Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

noraos

https://www.change.org/p/micheal-martin-removal-of-the-domestic-covid-pass-in-ireland

Incase it was missed in the other post..

Link for a petition to remove the passes.

There is a template for an email to send to TDs also in there. I don't know if these ever accomplish anything, but no harm in trying I guess.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424323#Comment_118424323

I never said it was permanent, you brought that into it rather bizarrely. Betraying what you really think perhaps?

Any views on boostered only for hospitality? Will you defend it?

You seem to hang out in the conspiracy theory forum quite a bit. Very strange behaviour.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424376#Comment_118424376

I've bet it will be gone by summer, but understand that we're still in a pandemic right now and thus it will stick around until it's over (masks and social distancing will be the last 2 to go). I don't see there as being any nefarious reasons for it to be kept as a number of people here seem to (that they can't explain coherently of course).

BuildTheWall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424368#Comment_118424368

I don’t know, maybe it’s just because like minded people tend to associate with each other, but most people I’m friendly with think this whole thing is a pile of shite. Especially since the Omicron variant has proved exceptionally mild.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424388#Comment_118424388

So you're not agreeing with the image that you quoted now? Good to know for future reference :)

vegandinner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424366#Comment_118424366

Brought my daughter to McDonald’s today, as a treat before back to school. Had to queue out in the cold 15 minutes to show my pass before getting into a half empty McDonald’s. To top it off the McFlurry machine was broken. Load of bollox

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423026#Comment_118423026

Society hasn't closed down chap.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424414#Comment_118424414

Yup but it's for your safety don't you know.

Whocanibe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424366#Comment_118424366

I was speaking to a young lad who has to do that, and for the cinema as well. 13, and you have to show a pass, can't get much more depressing than that. But, you'll have people saying it's just temporary. 😏

Richard Hillman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424389#Comment_118424389

Emmanuel Macron is not dropping that Covid pass if he wins his election. The only thing keeping him in check is the election. If he wins it will be a full blown assault on anyone unvaccinated. The NPHET Government will do whatever the EU tell them to do.

Also if they give a date for dropping the vaccine passes. People will instantly stop taking the boosters.

They don't want to give out the impression that you can ride out the storm and not get vaccinated or booster 1/2. They have purchased vaccines for the next couple of years.

It's all out loon in here tonight 😁

vegandinner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424463#Comment_118424463

The EU spent all last year telling NPHET to accept the fact that antigen testing works. To stop fining people for going to the airport with an intent to leave the country. NPHET are a law onto themselves

noraos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424427#Comment_118424427

It may not be closed down but it is crumbling, not enough teachers to teach our young, not enough doctors or nurses to treat our sick..no diagnosis for any ailment unless you have covid test first..

Palliative care was reduced..allowing our old to die without it.

Supply shortage of food etc..15-18% reduction in staff..was reported here during the week...and NOT BECAUSE OF OMRICON-Covid as a disease..as 96% of our cases are omricon and the majority of ICU is delta variant..

It's ALL because of the policies and rules in place..

And let's not even start about the social side of society..

It may not be fully closed down..but the fact they are changing the close contact rules..show that to prevent it happening they have to change the rules to keep society going..

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424366#Comment_118424366

What’s the difference? In both situations your freedom is being denied.

MTU

I see the covid cert to enter macdonalds a plus to combat obesity.

noraos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424547#Comment_118424547

If they were for our health I'd agree. But they are not.

I haven't seen one advertisement from our HSE to encourage a more healthy lifestyle.. or to lose weight in this whole thing.

Shame though, cos this really was an opportunity to encourage people to be healthier.. to actually save lives and help the health service in the long run too.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424076#Comment_118424076

You have to have a positive PCR to get the cert no matter what affect it had on you.

morphy87

Are the current restrictions in place till the 29th?

Are the meeting the 15 to review restrictions?

on a serious note when do you think they will announce if they are going to lift restrictions on the 29th? Surly they will give a week anyway if things are been lifted on the 29th

Whitters22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424590#Comment_118424590

Surely there'll be thousands in recent weeks unable to get a PCR isolating at home with a positive antigen and unfairly unable to attain a recovery cert?

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424612#Comment_118424612

Yep. It's a balls. My cert runs out on Saturday. I didn't use it anyway as I don't agree with them.

vegandinner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424608#Comment_118424608

They have no intention on lifting restrictions on hospitality

awec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424642#Comment_118424642

I think the 8pm thing will change. Hard to see people accepting that one continuing.

Richard Hillman

The Vintners were bought off with MUP. Now they have gotten it, they'll go all out for a full pub reopening.

If they don't then it shows they have zip influence anymore.

The other fellow Cummins at the Restaurants association comes across as a guy who has been promised a gig, possibly with the EU. His Twitter timeline is full of government retweets about non hospitality pro-government stuff.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424646#Comment_118424646

The Irish public has accepted every restriction for the last 2 years. Don't think this will be the hill people will die on.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424646#Comment_118424646

They accepted it coming in, it was just as illogical today as it was then so whats makes you think they will say anything now?

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424547#Comment_118424547

How will restricting a minority of people entering a McDonald’s do anything to combat obesity?

And surely it just prevents them from eating inside, but not from actually entering and buying their crap?

So more crap about restrictions for non-existent benefits. 🙄

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424013#Comment_118424013

In the original papers introducing the Covid pass the EU emphasised that this was to maintain freedom of movement within the EU and underlined (numerous times) how it would not be an obligation to vaccinate - this was explicitly ruled out - if you wanted to travel. You could get it from i) vaccination (6 months) ii) « recovered » (6 months) or iii) tested (PCR 72h, antigen 24h) - any of these 3.

Do you think there will be « forced vaccination » (I know you’re one of those people who think nothing is ever « forced » on the unvaxxed and that it’s all their own choice, but you know what I mean) this time around ?

choronzonix

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424384#Comment_118424384

Signed

lee_baby_simms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424389#Comment_118424389

I don’t see any nefarious conspiracy at all here. My reading of it would be that covid passes will stay for hospitality as NPHET believe that it’s a important measure to protect the health service.

The problem I have with that is that the covid vaccines and boosters for healthy people under 50 has next to no impact on the key metrics, hospitalisation and ICU. Then there’s the fact that transmission is possibly only barely reduced. The passes are useless. Everyone knows it. But they’ll stay.

Its all in tune with NPHET and their paternalistic ‘the public can’t be trusted, we know what’s best for them’ reasoning.

This kind of obstinacy and conservatism has defined NPHET for me. Blunt tools that provide both little benefit and high collateral damage.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424662#Comment_118424662

Well observed re Cummins, he always played both ends of the pitch at the same time, outrage at restrictions whilst supporting government and of course blaming PUP for all his sectors problems, won't be long before he starts that nonsense again.

The deafening silence since early December from ALL of the representative bodies is astonishing, partly driven by generous government supports but also because in reality there was little business anyway due to closure by stealth and hysteria and its a particularly lean time in Hospitality.

Of course whilst the representative are happy, their members, particularly smaller one's are taking the brunt and debts mounting.

There's an apparent narrative, A sure it will be grand in a month or so, of course that's dillusional. I personally don't see a quick recovery, in fact I see a lot of full closures.