Mayo GAA Discussion

charolais0153

boland scored 3 points vs Kerry. Started the next game vs Tyrone. Was totally inept. Couldn’t compete with the Tyrone half backs when they were attacking us and isn’t strong enough to take them on when we’re attacking Personally I don’t think Orme , Boland , Loftos are strong enough. Don’t have the steeliness of a Niall scully or the directness of a Stephen Obrein for example.

franklyon

Got through thats the main thing, Will be a quick turnaround with quarter finals next week.

Next up either Donegal Kildare Limerick or Roscommon.

RedDevil55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119159741#Comment_119159741

I don't think Boland is the answer either, especially against a packed defense like Monaghan. Harsh as it sounds, he lacks pace and physicality. Very few top intercounty players around without 1 or both of those traits. That's also the reason Eoin O'Donoghue never quite made it and Neil Douglas in previous years.

Orme has decent pace and is a good ball winner, just hasn't much confidence shooting. Loftus was good off the bench vs Monaghan but I wouldn't start him tbh.

Jordan Flynn could be an option in the half forward line when he's back, or maybe play him midfield and move Mattie forward to change things up? Getting Ryan back on the pitch is also vital.

TsuDhoNimh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119159741#Comment_119159741

Fergie was (shockingly to be honest) played as a wing back up in Omagh that evening so never got much chance to take on the Tyrone half backs that evening. On a team that was in a very heavy training block and where very few came out of the game with much credit he certainly wasn't the weak link that evening and absolutely nothing close to 'inept' (we did have a few performances you'd describe like that, but Boland wasn't one of them).

Not sure why comparisons are being made with O'Brien or Scully. The only question is if he might be starting or coming in ahead of lads on our side, with the obvious comparison today being ahead of Bryan Walsh (who I'd imagine, though open to correction, would have less upper body strength than Boland). On a day where we only scored 6 points from play and only 2 of those came from named forwards (Cillian and Jack Carney with 1 each) the answer would be a yes from me.

flasher0030

I’m going to be blunt - how does Brian Walsh keep making the starting 15?? I’ve seen him several times now. And each time come away thinking that he hasn’t done anything in the game. He has no pace. No strength. And he doesn’t shoot.

sorry I know that’s harsh. But there are other players who could at least contribute something. Such as Boland who was mentioned. Or Darren coen who can be hit or miss. But at least will try to get on the ball.

RedDevil55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160548#Comment_119160548

In fairness he has only made the starting 15 three times this year and we've won all 3! Darren Coen isn't half forward so not really a fair comparison.

Walsh is competing with Loftus, McDonagh, Boland, Conor O'Shea and maybe an aging Kevin McLoughlin for a starting spot. Not a stellar list. I think Boland is better as a corner forward too personally. That's where he played vs Kerry in the league and got 3 points. Was completely lost vs Tyrone around the middle third.

TsuDhoNimh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160627#Comment_119160627

You can throw Jordan Flynn, Diarmuid O'Conner, Jack Carney, Darren McHale, Aidan Orme, Jason Doherty and Conor McStay (potentially Frank Irwin too if he was called back up to the extended panel when the 20s finished up but haven't heard word on that either way) into the list of potential wing forwards.

Boland was wearing 13 against Kerry but we played 2 men inside (Orme and O'Donoghue) with Aiden playing deep swapping from 11 to 6ish, as we did for most of the league, and Boland dropping back to right half. As meaningful as any of that is when you're likely to see anyone turn up on the edge of either square the way the games flow these days. That said, wouldn't disagree with playing him in a more advanced role. He certainly does his best work going forward. He had a solid game that evening in Tralee but his failure to track Adrian Spillane's run leading to the Brosnan goal was a breakdown in our defensive setup we haven't tended to see from Diarmuid or Jack playing a relatively defensive wing forward role.

happyoutscan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160548#Comment_119160548

I can't understand how Walsh and Orme are starting ahead of Boland or Coen either. Neither have shown anything to date.

I commend Orme for having the guts to take on that last minute point attempt against Galway, but still question why he was brought on ahead of Coen.

RedDevil55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160887#Comment_119160887

Diarmuid, Carney and Orme were all starting yesterday! Flynn will be once fit. Don't think Doherty has the legs for wing forward anymore.

That role against Kerry suits Boland much better. Playing as an orthodox wing forward he just gets lost in midfield and his lack of physicality becomes a problem.

Blackjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161250#Comment_119161250

This is it, really, and despite his obvious talent, it’s why he (Borland ) doesn’t fit into the current gameplan. I watched the warm ups before the Kildare game, there were some 5 vs 5 or the likes going on, Fergal just wasn’t at the races and was too easily outmuscled in those exercises. Now I appreciate when he gets his chance he does usually impress but I’m wondering if there’s a danger of him becoming the next Richie Feeney. I’d have him starting ahead of Walsh myself but I don’t see what goes on in training and I’m not formulating a game plan so it’s easy for me to say that on the internet and pontificate on how right I might be.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119163438#Comment_119163438

I would have Loftus in there myself. I think he offers a lot more around the middle third (did fairly well in mf last year).

Not to be harsh but I still don't know what Walsh brings to the table. I'm a big fan of Boland as a player but I think he needs an open game to shine, and there's not many of those games these days.

homewardbound11

It’s Kildare .

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119163961#Comment_119163961

Probably ideal, I don't think drawing Limerick would have been of much benefit and I'd have taken Kildare over the others.

Loafing Oaf

Any thoughts on the venue?

Speculation on Mayo GAA blog it'll be a double header in Croker with Donegal-Armagh

happyoutscan

Drawing Kildare is fine. Glad we avoided Donegal/Armagh/Roscommon. I'd much prefer it to be played in Hyde.

Coillte_Bhoy

Some amount of speculation on that blog, Cavan, Limerick, Hyde, Tullamore all mentioned also, pure guesswork at this stage

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164428#Comment_119164428

Cavan?!

Haha,nice ground but a serious trek on bad roads from Mayo.

Anyway,the speculation isn't necessary, anybody who knows how the GAA works will know it'll be a double header in Croke Park.The only thing we don't know if it's sat or sun.

ureds

Some bookmakers already have Mayo v Kildare at 5pm Saturday with Cork and Limerick also Saturday at 3pm

The other 2 games on Sunday at 2pm and 4pm.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164586#Comment_119164586

Maybe just a placeholder? That wouldn't be the predicted double header...

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164586#Comment_119164586

Sky Sports have the two Saturday games, nothing yet on their schedules

Audioslaven

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119163488#Comment_119163488

Boland is a nice player but he is the same as orme, carney, carr, walsh, loftus, coen, etc. We have loads of nice ordinary good footballers but none of these will make the difference in the real contests. It is like what do you fancy today with all these guys tbh. Harsh but true.

After the last day, it took Keegan to show them how to take a score after loads of back and forth. I think they have fear around loosing the ball and as a result will not back themselves.... the stats are to blame!!!......

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119165086#Comment_119165086

Whilst I agree Walsh and Orme didn't stand out the last day v Monaghan,Walsh made a big difference in Covid Connaught Final v Galway,Carr made a big difference v Galway in 2019,Coen made a big difference v Dublin in All Ireland Semi final last year.

Carney was under 20 last year,has won an All Ireland club medal this year and is developing into a nailed on first team starter.

You comments aren't harsh,they're nonsense.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164337#Comment_119164337

Blog posters now saying it's been fixed for 6 on Saturday in Croker, preceded by Roscommon-Clare. Any confirmation of this?

Euphoriasean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164565#Comment_119164565

Dermot Kennedy is on in Raheny on Sat evening so hard to imagine a Croke Park double header on too.

howiya

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119165254#Comment_119165254

Confirmed. Its on GAA's website

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119165265#Comment_119165265

Also ireland and Scotland on at the Aviva,it makes no difference this was always going to be a double header at Croker and I see its now confirmed.

km79

Absolutely ridiculous time

Cartman78

I'm not around next weekend but don't think I'd have been making the trek to Croker either way, the Clare game doesn't exactly set the pulse racing either.....will hold on for the next round 😂

recyclebin

FFS, Croke park for a second round qualifier.

charolais0153

Hope nobody goes Absolutely ridiculous. Bringing 3 counties the country for what? A half empty croke park. Give me a full provincial ground every day of the week