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F1 2021 Round 9 : Austrian GP

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  • I'm a fan of Danny Ric but he really needs to get his act together, he shouldn't be that far behind his teammate. Mclaren should be best of the rest but Ricciardo could end up costing them places in the constructors




  • Talk of a Norris podium is a bit premature IMO. McLaren have better quali pace than race pace, Merc will still be close to a second a lap quicker tomorrow. Can only assume the engine modes are different, that one rule change seems to have hit Mercedes most when it comes to qualifying IMO.




  • No penalty yet for Vettel? He should start at the Styrian GP




  • Harika wrote: »
    No penalty yet for Vettel? He should start at the Styrian GP

    No necessarily just Seb at fault

    https://twitter.com/Diego_Luciano_/status/1411359051015933956?s=19




  • Just in case anyone was going to give Croft undeserved credit (:pac:) the commentary is from earlier than the driver tracker is from.

    Vettel has to get a penalty then he should make sure someone in the team is fired. Bad enough to block someone at all but once he wasn't going to get a lap in they should've got him out of the way.


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  • Buttonftw wrote: »
    Just in case anyone was going to give Croft undeserved credit (:pac:) the commentary is from earlier than the driver tracker is from.

    Vettel has to get a penalty then he should make sure someone in the team is fired. Bad enough to block someone at all but once he wasn't going to get a lap in they should've got him out of the way.

    Vettle seemed to be oblivious to alonso behind him, almost as if he got startled by Alonso just before the last corner. Then gunned it to get around the corner and out of the way when he realised Alonso was there, the car gets out of shape which probably compounded the problem.




  • Buttonftw wrote: »
    Just in case anyone was going to give Croft undeserved credit (:pac:) the commentary is from earlier than the driver tracker is from.

    Vettel has to get a penalty then he should make sure someone in the team is fired. Bad enough to block someone at all but once he wasn't going to get a lap in they should've got him out of the way.

    Was there a directive from race control for no overtaking in turns 9 and 10 though? It was mentioned in comms in relation to Hamilton flying past everyone last week

    Don't really see where Vettel can go there if that's the case




  • RB seemed to save their pace for when it mattered.




  • Looks like Bottas overtook Vettel then slowed right down, Vettel then had no choice but to back off, and both he and his team were caught out by this leading Alonso to come up on him when he had nowhere to go.

    Mazepin got a lot of bad press for queue jumping a few races ago, then Hamilton did it last week and nobody seemed to complain so this week you had both Mercs and both Red Bulls get in on it, which ultimately destroyed qualifying for both Vettel and Alonso. They need to properly sort this out, as long as you have these short sessions and tyres that need such careful preparation we’re going to have more problems.


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  • Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Was there a directive from race control for no overtaking in turns 9 and 10 though? It was mentioned in comms in relation to Hamilton flying past everyone last week

    Don't really see where Vettel can go there if that's the case
    It's on the team to make him aware.
    quokula wrote: »
    Looks like Bottas overtook Vettel then slowed right down, Vettel then had no choice but to back off, and both he and his team were caught out by this leading Alonso to come up on him when he had nowhere to go.

    Mazepin got a lot of bad press for queue jumping a few races ago, then Hamilton did it last week and nobody seemed to complain so this week you had both Mercs and both Red Bulls get in on it, which ultimately destroyed qualifying for both Vettel and Alonso. They need to properly sort this out, as long as you have these short sessions and tyres that need such careful preparation we’re going to have more problems.
    Bottas was ahead of Perez and Vettel according to the driver tracker. He left a far bigger gap than anyone else it looks like, maybe they can put the blame on him.




  • Buttonftw wrote: »
    It's on the team to make him aware.

    Bottas was ahead of Perez and Vettel according to the driver tracker. He left a far bigger gap than anyone else it looks like, maybe they can put the blame on him.

    Bottas and Perez both overtook Vettel according to reports, the Bottas overtake was slightly before that driver tracker footage kicked on.

    I agree that it’s on the team to make him aware, they were obviously taken by surprise by the enormous closing speed of Alonso though as Vettel was forced to take the last two corners much more slowly than planned.




  • Burkie1203 wrote: »

    He still got the 3 place grid penalty




  • Harika wrote: »
    He still got the 3 place grid penalty

    Not surprising but still harsh. He slowed down to make space between turn 8 and 9, as was the agreement in the preface driver briefing. But when he did this a bunch of cars overtook him, then they slowed down between turn 9 and 10, despite there being a directive not to slow down between those corners. This pushed Vettel back as he had to slow down behind them, which pushed him into the path of Alonso with nowhere to go - he moved out of the way as soon as he possibly could, sacrificing his own lap in the process, but it was too late.

    Feels very much like Vettel was basically punished for being the only one who acted properly, but then that’s F1 sometimes. None of this helps Alonso of course.




  • flazio wrote: »
    Lets not forget that Lando started 3rd last time out and got swallowed up by Bottas and Perez early on. I think the McLaren isn't going to just magic up race pace out of nowhere.

    Fair sure he just let them pass, iirc the commentator mentioned it wouldn't be mcclarens race as they were racing the ferrari's and wanted to run their own race re tyres. Wonder will they give it a go tomorrow?




  • Guffy wrote: »
    Fair sure he just let them pass, iirc the commentator mentioned it would be mcclarens race as they were racing the ferrari's and wanted to run their own race re tyres. Wonder will they give it a go tomorrow?

    He didn’t fight it, but only because he knew they’d inevitably get past anyway. I doubt his pace deficit to the Mercedes and Red Bull will be any different tomorrow, but he might be more willing to fight as you’ve got to think he has a big margin over the Ferraris and the rest so he can afford to fight a bit.




  • Zero point in Norris fighting the Mercs early on.




  • Buttonftw wrote: »
    Zero point in Norris fighting the Mercs early on.

    Agreed, it's a pointless waste of rubber and risking worse.




  • Is there any reason 1 stop seems to be default tomorrow? 2 looked as quick last time and the tyres are a step softer this week.




  • Buttonftw wrote: »
    Is there any reason 1 stop seems to be default tomorrow? 2 looked as quick last time and the tyres are a step softer this week.

    Is that what they are saying? I'd be surprised as it's softer tyres this week. I would have thought the front runners starting on mediums would be taking two sets of hards at stops.


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  • quokula wrote: »
    Not surprising but still harsh. He slowed down to make space between turn 8 and 9, as was the agreement in the preface driver briefing. But when he did this a bunch of cars overtook him, then they slowed down between turn 9 and 10, despite there being a directive not to slow down between those corners. This pushed Vettel back as he had to slow down behind them, which pushed him into the path of Alonso with nowhere to go - he moved out of the way as soon as he possibly could, sacrificing his own lap in the process, but it was too late.

    Feels very much like Vettel was basically punished for being the only one who acted properly, but then that’s F1 sometimes. None of this helps Alonso of course.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/F1/status/1411406388018831360

    Side by side




  • That was a great qualifying session. Set up nicely fir a good start to the race tomorrow at least. Would love to see Lando on the podium. Ricciardos head must be spinning. He must be wondering what is it Norris is doing that he is not.
    Well done to George Russel too great to see William's and Russel doing well. If they keep improving sure why would he need to leave the team. Still I suppose going to Mercedes could be tempting even if they are mot winning or getting poles all the time anymore.
    A pity about Alonsos lap been ruined but then if he had got into Q3 George Russel might not have. Can't have it all.
    I think it is great how close they all are now. I wonder will it still be like this at the rest of the seasons tracks. Will just have to wait and see.




  • It definitely has to be a two stopper, especially if the track is hot. If it's raining at any stage, then we know we are in for a real treat.

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  • It definitely has to be a two stopper, especially if the track is hot. If it's raining at any stage, then we know we are in for a real treat.

    Its raining in Spielberg this morning and there is more forecast for this afternoon at around 3pm local time

    The 2 Alpha Tauri's being right behind the 2 Mercs could also be in play. If they can keep up with at least 1 of the Mercs early on they might force Mercs hand on strategy here too




  • https://mobile.twitter.com/pirellisport/status/1411618162244820999

    Seems like two stopper, especially when looking at the unused tyre allocation. E.g quickest two stopper medium hard hard. Max, Mercedes have two hard unused tyres. Not Perez btw

    https://mobile.twitter.com/pirellisport/status/1411618065536651265




  • The start should definitely be interesting with the slightly unusual arrangement (no mercs on the front row etc)




  • Harika wrote: »
    https://mobile.twitter.com/pirellisport/status/1411618162244820999

    Seems like two stopper, especially when looking at the unused tyre allocation. E.g quickest two stopper medium hard hard. Max, Mercedes have two hard unused tyres. Not Perez btw

    https://mobile.twitter.com/pirellisport/status/1411618065536651265

    They’ll put Perez the tyre whisperer on a one-stopper, hoping he can hold up the Mercs.




  • Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Its raining in Spielberg this morning and there is more forecast for this afternoon at around 3pm local time

    The 2 Alpha Tauri's being right behind the 2 Mercs could also be in play. If they can keep up with at least 1 of the Mercs early on they might force Mercs hand on strategy here too

    Can't see it, they are on soft tyres and I think they will drop off on pace within the first few laps.




  • https://www.accuweather.com/en/at/spielberg-bei-knittelfeld/25519/weather-radar/25519

    Looking at the weather radar, there's definitely a build up of rain occurring to the west and could move in towards Spielberg shortly.

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  • Both Bergfex and Ventusky are showing no rain for the next 3 hours around the track. Might get a couple of spots, but nothing that would merit a tyre change.

    https://www.ventusky.com/?p=47.207;14.932;9&l=rain-1h

    https://www.bergfex.at/oesterreich/wetter/inca/


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