Russia - threadbanned users in OP

TheTruth89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118670992#Comment_118670992

The mask is well and truly off the Putin bots now.

Good to see you can laugh at the death and misery of innocent people being attacked by an imperialistic scumbag like Putin, I hope Russia is cast out as the scumbags they are. They are the new Nazis.

TheTruth89

The west should allow Ukraine to join NATO now and go in and help Russia peacekeep those two regions and stop them from "peacekeeping" in other parts of the Ukraine.

Put wants to act like a snake I don't see why the west shouldnt take the gloves off at this point.

MFPM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671108#Comment_118671108

I'd say your mark has slipped but it's never been fully on you. Interesting your faux lament for innocent people is undermined by your next post arguing for the gloves to be taken off. Such blood lust!

MFPM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671067#Comment_118671067

Europe had record defense spending in 2020 and the push for a European army are stronger than ever - they want a seat at the imperial table with the US, China etc..

MFPM

Still no invasion according the US!

'A senior US official said the deployment to breakaway enclaves did not yet constitute a "further invasion" that would trigger the harshest sanctions as Russia already had forces there, but that a wider campaign could come at any time'

If this turns into some protracted war in Ukraine, I don't think the trajectory looks good for Irish neutrality. I know some people will be glad about that, and see it as a sign of greater confidence and maturity as a nation (a bit like the way we became a net financial contributor to the EU over time), and I get those arguments, but there will be calls for increasing EU military ties and pressure no doubt from other EU members to step up our military contributions.

Fiery mutant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671067#Comment_118671067

I don't think the west has been caught with their pants down, more caught with their hands down their pants. The world and it's mother could see Putin was becoming more and more dangerous, but for years the west has molly codled him and appeased him, and look where it has gotten them.

Macron looks like a right plonker now.

Macron looks like a sucker on some levels, and TBH he makes my skin crawl, but diplomatic efforts should always be supported.

All of these things, eventually, end in 'talks' and a cessation of hostilities. It's getting there that's the problem, but it is the prize.

AckwelFoley

Bit of egg on the face of the Putin lovers on here that insist Putin wouldn't enter Ukraine and it was all just Americans talking up a war.

I suppose your next excuse is its th US that's at fault for your beloved Putin entering Ukraine.

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671168#Comment_118671168

Trump would probably have allowed Russian ships into American harbours.

Raoul Duke III

The Brits saying 'the invasion of Ukraine has begun'. I have no love for Boris and co but they are 100% correct. Russia has sent its troops over internationally recognised borders and onto sovereign Ukranian territory.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671211#Comment_118671211

We see you. More propaganda.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671239#Comment_118671239

Or is it just pointing out the obvious.

Kiith

I don't understand how this is Biden's fault. Wouldn't be his biggest fan, but its not America's job to stop Russia doing anything.

The EU need to come out today and hit Russia with massive sanctions, and keep them in place until Russia backs down. Anything else will just give Putin the green light to create a new bullshit story about Ukrainian aggression and roll right into Kiev within the year.

PokeHerKing

Well Vlad waited till after the Olympics. One day to be exact.

Shao Kahn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671193#Comment_118671193

I have said all along, this situation might have been avoided by better foreign policy in the region.

To think that you could just do whatever you please in Russia's backyard, was monumentally stupid from the west's perspective. We allowed our arrogance and ego to rule our heads.

Russia have asked for their views to be respected for years. Now it seems that Putin is not waiting any longer to be given respect, he is taking it. It is very sad for the region, as there could have been a much better way.

I don't think sanctions will work, Russia will have prepared for the prospect of heavy sanctions. They are one of those rare nations that can essentially be self contained and provide for themselves in pretty much every respect: food, energy, heavy metals etc etc And of course, if they effectively control Ukraine that is a huge chunk of extra resources added to what they have. Ukraine has massive production ability in many areas.

They have it all. They own one eight of the world's landmass, including 50% of all the trees on the planet. Economic sanctions will not have the impact that many in the west are anticipating, and of course there is no real prospect of militarily knocking them out, or regime change, as that could mean nuclear war.

It is very saddening how all of this has unfolded. We appear to be back at square one again. Cold war 2.0 has begun. 😕

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671242#Comment_118671242

Its not no. Its the type of information dissemination that has been very specialised for the last ten years. Everyone is weak look over here look over there. It's the US it's France its the EU it's Nato. Yada Yada.

Falling for it makes you simple, keep the eyes on the prize. Putin

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671243#Comment_118671243

This.

Entirely

gmisk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671264#Comment_118671264

What are the Russian views that weren't respected?

They wanted assurance that Ukraine would never join NATO, why should Russia be given that? Ukraine is it's own country and should be capable of making its own choices.

Russia could and should not be trusted...they already annexed part of the country not long ago! Now they are going to push things further... this will not end well for anyone involved imo..especially the people of Ukraine.

titan18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671057#Comment_118671057

I'd think it's more an alliance since they're both enemies of the US. Neither can particularly stand up to the US militarily by themselves (although nukes level the playing field if they're willing to be used) but together they split US attention enough. Likes of China, Russia, Iran etc are just in a non US alliance really.

Kiith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671264#Comment_118671264

This isn't Russia's backyard. Its Russia's neighbours house, which he has absolutely no right to do anything with.

Trying to say this is anything other then Russia aggression is simply wrong. Their veiws need to be respected? **** that...they just invaded a neighboring sovereign state...again! Nothing about that should be respected. And while heavy economic sanctions absolutely will work, they unfortunately won't help the people of Ukraine, many of whom may lose their lives.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118670543#Comment_118670543

Biden is an old style politician, someone you want at this point, someone who has seen this type of Russian geopolitical aggrandising before and he's not alone in the decision-making as the EU and NATO are in this too. Trump would have allowed him to take an even bigger bite out of Ukraine after Putin promised to just do that and called him my friend.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671243#Comment_118671243

The main problem is the gas supply for likes of Italy and Germany and the US, as part of NATO, are at the root of what enrages him. US likely to come first on sanctions, with EU cautiously weighing in behind.

Shao Kahn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671282#Comment_118671282

Failure to see things from Russia's perspective has gotten us into this situation. In fact, I would actually describe it as complete disregard for their wishes in the region.

The west has treated Russia as if they had zero power anymore. And their wishes were basically irrelevant.

But as we can clearly see, this is not true. Realistically, Russia were never going to go quietly into the night and accept western domination in their backyard.

Imagine if Russia or China formed a new military alliance, and declared that it was Canada or Mexico's right to join this new alliance if they wished. How do you think the US would respond to having Russian or Chinese missiles or defense systems in their backyard?

It wouldn't end well.

We were warned that NATO expansion might end this way. But we didn't listen. We were arrogant and complacent.

Taking what you perceive to be the moral high ground, doesn't always work in your favor when trying to avoid conflict.

firemansam4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671287#Comment_118671287

No this is completely the fault of the west. Russia and Putin have done absolutely nothing wrong, the imperialist drive of NATO are responsible for any loss of life and them traitorous Nazis in the Ukraine brought this on themselves by allowing NATO to use their country to build future bases to point missiles at Russia 🙄

There is no evidence for this but if you dont believe what I say you are a brain washed fantasist who believes all of the US and western propaganda thats in the MSM....

Am I doing this right?

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671264#Comment_118671264

In an ideal world some of this would be true but Putin too has proven to be completely untrustworthy and happy to meddle in other countries where he sees it to be to Russia's benefit. Cold War is an apt comment but he is the one that wants to extend the Russian ambit right back to the days of the USSR. Not quite a dying wasp but he is an angry, old man far too given to basking in former glories and the absolute power of the leader.

BluePlanet

Putin expressed Russia's security concerns to NATO and they basically didn't do anything to assuage them.

In the not very distant past NATO bombed Serbia and carved out a country called "Kosovo". Later NATO recognized Kosovo as an independent country. Bizarrely Ireland followed suit. Well what comes around goes around. Today we have a couple new Kosovos.

Welcome to the new order.

jolivmmx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671329#Comment_118671329

Nobody takes your posts seriously.

Remember, the West invented vaccines, internet, computers, phones, airplanes, industrial and agricultural revolutions, anaesthesia. We discovered DNA, nuclear energy, theory of relativity.

The West is doing just fine! It is not because it doesn’t go around making malicious and farcical threats that it is weak. This is its strength.

I am sure in school, when you had the **** beaten out of you by the local bully, you just let him beat you. I mean, you wouldn’t want to upset his power or anything

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671297#Comment_118671297

See what I mean by propaganda.... More of the same.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671333#Comment_118671333

Arrangements have been in place for that gas shortfall and even those most at risk should be able to limp through. I don't think there is much point reflecting on what I know now in relation to LNG as it's done and in the past. We get no gas from Russia but will certainly pay the price that this adventure will almost definitely cause.