Russia - threadbanned users in OP

weisses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106580#Comment_122106580

That whole Embassy should have been closed from day 1

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106573#Comment_122106573

Supporters of ISIS can be arrested in Ireland. These people are walking a very fine line. They chose to make a spectacle of themselves for reaction. The reaction may very well see Z supporters arrested in future.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106601#Comment_122106601

Those fundamental rights come with caveats you yourself linked to (but didn’t read)

Supporting a fascist ideology while wearing uniform of a terrorist organisation, that not only would destroy said fundamental rights but has actually already done so in Russia (and other countries) is a rather big caveat no?

weisses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106613#Comment_122106613

I said I did read them….Did you not read my reply ?

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106619#Comment_122106619

Now proceed to read the Irish constitution

BTW the irony of some lecturing others on freedom of speech while supporting those who not only would trample on freedom of speech but already do so… is extreme

fly_agaric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106601#Comment_122106601

They are (permitted to live here) until they aren't.

Visas for the wealthy, free + nice to live in European countries that are under attack from Russia (even if we don't seem to want to admit it or say it out loud here) are not a human or a fundamental right. If the risk for us outweights any benefits, they can and should be taken away imo. It should be treated transactionally, not as some "right".

Now I admit there could be people who are citizens doing this stuff, that is much more of a thorny problem (probably why country should not go handing passports out easily like cornflake box prizes the way we do here…edit: maybe ignore that last, trying not to get sidetracked!).

You cannot express yourself "without repercussion" here either. There are some obligations I think, and freedom of speech is not as absolute as it seems to be in the US. Even without breaking any laws, response of others to your "speech" may not be good.

zerosquared

back to current affairs

https://bbc.com/news/world-europe-68968256

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106582#Comment_122106582

A long and complicated history which has bounded many cultures all over the world. In fact, it's interesting how the same symbol has become so universally found.

Korea (Bhuddist).

US Army.

Finnish Air Force

There's also Hindi, persian, chinese and a few other variants. The one place I can't seem to find a precedent for is Australia.

But this is all a bit of a detour.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106828#Comment_122106828

Here it is on ancient pottery

It’s not the symbol itself that is the problem but what it represents in the modern day, same with the Zwastika which hijacked and perverted the letter Z

Russia and Russians and their clearly fascistic symbols now represent everything that is backwards, hostile and oppressive to civilisation

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106412#Comment_122106412

I haven't a breeze tbh im not a diplomat. Most conflicts end in a negotiated peace when one side has had enough. Trump seems like he is the Russia camp to me so i can only see that as bad for Ukraine if he wins but who knows. I can't see neither Ukraine regaining all their territory or Russia having the weapons or man power to take Kyiv and the rest of the country.

I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106464#Comment_122106464

Justin Barrett would love that little machine for his errands

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106601#Comment_122106601

Not if their intention is incitement. Not when you consider Russia's long history of meddling in other nations' internal affairs. None of this can be viewed in isolation, so it's not necessarily a case of simple "freedom of expression" therefore I can say what I like.

It's a bit like your man who drives around the city centre with a "Trump was Right" flag on the back of his motorbike… leave him off. But if you've got a group of people doing the same thing, we're well within our rights to question their motivation and intentions if the context demands it.

Here we're dealing with group of people supporting a war waged by an violently anti-democratic tyrant responsible for undermining the very human rights which democracies - including ours - exist to protect. A man whose modus operandi is to destabilise other democratic nations with the aim of normalising infringements of civil liberties. That needs a close eye kept on it, not a blasé dismissal under the banner of "freedom of expression".

It's nothing to do with anti-Russian sentiment. Quite the opposite in fact. There are people on here cheerleading for the expulsion of Russians in Ireland. Whereas I know at least three Russians well enough to say that they are appalled by Putin and his butchering of individual freedoms in their country. People like those dressing up in support of Wagner terrorists only serve to further drive a wedge between decent Russians in this country and Irish people outraged at the war in Ukraine.

dirk_dangler

Whats the feeling around here, are the French actually going to send men to the front line or just posturing

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122107828#Comment_122107828

Ignoring the fact your "meme" is incredibly stupid, Macron has never once suggested sending French troops to the front line.

randomuser02125

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122107904#Comment_122107904

Can't ignore the fact that it's incredibly stupid. It really is incredibly stupid.

eire4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106438#Comment_122106438

Not to mention freedom of expression is not limitless. There are restrictions on freedom of speech such as inciting hatred and or violence against protected groups for example.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122107828#Comment_122107828

@Pa ElGrande was claiming 1000 French troops were on the ground in Odessa, do you believe this as well? Where is the hymn sheet you're sharing?

eire4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106715#Comment_122106715

Very much agree with you. If there are Russians here on visas behaving like this then they should have said visa's revoked and sent on their way. If they are actual citizens here then that is a different matter but even then freedom of expression is not limitless and if they have broken our laws in promoting their love for a murdering authoritarian dictatorship then they should be prosecuted for such.

Virgil°

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122107957#Comment_122107957

There's nothing stupid about it. It's the opposite in fact. By not ruling out French troops in Ukraine Macron has for the first time amongst Western leaders refused to leash our own responses. It's the exact kind of strategic ambiguity Western leaders need to employ MUCH more of.

Every time we draw a red line in front of ourselves Putin walks right up to it and then begins toeing said line. By refusing to tell Putin exactly what we won't do it gives Putin something to worry about. Poison another western official? Route another cruise missile/Suicide drone across NATO airspace? Sabotage a cable or pipeline? Signal jam our commercial flights? Well f*ck around and find out sir. The hammer might just come down.

Even if Macron has 0 intention of sending in French boots it achieves nothing to tell Putin that he won't. So it's still a good idea.

EDIT: Wasn't sure if you were calling the meme stupid or Macrons statements stupid.

8mv

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122108039#Comment_122108039

No, Virgil, I think random and Podge were referring to the meme being stupid…

Virgil°

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122108074#Comment_122108074

Maybe so. Amended for now.

Sleepy

I can't see Ukraine suing for peace while their land and people are occupied by Russian criminals and I can't see their neighbours abandoning them even if the US vote to end their democracy in November.

Short of Trump deciding to sell arms to Russia (and not being shot by one of his own citizens for it), I believe this war ends with the collapse of the Russian Federation and the Ukrainians taking advantage of the total disarray this will cause amongst the Russian military, the vast majority of whom have no interest in being in Ukraine.

rogber

Lucky escape for several top people in the inner circle. I assume Ukraine also try to recruit people for jobs like this on the other side?

Is there a Stauffenberg among the Russian military?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68968256

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106507#Comment_122106507

You can do anything you like in Ireland except avoid tax. That's a hanging offence.

I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/05/7/7454637/

Besides being a front for the FSB I can only imagine the heights of depravity these so called priests have reached given they had unlimited power and protection

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122107828#Comment_122107828

Any reason you're choosing to link to meme's from what appears to be a Russian telegram account?

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122108093#Comment_122108093

For clarity, the meme is incredibly stupid. Russia would **** their pants if France put troops in Ukraine, though I don't remotely expect that to happen. Macron is doing his usual bombastic nonsense backed up by no action.

nacho libre

So a plot to kill Zelensky and other leaders was uncovered. Does Vladimir Putin every worry about what goes around comes around. I wonder if the CIA got wind of a plot to get rid of Putin. Would they inform the Russians seeing as the US seem to fear a scenario whereby civil war might break out in Russia.

johnnyskeleton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122107031#Comment_122107031

Im not asking you for the text of a treaty or the negotiation positions. Just tell me what sort of terms, in the broadest sense, would be included in this?

Spoilers: you think Ukraine should cede territority to Russia, dont you?

While most wars do ultimately end, it is more likely to be a capitulation/surrender in the modern world than it is to be a negotiated settlement. Its funny because ive heard the phrase that most wars end in a negotiated peace somewhere, but I cant quite put my finger on it.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122108657#Comment_122108657

While most wars do ultimately end, it is more likely to be a capitulation/surrender in the modern world than it is to be a negotiated settlement

The whole "most wars end in settlement" thing is stupid from the outset - they mostly end in conditional surrenders. You don't engage in negotiation unless you think you can not win. Though the nuances between a ceasefire, a negotiated peace treaty, a conditional surrender and an unconditional surrender seems beyond most people who push this line.