Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151921#Comment_118151921

They put some useless no specific reasoning on it that helps no one. I've personally had 4 out of 6 returned, all from different sellers. They are claiming that it's due to a lack of information in some instances, but there's many examples of people doing exactly that they've been told to do and are still having their mail returned. This thread should help if you want to understand more:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058200515/an-post-returning-packages-from-outside-the-eu-see-1st-post/p50

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151708#Comment_118151708

Collective individual actions and Personal Responsibility go hand in hand surely? In fact are they not the exact same thing?

SupplyandDemandZone

I see the narrative is now moving back towards blaming vaccinated people for rising numbers. It's like a game of who to blame bingo for this government.

This is living with covid. Improve the health service because people are fed up with the blame game.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151980#Comment_118151980

What about the personal responsibility for overseeing a **** show of a health service in the middle of a global pandemic.Who is responsible for that, the fuc#ing public ?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152093#Comment_118152093

That's a professional responsibility, not a personal one

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152093#Comment_118152093

TBF that shitshow got us through the horrors of last winter with 2,000 in hospitals with COVID. Lots to fix but not quite yet.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151992#Comment_118151992

Agreed that they need to start looking inward for the blame game. The people of Ireland went 165 days from the 24th of December 2020 to the 7th of June 2021 without going to a pub... We, the public have done our bit!

floorpie

I wonder if tonight's match in a sold out Aviva will be chided by Irish media in the same way as the Euro final in Wembley was (I'm glad that it's going ahead, but will be interested to see the contradiction)

shesty

Paul Reid also said no health service can cope with a third of it's ICU beds given over to Covid patients.

What he completely failed to mention was that a third of the ICU beds in Ireland is a small number that is reached very, very quickly.

JohnnyChimpo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152246#Comment_118152246

I don't know if there's anyone in Ireland who thinks we're suffering from an overabundance of ICU beds

shesty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152420#Comment_118152420

Indeed.

He should probably clarify his statement by noting that however, before he goes on to blame the public.

robbiezero

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robbiezero

"Reduce contacts by half".

Does Big T not know its right in the middle of county final season. I am looking to attend at least 4 of them over the next two weeks.

josip

Our local swimming pool doesn't allow children to change or even to towel dry after their lessons.

They've to bring a dressing gown/dry robe and come out to the car park straight from the pool.

Some evenings have been very cold and for some kids it's 50-100m to their car in the car park.

Seems a bit OTT nuts to me.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152151#Comment_118152151

Will pat kenny have a meltdown about it tomorrow given he was losing his mind over 40,000 in an 82,300 Croke pk for the all Ireland’s.

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152434#Comment_118152434

He could start by acknowledging his own Executives report from 2009 Page 126 section 8.2.....

RECOMMENDATIONS

R3 The number of critical care beds should be increased by 45% from 289 to 418 beds.

This will need to increase sequentially to 579 over the period 2010 to 2020.

shesty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152596#Comment_118152596

Yup.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152560#Comment_118152560

That is a bit odd, I thought ours was very strict but in the last 3 weeks or so, they are allowing groups to mix between swimming lessons in the changing rooms, and shower are back open. (Although we don't use them).

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152560#Comment_118152560

And then they'll wonder why so many people are presenting for testing with covid or flu like symptoms.

The Big Easy

It's a collective fever dream. The main problem is the traditional mainstream media. They are regaining a relevance through Covid they had been slowly losing for years and ever more quickly recently with the rise of social media and streaming.

They are also making huge advertising revenue from the Government, paid for by........you guessed it, us! They just won't let people move on, it's very much in their own interests to keep the population fearful and hanging on their every word.

None of this is a conspiracy theory, it's just plain old self-interest. It's also not a conspiracy theory for Governments and instruments of power more generally to seek greater power. This is a case study in how power replicates itself much like how inequality does. It doesn't take any mass collaboration of nefarious intent for greater levels of inequality and likewise it's not necessary for increasing restrictions and societal control by institutions and instruments of power.

I hate that we can't discuss these things in the public discourse. People shouting down any dissent with cries of conspiracy and false equivalence is very depressing. No one should be directly comparing what's happening to Nazi Germany, however, it doesn't take concentration camps for an erosion of civil liberties to be worrying for ordinary citizens.

Dissent is fundamental to healthy and functioning democracies, why have we entered a period of gleefully denying dissent with pride? People continue to not want to acknowledge the truths of the pandemic and who are really at risk of death or dying.

The young always have less power because they have less wealth and don't tend to vote in big numbers, hence they've been completely disproportionately affected by the pandemic response to a virus that doesn't truly threaten them in the first place. Wealthy and powerful people in Ireland are generally older and at higher risk from Covid hence have a vested interest in a response that best protects them.

These very same people would have a fit if you suggested tacking inequality, the biggest killer that humanity has ever known. But no mass sacrifice is noble and worthy in this instance and this instance only.

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152560#Comment_118152560

Thats completely ridiculous. Poor kids

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152743#Comment_118152743

That’s down to the management of the pool and not the guidance in place

copeyhagen

if its as rampant here as suggested, its only a matter of time before the unvaccinated get it, get their 6 month get out of jail card and will be free to do what they like.

who will king tony blame then?!

Dickie10

why dont they give up sputing to the public with 90% of over 12s fully vaccinated sure that must be about 94% of adults fully done, some done 3 times, whats wrong that they cant get their act together and get emergency ICU wards ready to go , should be able to cater for about 500 in ICU without a major worry. what would happen of we ever ended up in a war?

Richard Hillman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152561#Comment_118152561

Pat will be blaming Callum Robinson for infecting 50,000 people

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152668#Comment_118152668

You can't catch the cold or flu from being cold/wet.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152900#Comment_118152900

I better tell granny, always worrying about us catching our death.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153002#Comment_118153002

Well yes. Just because people believed these things were caused by wet and cold prior to the knowledge of the existence of microbes doesn’t make it so

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153002#Comment_118153002

You talk to your granny? Don't you realise that you could give her the covid and kill her! Have you not listened to a word Tony said!

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153002#Comment_118153002

Yes, but 'our death' != cold/flu

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118150076#Comment_118150076

Vile commentary

Depressing thing is that it's widespread.

People eagerly embracing denigration and exclusion.

Same hypocrites all front and centre with every other popular social justice campaign though