Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Curious_Case

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164996#Comment_120164996

Why support "Zelensky and his gang of murderous thugs" ???

Because, even if your description is remotely appropriate, Putin and his gang of murderous thugs are 10,000 times worse.

Asdfgh2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165070#Comment_120165070

How can you be certain about the ‘shambolic’ nature of the Russian military……war will be over shortly so…?

Virgil°

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165191#Comment_120165191

What on earth would the UAF be doing with a squadron of homosexual eagles? 😧

20Wheel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165108#Comment_120165108

More of an appropriate escalation.

(50's fatherly voice) You see, there are appropriate escalations, and inappropriate escalations. Sometimes we might want to say or do something but have to wait. (/50s father)

The inappropriate can lead to real disasters. Thats why equipment support has grown gradually over the year. Its why there was early talk of leaving 'off ramps' available to Russia.

Yes its always good to consider, ... at this time is this "appropriate"

https://youtu.be/IvB4ZO3e61A

Jinglejangle69

Someone needs to come up with some sort of plan to cripple the Wagner groups finances.

They are really becoming a problem.

Itsame Mario

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164981#Comment_120164981

Quote the assumption you've made there, without any proof that you seem to call for in every post. I care about the lives of those extinguished, their families, those injured on both sides. Which I why I want this war to end quickly, unlike those on here who are calling for a prolonged war which only really benefits the MIC and those who do their bidding.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165299#Comment_120165299

Sure you do,try harder next time

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165230#Comment_120165230

Because you can't round up 300,000 men off the street largely against their will and turn them into an effective fighting force in 3 months.

Never mind the fact that their professional, contract soldiers somehow thought it would be a good idea to drive a 40 mile convoy of vehicles along main roads to the capital.

Akabusi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165299#Comment_120165299

Do you care about the women and children raped and killed by that odious nation you are supporting too? Do you care about the villages, towns and cities that have been levelled by that odious nation you are supporting too?

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165299#Comment_120165299

If the war ends quickly it simply gives Russia peace to more effectively pillage, rape, murder and kidnap.

Sleepy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165299#Comment_120165299

What you're (either naievely or deliberately) missing is that anything other than total victory for Ukraine is going to cost more lives in the long run.

Appeasing dictators doesn't work. Never has. Never will.

Even if the rumours about Putin's health are true and he dies (hopefully roaring) in the near future, whichever of his thugs steps up to assume the position of "President" (realistically, more of a Tzar than a president since the latter implies a democratically elected position) will take the "Russian victory" of having been allowed to hold onto Ukrainian territory via your proposed negotiations as carte blanche to continue trying land grabs from their neighbours leading to more wars (and potentially ones with even higher casualty levels should they attack a NATO member).

Does this war benefit the MIC? Absolutely, no argument from me on that front. All the more reason to end it quickly by arming Ukraine to the teeth.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164659#Comment_120164659

You are such a 100% contradiction. On the one hand you are suggesting negotiations to end the war and stop all the killing. Then on the other hand you are saying that if there is some agreement reached to stop the war but Russia break it after ,say, three years, then that would give the Ukr a lot of time to build up its equipment and get training in the use of it. FOR WHAT? Don’t tell me it would be to defend itself if ever attacked by another state. God forbid

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164988#Comment_120164988

They are a NATO member, their GDP puts them in with Sweden, Poland, Norway, yet their contribution last year was awful in comparison. They couldn't even organise to buy back the equipment they sold to FTS, so the Brits just went in and paid the price and sent the equipment to Ukraine

Glad they are finally sending the trucks they consider too dangerous for their military to use

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/08/a-show-of-shame-belgian-weapons.html

Even the Ukrainians, who have been very thankful so far, posted some pretty scathing criticism of the Belgian contributions last year.

Also this spiel of leaping in to "defend" relatively weak contributions or heel-dragging is getting a little tiring.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165026#Comment_120165026

Religous types are traditionally immune to self reflection, spotting cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy. It's pretty much a necessary requirement.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165234#Comment_120165234

Well putin would lose his shít if they had them. He seems to be obsessed over the gays and the like. 😂

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164602#Comment_120164602

This is not negotiation:

Where the Japanese Foreign Mininister was told to 'sign here' on the deck of a US aircraft carrier. If you want to pretend that was a negotiation, then fine, but it proves you wrong. Negotiations are not an inevitable end point, much as those who worship diplomacy and guile, would like to think otherwise

Your idea of negotiations is for Russia to tell Ukraine that it is keeping all of the terrirory it's forces now occupy, and if you were to tell me Putin was also going to demand all the territory along the coast up to Transnistria, including Odessa, I wouldn't be in the least suprised, as he's got this mental idea that he always gets what he wants when he uses extreme and obnoxious violence. He has in the past due to western weakness, but not this time.

Russia is not winning this one or getting what it wants this time. The economics of this conflict are so stacked in Ukraine's favour, Russia, with an at best economy the size of Italy's, and now lower export earnings than Ireland, can not win beacuase the west can outspend it with ease.

The Cold War ended because the economic strain on the USSR trying to keep up with merely the US spend on Star Wars, resulted in economic collapse. This is also the endpoint if Russia tries to keep this up.

Beasty

Itsame Mario threadbanned

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164602#Comment_120164602

Russia has a choice surrender,and withdraw it's forces from Ukraine.

Or die in Ukraine.

That's the only option available leave or death

paul71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164785#Comment_120164785

Yes, I will go with what I say because it is based on factual reading from multi independant news sources. I will not buy an ounce of your lies.

Are you prepared yet to provide evidence for the Ukrainian army dragging people off the streets at gunpoint to force them to fight? No? Then I am perfectly justified in calling you a liar Mario.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164632#Comment_120164632

Putin and his publicists have said many times what their plans for Ukraine are, just look it up, Google Margarita Simonyan, Solovyov, or Medvedev. What you or I would like is just a personal opinion, now when Zelensky starts talking about negotiations, that will be the time to start taking talks seriously. But personally ( again) given Putins murderous rapacious thieving horde's recent history in places that they illegally took position and control of, I'd say that's highly unlikely. Russians killed a lot of Ukrainians in the beginning when the Ukrainians were not as well armed or prepared as they are now, but now, Russians will deservedly pay a very high price for any Ukrainians they kill. Slava Ukraini !!!

paul71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165493#Comment_120165493

Sorry I missed that before I responded.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165425#Comment_120165425

We already know that it will take months.

Nothing new or no gotcha moment

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164632#Comment_120164632

"What he want's" You mean what he can steal, don't you Mario? Because that's what he is, a thief. Unfortunately for him, Ukrainians wioll not allow their Country to be stolen, and most of the civilized world agree with them, and help to prevent this theft. The rest of the world sees Putin for what he is, a murderous Mafia Thug.

SortingYouOut

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164996#Comment_120164996

So because imperialism occured in the past, we should stand for it today? That's a great approach...

I don't thing religion has come into the equation at all when Ireland decided on its stance toward this invasion, it is the fact that it is an invasion that has surely informed our stance? "Oh but the invasion of Iraq etc.." - Again, two wrongs don't make a right. We don't have to allow past wrongs set the bar for what is right in the future.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165234#Comment_120165234

Can you not see how much fear these would strike in the minds of the Orc's - a Gay eagle is 10 times scarier to an Orc than a Gray eagle? Like the siren attached to Stuka bombers in WW2 to strike psychological terror in those it was attacking.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165857#Comment_120165857

He did succeed in causing about 4 pages on unproductive redundancy to be added unnecessarily to this thread.

paul71

Delighted to see the Babiš is well on his way to losing the Czech presidential election. A crook and a Putin lickarse, he is at 42% against a General who was formerly 2nd in command of NATO forces.

Just yesterday Babiš said he would refuse a NATO article 5 call if Poland were invaded by Russia. It was probably an outburst during a heated debate but Czech voters will not like that AT ALL, and neither did the Poles.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165857#Comment_120165857

We'll soon have a Luigi or Yoshi registered soon enough. Unfortunately they will never run outta usernames. It does be entertaining at least hearing the newest slant on why Russia is good and the West/NATO are evil etc...

20Wheel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165395#Comment_120165395

Oryx seems to have some kind of maga hatted agenda, probably another case of those who live in places immune to consequences shouting the loudest about what should be done.

Lets not forget, Belgium dont actually owe anything to Ukraine, although its good that theyve found it within themselves to give large quantities small arms. On a list of individual contributions someone is always going to be bottom ranked.

And lets remember Zelensky himself long ago publicly appealed to nato for just 1% of its fighter jets. Just 1%. No joy. Will we hear about that foot dragging, or that failure to wake up?

https://youtube.com/shorts/B1EieydyklQ?feature=share

Doubt it. Criticism is strictly to be reserved for European countries who actually share a land route with the rogue, heavily armed country a couple days drive away.

Diplomacy and nuance is always for pu55ies and "quislings" when you can just sail away home if theres any problem. Just withdraw overnight, like Afghanistan. Home to your distant island behind a convenient channel, or your steel ringed mountain of resources, where your worst neighbor is Mexico.

Bitcoin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165016#Comment_120165016

There were people claiming here that putinbots were all just a fabrication.

This place is infested with them!