Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Deeper Blue

PTH2009 wrote: »

Where's the report from outside Wembley Stadium where there all dropping like flies because of the scary Delta Variant ?

They can't report it as they've all dropped dead obviously

Buford T Justice

No, they won't be getting an external review of the nphet data, so basically our data is good, we know better than every other expert out there and you can all take a jump.

SEPT 23 1989

Miriam shouting down Verona

Pathetic

Fils

km79 wrote: »

Donnelly is annoying me so much
“We are looking at “
“ we will look at “
It’s nearly bloody JULY
What have they been “looking at” when every other country in Europe has opened up indoor dining already

He is looking at his big salary and can’t comprehend the big figures.

Beechwoodspark

Such absolute bluster and rubbish from Verona Murphy

FileNotFound

FileNotFound wrote: »

Most anger I have had and seen to be fair.

Total F up by the Gov.

Sense of disbelief as well especially when we seemed to be on the reopening road.

SEPT 23 1989

So if you don’t agree with NPHET you are a conspiracy theorist

ACitizenErased

Happy to see one of my TDs, who I actually know quite well, was one who tried to stand up to this nonsense.

"Public Expenditure and Reform Minister Michael McGrath reportedly hit out at what he said was the “grenade” having been “lobbed on our desks” by Nphet."

Daniel McConnell: Reopening farce a mess of Government's own making
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40325555.html

newhouse87

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/england-fans-go-wild-three-24424467

Imagine what tony and meek micheal would do if we actually got to the euros, tony does know better then every other european cmo though.

titan18

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

So if you don’t agree with NPHET you are a conspiracy theorist

Pretty much. Same with everything nowadays. Dangerous wrong think and instead of challenging the point, you attack the person and try and discredit them and not their arguments.

1992ChainGang

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Such absolute bluster and rubbish from Verona Murphy

She spoke really well, just because she said she wants an independent review of NPHETS modelling she was called a conspiracy theorist.

Bananas

ACitizenErased

Very interesting comment from Daniel McConnell of the Examiner, who's usually fairly on the ball.

"Some have suggested that Dr Holohan, having gone toe-to-toe with the Government before — and won — knew what he was doing with this latest "grenade" and that a highly cautious Taoiseach was not going to defy his recommendation.

I met McNamara in the Dáil canteen yesterday and I mentioned his question as to who runs the country.

“Now we know,” came the curt response."

KanyeSouthEast

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Such absolute bluster and rubbish from Verona Murphy

For wanting an independent review of the modelling?

Relax brah

A lot of conspiracy theorists in this thread

1992ChainGang

1992ChainGang wrote: »

She spoke really well, just because she said she wants an independent review of NPHETS modelling she was called a conspiracy theorist.

Bananas

Can I add that independent reviews are the norm in science. In fact, that's what makes science robust - reviews of other studies / analysis.

The fact that those who request such reviews are now condemned as 'conspiracy theorists' isn't following the science.

It's absolutely anathema to the scientific method.

sydthebeat

FactCheck: Is Ireland one of the only countries in Europe without indoor dining? https://jrnl.ie/5480750

We are an embarrassment

MOH

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Question for you

What does NPHET stand for

That will give you an idea of their expertise...

National Public Hype Emergency Team? What do you think it stands for?

I know the E is Emergency, and not any derivation of the word "expert". And that last time I went looking at the panel in detail a few months ago quite a few of them hadn't any recent ground-level medical expertise, and there didn't seem to be anyone remotely qualified to consider the mental health aspects of repeated restrictions/lockdowns.
The senior members are effectively high level managers, exactly the same as in any large organisation. Their skill isn't medical, it's having the callousness to take the flak for whatever, get a cushy payment, and move on without caring how their actions actually affect real people.

That's their expertise. Actually, maybe the E is for Expedient.
I think the H might be Hopeless.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Irrelevant to this sorry now

In fairness, that's far more of an apology than Holohan ever gave for anything.

Like insisting it was safe to visit nursing homes when those actually running them were trying to contain a blindingly obvious threat. That's the medical expert you're hanging your hopes on?

Aided by his able assistant, Philip "I don't believe in contact tracing" Nolan.
The ... datamancer? ... who manifests unquestionable predictions from thin air, while eschewing the types of verifiable data gathering practised by mere mortals such as the WHO.

Still, I guess it's some form of progress. At least the new national religious institution allows female members.

km79

Relax brah wrote: »

A lot of conspiracy theorists in this thread

A lot of them have sadly been proven right

titan18

titan18 wrote: »

Pretty much. Same with everything nowadays. Dangerous wrong think and instead of challenging the point, you attack the person and try and discredit them and not their arguments.

That’s cancel culture and we seem to have embraced it here even if unwittingly.

sydthebeat

sydthebeat wrote: »

FactCheck: Is Ireland one of the only countries in Europe without indoor dining? https://jrnl.ie/5480750

We are an embarrassment

I actually didn't know if this was true or not.

This is disgusting.

NPHET are treating the Irish population to a different standard to the rest of Europe.

It's nuts.

And it makes you angry when you consider the livelihoods decimated as a result of this decision.

Fils

Barry Cowen on tonight show clearly has enough of the dildo.

gozunda

Stheno wrote: »

They were working from home and despite restrictions in place a year ago chose not to do so due to company pressure

Clearly not essential if as they themselves posted, their performance at home was dinw

Afaik the guidelines were that employees should "work from home if at all possible"

Most employers got to call those shots. Not employees.

Dinw?

ingo1984

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m NOT a public health expert

Neither are the cabinet

The experts however have provided briefing and advice to our elected officials

Speaking as someone with vulnerable family and friends I’m happy enough with that.

Much preferable than politicians making stupid populist decisions.

Standard response of someone who's job or financial wellbeing was not impacted by lockdowns.

Beechwoodspark

ingo1984 wrote: »

Standard response of someone who's job or financial wellbeing was not impacted by lockdowns.

My job certainly has been impacted.

My primary concern are my vulnerable family and friends and I make no apologies for that.

Cowen just after laying out the risks to vaccinated ppl from delta.

ThunbergsAreGo

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Happy to see one of my TDs, who I actually know quite well, was one who tried to stand up to this nonsense.

"Public Expenditure and Reform Minister Michael McGrath reportedly hit out at what he said was the “grenade” having been “lobbed on our desks” by Nphet."

Daniel McConnell: Reopening farce a mess of Government's own making
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40325555.html

If he disagrees, he should resign from the party

sydthebeat

People on about the Christmas rise don't realise

1. We don't have 50,000 people coming home from abroad to spend time on different people's houses

2. We now have our vulnerable vaccinated

What NPHET did today with their "grenade" is disgusting and damaging in the extreme.

That are failed health managers, overseeing a failed health service.... failing the country once again

Deeper Blue

Seriously the people on here defending NPHET today are a ****ing embarrassment

Beasty

In other jurisdictions government and health advisers work together to show a united front.

I cannot understand why NPHET are allowed to make their recommendations without some discussion over the potential ramifications with the Government. They should all be working together and taking into account input from all stakeholders.

It appears we have a committee that has one dominant personality who comes across as calling all the shots with no consideration of wider ramifications of the "recommendations" being made. I am not seeing this approach being applied elsewhere, but am happy to be corrected on that point.

bucketybuck

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Question for you

What does NPHET stand for

That will give you an idea of their expertise...

No Pubs, Holidays, Entertainment or Travel.

Seen that posted somewhere and its not far from the truth.

ACitizenErased

There's only one reason why our advice turns to insistance and that's intimidation. They're quite clearly scared sh*tless of Tony. Simple as. There's literally no other reason why we're not like the rest of Europe.