Russia - threadbanned users in OP

gw80

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856771#Comment_121856771

Me thinks these lads went to Russia probably thinking they were going to be getting paid to fight for Russia behind the lines, logistics or IT specialist and have been handed a rifle and told they will be going over the top,and came up with that nonsense story, hahaha, delighted for them.

rogber

Russians advancing in the east

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68493215

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121857869#Comment_121857869

The usual question: why isn't the West/NATO responding militarily, rather than with the usual expressions of "outrage"? It only emboldens Russia to do it again

aidanodr

I can see this as being true

https://twitter.com/albafella1/status/1765562765748396203

In an interview with Sam Harris for his Making Sense podcast, Stevens, citing people around Trump, said that this is exactly Trump's plan. And that is why Trump is prohibiting congressional Republicans from passing a new aid package to Ukraine. Having exhausted Ukraine, Trump hopes that Putin will end the war, retaining the positions he will have at the beginning of 2025.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859661#Comment_121859661

Sounds very plausible.

aidanodr

Huh ...

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1765464678468034766

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121857500#Comment_121857500

Why not agree on them? They have to out down a number for the sake of the agreement and they know people won't hit whatever they put down (unless they have other reason to). Yes it applies to environmental agreements as well. Don't get me wrong, I think if people commit to a number they should match it but that is not the world we live in.

Like when a new building (children's hospital) is being made. It will take longer than announced and go over budget.

Europe hitting spending targets might won't effect US decisions. Trump is just finding an excuse, no more than Putin claiming Nato was encroaching. He would find one irregardless to pull out of Nato commitments and Putin would have had another excuse for invading Ukraine.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860574#Comment_121860574

Technically that's still advancing forward.

Russia tend to loose massive amounts of armor when they advance after taking a town or village. Let's hope it holds true again!

pixelburp

There's a not outrageous suggestion that this war, truly the first "viral" social media one, is making us incredibly desensitised to violence - if we weren't already thanks to fictional media. I don't find that video funny, but disturbing that I just WATCHED MEN DIE, and be thrown in the air like ragdolls and felt only intellectual disgurst rather than an emotive, visceral one. I can't glory in the deaths of Russians as much as I might hate their presence there.

Might be something to think about for some.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860770#Comment_121860770

That’s the world Putin has created.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860776#Comment_121860776

No it's not. Putin didn't invent modern warfare, he didn't invent social media and I think it's worth considering the way we're digesting this war where we casually watch peoples' death in the same manner like it was a funny cat video. I can't disassociate as much or as easily as others.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860791#Comment_121860791

Sorry you feel that way about Russian soldiers who kill rape and maim innocent people.

TheValeyard

Reports of an Irish lad killed.

https://twitter.com/MykhailoRohoza/status/1765558586304839748

RIP

seen a lot of foreign fighters as casualties on news feeds lately.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121855839#Comment_121855839

In the context of Ukraine, not a lot, it will be 3 years in to the war before Trump gets in again.

The outcome either way is being determined now, not in the 4th year of the conflict.

How about Joe and Europe commit to a Ukrainian victory, act accordingly.

Naw. I can't see it happening either.

Mr. CooL ICE

I feel nothing when I watch these videos.

Back when things like the videos of Saddam's execution and others were going viral, i refused to watch. I'll happily watch gory, from pimples being popped right up to jarsquatter, but always would have drawn the line at videos showing people actually dying. When there was an appeal to stop people sharing WhatsApp images of a fatal M50 accident a few years back, I was an AH mod and was as quick to throw the banhammer as I could be.

But when it comes to russians being blown up, all I can think is "fck em" and I'm not sure why. It could be because of knowing what happened in Bucha that the alternative to the occupants being blown up like above could be far, far worse for the innocent locals. There was a photo of the aftermath of a civilian car having being fired on and it partly showed a young child, lying in the dirt and wearing a snow suit similar to what my youngest had that really hit close to home. Either way, fck the invaders and I'll sleep well knowing they're regularly being blown up in this manner.

seenitall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860791#Comment_121860791

Yes, but these young men are serving as flying meatballs because of murderous delusions of a few old men (maybe even just one) who are high on money and power. Same story as usual.

Anyway, here’s an article toward their rememberance:

https://en.zona.media/article/2024/03/06/transporter

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860574#Comment_121860574

You realise even when advancing armies lose equipment and personell? And the Russians more than most. It doesn't make the BBC liars or agents of Russian propaganda, which will probably be your next line....

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121855982#Comment_121855982

The days of America paying for Europes defense and security are over, Europeans refuse to do so but Americas attention is now on Asia and it doesn't matter who wins in November in that regard.

The reality is that a Russian invasion of the baltics will meet strong local resistance, resistance from Poland and others in Eastern Europe, little from Western Europe. Germany doesn't really have a functioning army anymore, the Dutch and French want normality. I can't see Starmer introducing conscription to fight Russia in the Balkans.

But Trump... is just a panic attack option for Europe because it won't pay for its security, won't secure the neighbourhood, won't defend itself.

America shouldn't even have to send a single bullet to Ukraine, European States should have so much backed up in aid that there isn't room for it.

Ukraine are lucky Russia and its army are so badly run.

Putin is lucky that most of Europe is led by people who don't want to defend themselves.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860680#Comment_121860680

You really take weird sadistic pleasure in watching humans be killed and suffering, don't you? Over and again you either post or describe such scenes. Pretty disturbing, and this is only what you publicly post....

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860770#Comment_121860770

Excellent post. It's been raised before, but always quickly drowned out by mob rule strawman arguments. Not bothered discussing it anymore on here to be honest.

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860846#Comment_121860846

Here we go...

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859661#Comment_121859661

Pity Joe Biden didn't win the Presidency in 2020.

The US president can release weapons by his own order under the excess articles act. Has that right since the 60s.

He doesn't need congressional approval and the amount he has at his disposal, under the terms of that act, would arm Western Europe and Ukraine for countless years.

It has been years of we'll give you planes next year and shells in years to come.

The outcome of the war will be settled this year and the current US and European preferences is ceasefire and new status quo on the ground.

That was obvious early last year.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860958#Comment_121860958

Here we go what exactly??

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860846#Comment_121860846

What nonsense is this? I put forward a small bit of discomfort about watching people die on social media and you trot out strawmen hostility. Check yourself a little. If you can't admit it's more than a little perverse that we're here watching men die like it's nothing, no worse - like it's funny -, regardless of what they did, there's something to address in yourself as well.

This isn't normal. It shouldn't be normal. You don't need to trot out some "look at you feeling sorry for rapists" garbage logic if you're not willing to countenance the ugliness we're communally indulging in here.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860912#Comment_121860912

America shouldn't have needed but they did because a) an ally was invaded by a mobster and b) they have an agreement with Ukraine to help

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860998#Comment_121860998

No one said it’s funny.

Some just don’t feel the way you do about it.

Accept that and we all move on.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121861030#Comment_121861030

Well no. The original post literally contained a lauging pun about Russian's "advance". So you can stop that too.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860680#Comment_121860680

You even thanked this joking post, so presumably you find it amusing when posts are themselves joking about it.

I'm not going to move on 'cos you decided to get needlessly aggressive about a small aside to consider our perceptions as observers of this war. If you're gonna make shítty comments then yeah I'm gonna challenge you on it. In fact if you're being blunt and bullish at all, I'd wonder if you know this but won't admit that it's fúcked up.

Cos guess what: it's fúcked up to watch social media videos of people dying. I'd like to follow the events of this war wihtout having the death of it shared like they're amusing anecdotes - and it speaks to how the nature of this war's media has changed that these videos even exist. Again, that's a bizarre thing to consider against how wars have been reported down the years.

If you want this thread just to be some 2 minute hate and watch Russians die? Then the justification is yours, not mine for challening that.

highpitcheric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860574#Comment_121860574

Im with pixelburp in trying not to like such videos, but this one is pretty hard not to.

I mean if nothing else, in terms of clarity and visual impact....if there is a best war clip...just hypothetically, it would be an all timer.

Bad.

Its very bad. Its definitely not funny. Shame on me.

He could be alright.