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Does your club charge members admin fees for casual rounds?

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  • Agree club is probably losing revenue but people are playing casual rounds over comps because the prizes for comps are terrible. Club taking to big of a cut from the entry fees.





  • its a joke, I certainly wouldn't be happy about it.... and I don't even play any casual rounds in my club! It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

    I'm not sure writing to the GUI will do anything though. maybe ask the club to explain why they are doing it? I've no doubt there is some kind of admin, how much I don't know as I'm not involved at that end. But as the GI app does the business itself, surely it can't be much more than a few computer clicks and they hardly have to sign off every individual score?

    would also be interested to know what they would do if you entered a qualifying round at another course through the GUI app... do you have to pay for that also?... similar question to the posted who said you have to return cards for qualifying scores... what happens if you are playing an away course?

    if the club have a problem with people playing casual rounds now instead of entering the comp, there is an easy fix for that. if you are playing on Saturday or Sunday or whatever day between the competition hours... then you enter the comp!

    If you are playing a quick 9 with your pal on Tuesday evening, then no way in the world should you be charged an admin fee.

    Are you a golfer? Why not join the Boards.ie Golf Society. We are a very welcoming bunch of golf nuts so if you have a passion for the game with some like minded folk, come and get involved and play courses all over Ireland (and even further afield) with us.

    Just download the ClubNet App and sign up to Boards Golf Society on it.

    Then drop me a pm with the below info and we will get you set up to join our outings.

    • Name / Phone / Email / Home Club / GUI number






  • play casual rounds very rarely


    wouldnt be paying for it either. i jus wouldnt enter a score if they wanted money





  • Sounds like Ryanair add on tactics





  • Because I cant edit the post, I will just quote the whole post. With regard to admin, I just gather up all the cards that were submitted for casual rounds once a week, check to make sure they were added in correctly and try to see if I can see people who didnt submit a card. it takes me about an hour in the evening but I'd be fairly handy on computers. Maybe for other handicap committees with people playing several hundreds or thousands of casual rounds in a week it would take longer. I would wager on average we have about 100 casual rounds played each week, so probably not a lot. I certainly won't be asking our members to pay money for my time. I feel like its just a part of the job that I signed up for



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  • Can you not submit a casual round without any involvement of the club? 'Create scorecard' on the golf ireland app?





  • You can. But when the score is submitted, it appears on the handicap login app for the club through clubireland, so if they want to charge you they can look through that. They are certainly creating more admin work for themselves doing it this way





  • For a Saturday or Sunday comp do you look at every single card to make sure all the entries are correct?

    why bother, especially with the 20 pointers or the casual ones which are not getting prizes?

    is there no moving forward with the times and just accepting a score which was entered on a computer/phone/app and also signed off/attested by someone else?

    Are you a golfer? Why not join the Boards.ie Golf Society. We are a very welcoming bunch of golf nuts so if you have a passion for the game with some like minded folk, come and get involved and play courses all over Ireland (and even further afield) with us.

    Just download the ClubNet App and sign up to Boards Golf Society on it.

    Then drop me a pm with the below info and we will get you set up to join our outings.

    • Name / Phone / Email / Home Club / GUI number






  • not my department. That's what the competitions committee does. I'm on the handicap side of things so I'm only interested in the casual cards





  • Casual rounds dont get prizes in our place. Do casual rounds get prizes in yours ?



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  • Maybe I'm too proactive on the handicap side of things but I feel if you're going to do a job, i might aswell try to do it right.





  • No of course not. Sorry for confusion, I just meant that you probably really only need to double check the prize winners.

    I was just saying that if someone puts their score on the app for a casual round (which also gets attested and signed off by a marker) does it really need to be vouched against an actual card?

    Are you a golfer? Why not join the Boards.ie Golf Society. We are a very welcoming bunch of golf nuts so if you have a passion for the game with some like minded folk, come and get involved and play courses all over Ireland (and even further afield) with us.

    Just download the ClubNet App and sign up to Boards Golf Society on it.

    Then drop me a pm with the below info and we will get you set up to join our outings.

    • Name / Phone / Email / Home Club / GUI number






  • If there is Golfer of the Year points on offer for the top 20 for example you should be checking those cards too.





  • Fair play for putting in that effort, I'd be amazed if every club does.

    I do think clubs have a responsibility to check that those who declare that they're submitting a score do so. If not, they're gaming the system (possibly unintentionally). But as regards putting in the round correctly, I'd be leaving it up to them on golf Ireland. I'd strongly encourage people to do it that way rather than submitting cards for casual rounds. But for the odd older member who doesn't want to use the app, then the club should be facilitating them with manual entry. But I'd be hoping for only a few of these each week.


    Is there any reprimand at the moment for people not submitting cards? I'd like to see this, even though the ones not submitting the cards are the ones who want to keep their handicap artificially low. So not a problem for competitions bar the elite ones. And they're nothing to do with me.





  • Fair point but that’s probably only the top 10 in about 10 comps a year so not excessive.

    Are you a golfer? Why not join the Boards.ie Golf Society. We are a very welcoming bunch of golf nuts so if you have a passion for the game with some like minded folk, come and get involved and play courses all over Ireland (and even further afield) with us.

    Just download the ClubNet App and sign up to Boards Golf Society on it.

    Then drop me a pm with the below info and we will get you set up to join our outings.

    • Name / Phone / Email / Home Club / GUI number






  • There are a number of reasons why you should check all cards as a h/cap sec.

    1. To make sure it's completed correctly and signed - This is of benefit to the member because if they're filling out cards incorrectly and don't know, it could affect them badly in a big competition or away.
    2. To make sure the score on the computer matches that on the card - People often mistype a score and could be doing themselves out of a prize. Also could affect their handicap. Entering an 8 instead of a 3 for example. This happens quite frequently.
    3. For the h/cap sec, it gives a general picture on how members are playing and scoring. Keeping in touch with their scores/progression is useful from a handicap monitoring perspective.




  • I'm the comp sec in our club and we only ask players to submit their score via our app and not return the cards. This has been the way since Covid kicked off and seems to be working well for us. Obviously during the pandemic handling cards of others poses it's own risk. Personally I'm delighted as it cuts out lots of time spent checking cards. Our captains is this weekend with a 9 hole play off Sunday evening so there would have been lots of pressure to check cards in a short window to ensure all was right. I think the app based way of returning is definitely the way forward in my opinion, it is 2021 after all. Golf is a game of integrity, we trust all play by the rules on the course so we have to trust all will submit a score honestly. Obviously players are asked to double check and have their marker double check prior to submission of the score. Any discrepancies should be noticed at that point and rectified.



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