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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,314 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Unless Russia get booted out of the UN security Council they will veto any UN action they don't like and they can't be booted out because they have a veto



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The far-right in Ukraine got less than 5% in the vote in the next Ukrainian election, yet we still have Putinbots coming in here regurgitating the exact propaganda conjured up by the Kremlin years ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    It's a great system for keeping the UN from ever being effective at anything. They're no League of Nations.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    im a woman myself but is it easier for authoritarian leaders to do as they want when so many women are in power in the west, are women more likely to be a push over?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    It kind of reminds me of Hans Blix from Team America.

    "Let me look around, or else."

    "Or else what?"

    "Or else we will be very angry with you, and we will write you a letter telling you how angry we are."

    Putin must spend his days laughing his arse off at the west.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,790 ✭✭✭Polar101


    A question for those who find the western response funny - what would you like to see happen instead?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭GM228


    A P5 member can't veto anything relating to a dispute they are directly nvolved in, in such a case they must abstain, that is of course assuming they are considered by the UN to be a party to the dispute...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Reuters reporting Russian tanks spotted on the outskirts of Donetsk.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Literally the opposite of whatever they do. The West are weak but also last week they were the ones doing the provoking. Russia are the victims. But they're also strong and are the ones pulling the string.

    There's no point asking, I asked one who isn't clearly a bot (read that bit carefully) and they don't answer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,564 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭GM228


    More (stricter than yesterday evenings) sanctions from the US to be announced later today according to Sky News.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭GM228




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    The Russian economy is only 3.5 x Ireland's. It really is a very poor country.


    I think the west should take the hit on oil and gas and just starve russia with no trade. Crush their economy completely



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,281 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Anyone remember that video in December where Vladimir Zhirinovsky the Russian ultra nationalist and leader of the Liberal Party called it for this date?

    Freakily accurate.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    They had 8 years to fight back against the invasion of Crimea. Pretty slow, wouldn't you say?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    leprachaun gdp v big guns, putin is trying to negate the strengths the west have with brute force, something they are actually good at

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    They have no money. The country has third world living standards. It could be a prospose country but they want to waste their money on this shite. Feed your population before buying tanks to invade other country.

    Time for the west just not play ball with them. No more trade with them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I say this will help the Chinese out a lot. America was pivoting their military to the far East to counter them, now I say they will send more to Europe that were ear marked for the far East. Probably set their time table over there back a few years. Will give the Chinese some more time to build up their military and rachet up their more then likely invasion of Taiwan in the next few years,while all eyes more on Eastern Europe for the next few years. This will of helped China greatly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 35,837 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Macron is like '' but you promised me Putin, you promised 😔''


    What a puppet



  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Send them hugs and "you ok, hun" haha. Thoughts and prayers might work too.

    There will be no Russian invasion of Ukraine. Why? Because Russia aren't interested.

    Overturning Europe... Sounds like a ducking gang of schoolkids talking about this sh1t



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Say the west stops buying russian goods including oil and gas will China buy it?

    Will the west cease trade with China?

    Putin probably has a fair idea about the answer to those questions and placed his bet...

    The west is at a weak point. The us seems to have some troublesome internal divisions, combined with the recent history of endless wars based on false intelligence/lies. Afghanistan in particular ended badly.

    Europe on the other hand has divisions among countries in regards to even sanctions. It also isn't a single military entity - that matters to someone like putin. (I'm not arguing for Ireland to join NATO or for an eu army etc, just pointing it out)

    Its seems the west needs to be able to follow through with serious sanctions with the possibility of it impacting trade on China or the west needs to admit defeat.

    An alternative is to play the Russians at their own game with unmarked "rebel" forces with some heavy duty anti tank and anti air weaponry. Remember the Russian aligned rebels turned up with tanks and artillery etc. Personally I do not see that high risk strategy happening. For that to work the west would need to have already deployed them and to basically be broadcasting it to Russian as a warning.

    Other high risk alternative would be to open Pandora's box and assassinate putin. But you could see endless tit for tat assassinations among world leaders. Again pie in the sky stuff but those are the options.

    Probably the west will announce weak sanctions and carry on.

    The risk here is a serious testing of NATO in some form or another possibly through "rebel" forces in an eastern European country. Who would risk nuclear war over a hazy incident? What if rebels took part of a NATO member bordering Russia with Russian denials? Create the same scenario as eastern Ukraine and x years later just declare that you recognise the new state. This time play it safe and do not send in peacekeepers. If NATO fights the rebels so be it. NATO passes the test. If NATO is too afraid to take on the rebels then NATO is over.

    Putins age may hasten this



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They've no need to invade Taiwan, it's going nowhere. Get some input, be friendly, get a foothold and start stirring and stirring reaping rewards from their economy and eventually it's subsumed. Just look at Hong Kong, 2 decades and dissent is pretty much completely illegal. The university getting rid of Tiananmen Square memorials, it's all just being wiped away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Would it not have been more prudent to annex Kazakhstan with all the wealth there, then go for the Caspian Basin republics before taking over a cornfield like Ukraine?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,267 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Not really. China/Taiwan is mainly a Navy/Marine Corps fight. US Army can focus on Russia. I think the precedent this sets for “Taiwan being recognized as independent” will worry China more than make it feel better,



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,677 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    @BurgerFace take a holiday from CA for a couple of days



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    Honestly did not think Putin would actually invade.

    Unfortunately it looks like the west will have to stop him once and for all, hopefully a short sharp shock from the west will end it rather than an endless war.



  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think the Russia China alliance thing is probably over played. I don’t think the Chinese particularly need the Russians nor will they want to get into a mess with a quite belligerent neighbour with a fairly unsophisticated energy economy. China is all about needing to trade. It’s a very different economy.

    Also historically Chinese Russian relations have been politely frosty. I wouldn’t really get the impression they see eye to eye on many issues. The US tends to just see “commies” but in reality neither of them really are that anymore. China is some kind of statist, communist/capitalist/socialist authoritarian hybrid. Russia is just basically authoritarian capitalist these days.

    Other than natural resources, I can’t really see what China would get from this. It’s not like China is in anyway short of technology these days and other than some narrow military tech, which I would suspect China has more than enough technical capabilities to exceed at this stage, I can’t really see what Russia has to offer other than gas/oil. China would have a lot more to lose too in anything that caused major instability or drew trade sanctions. It’s just a vastly more sophisticated and complex trading economy that’s very heavily globalised. Russia really is the polar opposite - natural resources / energy and that’s about it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    It can't be a short sharp shock because we have been caught with our pants down. I mean naturally they assumed that the world was becoming more stable and security was less of a concern particularly in Europe. Europe do not spend on defense.



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