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Civil Service - Post Lockdown - Blended Working?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭ Loueze

    Find out who the Lead Worker Representative for your Dept is, and ask them what way your Dept is leaning. Some depts are much more resistant to the idea of blended working than others.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭ Gusser09

    Word from my dept. today is one day a week from next week. Two days a week from end of feb.

    They have reiterated however that blended working will be adopted.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,343 ✭✭✭✭ snoopsheep

    might have been optimistic.....few depts seem to be pretending they've never heard of WFH in the plans sent out so far for return to work....

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,139 ✭✭✭ jaffa20

    Do you mean some Depts are expecting a full return to the office? From my understanding, it's phased return now while discussions are ongoing about blended options.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,343 ✭✭✭✭ snoopsheep

    phased yes but the (not explicit but phased until date X) implication seems murkily suggestive of "beyond date X what's the problem?"

    the unions would want to be doing more than sending out email updates on this one

  • Registered Users Posts: 669 ✭✭✭ BOHSBOHS

    Some departments have already issued plans for 3 days a week in office by mid march with no mention of wfh options.. some have issued nothing

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,107 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato

    You mean the unions who were asleep at the wheel agreeing to a 1% a year pay deal? Don't hold your breath for Forsa to do anything useful. We're looking at what is in effect a 10% pay cut after inflation between 2021 and 2023.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,453 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble

    3 days in the office - implicitly the other 2 days are wfh, surely?

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,546 ✭✭✭ BrianD3

    Early days yet but It may be playing out as I feared. The more time passes from the lifting of restrictions, the higher the chance of token WFH being introduced to tick a box.

    And the civil service is, in general, more forward thinking and organised than the rest of the public service.

    I was just reading some stuff from a remote working advocate called Chris Herd. If he's even half right, private sector companies that refuse to embrace remote working (where possible and where their competitors have) will be in trouble, just like those who refused to embrace computers or ecommerce were.

    Re: computers and the internet, I worked in the public service in the mid 00s and the refusal to utilise technology was absurd at the time and seems even more so looking back. Staff not allowed to use the internet as "they'll just doss". Printing and filing multiple copies of emails. Memos and copies of memos for the most mundane things. Requiring 4 copies of job application forms and refusing to accept applications by email (was still happening in Feb 2020) A mountain of paper generated and very difficult to find anything in it as time passes.

    Officious nonsense which requires a certain official mindset which also office. An office full of filing cabinets with "typists" sitting at their desks i.e. a bureacratic dinosaur's wet dream.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 48 johntune

    What Departments are these if you don't mind sharing?

    Christ it's hard to believe they can be thinking about 3 days in the office if the job was done properly fully remotely before.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭ caviardreams

    Well, one factor is that the long term effects e.g. 10 years plus aren't really known yet - sort term, career development may not be affected, but long term, things like networking, skill development, informal learning, relationships etc. become a bigger factor

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,239 ✭✭✭ billyhead

    I think 3 days policy will be eventually across the civil service.

  • Registered Users Posts: 48 johntune

    Simple enough to deal with all that remotely to be fair.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,252 ✭✭✭ SouthWesterly

    My boss is actively pushing with management for us to stay at home

  • Registered Users Posts: 48 johntune

    How will they reconcile that with the law allowing each individual to request remote working? They can't put a blanket policy in place. It will be left to each individual business unit.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭ Sarn

    You can still request remote working. If they decide to grant it, it doesn’t have to be 100% WFH, granting one day from home could tick the box. If they can give some justification as to why a hybrid model is required I can’t see the WRC having an issue.

  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭ kennethsmyth

    Absolute bull, you've stated that I "appear to be happy for others to be forced to do that", I never stated nor implied that at all. They are your words not mine. I believe fair play to anyone that has reasonable working hours. The benchmarking etc. that occurred in the early 2000's only went one way - up, this should of been fixed permanently not a sticking plaster that then gets "rectified". Additionally there are practices within the public sector to prevent private professionals moving into the sector - any person applying for a public sector job from the private sector can only start on the lowest increment for that level yet public sector employees can start on higher increment levels within that level.

    This is protectionism and will only ensure that the pool of employees in the public sector becomes stale. My own sibling who is a lecturer has said that he sees this already happening in our colleges.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭ Loueze

    Its not possible to have a one size fits all policy on "x" number of days across the whole civil service because not every department is the same, and the types of work they do are too diverse.

    Some are heavily customer facing, whereas others, have practically no customer facing roles. The same blanket policy cannot be applied to both, it just won't work that way.

    Whatever the final policy will be, it will be much broader than that.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭ hamburgham

    If that salary level is available to someone already in the public sector, then it should also be available to someone coming from the private sector. Why would someone from the private sector take a pay cut either. The current rule is clearly a disincentive to applicants from the private sector.

  • Registered Users Posts: 905 ✭✭✭ gauchesnell

    agree fully but is also a disincentive to go to promotion for a lot of people as the previous poster said. Promotion doesnt mean salary increase even for existing staff

  • Registered Users Posts: 905 ✭✭✭ gauchesnell

    we havent received any update from them or even from my own employer regarding what is happening. Im in education public sector - have forsa sent a communication to any sector?

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,343 ✭✭✭✭ snoopsheep

    so much wrong here that if it were even an iota on-topic for the thread I'd happily chop it into the little thin pieces it deserves

    have you no "moan that the public sector have benefits" thread you'd rather bump- I assure you there are plenty

  • Registered Users Posts: 140 ✭✭ exitstageleft

    I wonder if the CS will consider reworking their office layout now that they plan on integrating remote work with in-office.

    For one thing, it would be useful to keep all units in the same room, and divisions close by one another.

    It seems entirely pointless bringing teams in on the same day, only for everyone to be in different rooms and offices. It ends up with everyone communicating via email and instant messenger - exactly the same as at home!

    I imagine hot-desking might rise in prominence too. It's not fantastic but I'd be happy to take it if I can stay home 3 or 4 days a week. Also, with more staff at home, it might be nice not to sit in an empty room when you are in!

  • Registered Users Posts: 905 ✭✭✭ gauchesnell

    we already communicate by email and chat when we are in the office - and have online meetings are out desks. We are in the weird in between phase I suppose but I work in a large open plan collaborative space with no offices.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭ kennethsmyth

    Its called best person for the job and this is essentially protectionism by the civil service employees.