there is some seriously ropey bits in it. Fan favourites like Fran and Ado don't arrive until the second season. With only 4 episodes in the first season it had to move a lot faster as well, so the quick pacing was a necessity whereas Kin has the luxury of 8 episodes and obviously they're going for a slow burn. Will it pay off, I don't know. At the moment I don't think we're getting any performances in Kin that were as good as Sheehan and Negga, but I'm willing to give it time.

I do think the writers/director have made some bad decisions at times. Why bother having Jamie's parentage be questionable if you're going to kill him off? Michael wants to go straight for the sake of Anna, but willingly involves himself as a hitman within days of getting out. Do people know Frank is gay/Does it even matter? Zero mention of Bren so far, yet we have to meet him in a few episodes so even if he's a small part there is a lack of world-building here. There's also issues of scale in this where it doesn't feel like the Kinsella gang is that big. How much of the market do they control? How many dealers? We know the family and two lieutenants, but it seems they're dwarfed by the size of Eamon's operation so in a war it'll only go one direction.

I thought Frank was the boss but he seems to have absolutely no control over the actions of Jimmy, Eric or Michael. Nor is he able to defuse situations, or get people to tell him what's going on in his own org (see Nikita lying to him and zero consequences). If they wanted revenge on Caolan Moore they just needed to wait a little bit and organise it better. They're making so many bad strategic decisions that its hard to believe they're a successful crime family in the first place.

I'm going to stick with it but I wouldn't be recommending it to anyone at the moment.

miamee

I've seen a few people ask do people know if Frank is gay but Eamonn mentioned it to Michael in passing outside the church after Jamie's funeral and nothing was made of it, no reaction from Michael. For context he was offering Michael a lend of one of his properties in Marbella for a break, saying they'd look after him with somwhere to stay, girls, whatever you want, "unless you're a fagg0t like Frank?" i.e. unless you'd rather men than women but then he went on to say something along the lines of Ah I'm a live and live man. So I don't think it's a big secret at least not to everyone.

Ten of Swords

Frank's sexuality seems like an open secret (if it's even a secret at all). Based on what Eamon said to Mikey outside the church after the funeral when he offered him the use of an apartment in Spain he certainly knows about Frank (and doesn't seem to approve)

Ten of Swords

@miamee ha, snap!

The Silver Branch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949864#Comment_117949864

Right 20%, still 3 times a reflection of the population of the area, so yes it is positive discrimination.

There's an effort on here to portray posters who point out stuff like this as racist.

As regards the racial makeup of the show it doesn't matter if they were 100% Inuit, it's fairly bland Jeffrey.

The Silver Branch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949769#Comment_117949769

Post reported. Coloured was the correct phrase for description of race, without prejudice, during my formative years. Forgive me if I don't check the lexicon of public correctness every year.

I'm pretty sure I've done a good deal more than you with cowardly point scoring posts behind a screen. My family was active in the CRM in Detroit at the time of the race riots of 1967. To be insulted and lectured on the subject is a little hard to take.

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117950195#Comment_117950195

Cast and crew numbers combined almost certainly below 6%. Will that satisfy you?

The ethnicity of actors is of such little importance I've no idea why you brought it up.

Surely we have other stuff to discuss on this? And internationally shown Irish crime series can only be good for future productions. Dublin Murders probably helped also.

Effects

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117949781#Comment_117949781

My day is going ok actually. I'm often direct/rude when people used racist language.