Parking on yellow lines

Zenify

I got a fixed charge notice to pay a fine of 40eur to the guards for parking on yellow lines. There was yellow lines on the road so I parked off the road on the grass beside the road. All my wheels were off the road. Am I in the wrong here? If not how would I go about challenging it?

dobman88

Zenify wrote: »

Am I in the wrong here?

Yes

elperello

Zenify wrote: »

I got a fixed charge notice to pay a fine of 40eur to the guards for parking on yellow lines. There was yellow lines on the road so I parked off the road on the grass beside the road. All my wheels were off the road. Am I in the wrong here? If not how would I go about challenging it?

The grass was almost certainly not provided as an alternative parking area for motor vehicles.

You might consider paying the €40 and being more careful where you park in future.

Darc19

What does the ticket say? I've never known one to say "yellow lines"

You can't park on a grass verge.

Quote-
On a footpath, grass verge or median (the space between two carriageways), including where this is outside your house/business

Smee_Again

Is this a serious question?

If it is Op you should hand in your licence.

GhostyMcGhost

If the lights are red, is it grand to mount the path and go around it?

But the red light applies to the road, not the path right? …

Zenify

For people saying I was parked in between a motorway. let me be more specific, this is down a country road. There's a large grass area between the road and hedgerow. You see farmers parking off the road beside their fields all the time on this area.

Zenify

Darc19 wrote: »

What does the ticket say? I've never known one to say "yellow lines"

Yeah it says parking on double yellow lines. I looked at your quote and saw an article about parking on grass verge by the aa. I disagree with the parking on yellow lines part but if I'm not allowed to park on a grass verge that's another thing. The AA article mentions grass verge.

elperello

Zenify wrote: »

For people saying I was parked in between a motorway. let me be more specific, this is down a country road. There's a large grass area between the road and hedgerow. You see farmers parking off the road beside their fields all the time on this area.

A country road with yellow lines is a rare beast.

Were they double yellows?

Unfortunately for you what other people get away with is irrelevant.

Zenify

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

If the lights are red, is it grand to mount the path and go around it?

But the red light applies to the road, not the path right? …

Well , mounting the path is illegal... I would consider myself pretty clued in on traffic laws. I'm well aware it's illegal to park on a footpath, but I didn't know you aren't allowed to park on a grass verge.

Zenify

elperello wrote: »

Were they double yellows?

There was double yellows, I made sure my car was a few feet in from the road because of them.

dobman88

You're in the wrong.

But challenge it because I want to know what the fine is increased to :pac:

Darc19

I don't think it's worth the argument over €50 (or whatever the amount)

You accept the double yellow lines were there and you parked on the grass verge that had the lines.

As it was a rural area I suspect that there was very good reason for the lines - possibly narrow road in scenic spot which could disrupt emergency vehicles.

If you challenged it and get the judge on a bad day, you might see a €200+ fine

I see it's €40. That's quite cheap. Psy it and forget it.

athlone573

Do you get penalty points for this?

I'd love to be in your passenger seat some day OP, just to see what you get up to.

elperello

Zenify wrote: »

There was double yellows, I made sure my car was a few feet in from the road because of them.

So, in your opinion, why were the double yellow lines there?

punisher5112

athlone573 wrote: »

Do you get penalty points for this?

No

punisher5112

Only time one can park on double yellow lines is to be actively loading or unloading up to 30 minutes.

Zenify

elperello wrote: »

So, in your opinion, why were the double yellow lines there?

Because it would be a popular spot to park for a scenic walk.

You can park on the same road in a few spots but there's a T junction coming from the other side of the road near where I parked so they wouldn't want cars going onto the other side of the road into the T junction. There was nothing dangerous about my parking, I was not obstructing view or causing cars to cross onto the other side of the road. I do admit I am in the wrong, but not for yellows, for parking on a grass verge 😇

It was a busy weekend so all other spots were taken. If you want more of a laugh, as some posters say they would love to be in a car with me to see what I get up to. I drive for a living! I do about 200,000km a year and have 0 points or previous fines.

punisher5112

punisher5112 wrote: »

Only time one can park on double yellow lines is to be actively loading or unloading up to 30 minutes.

As a commercial vehicle or a psv.

Zenify wrote: »

I would consider myself pretty clued in on traffic laws.

Zenify wrote: »

I didn't know you aren't allowed to park on a grass verge.

The second sentence makes a mockery of the first

You parked illegally, be a grown up and accept it.

Zenify

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

You parked illegally, be a grown up and accept it.

I do accept it now for parking on a grass verge.

punisher5112

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

As a commercial vehicle or a psv.





The second sentence makes a mockery of the first

You parked illegally, be a grown up and accept it.

Any vehicle can load/unload on double yellows

elperello

Zenify wrote: »

Because it would be a popular spot to park for a scenic walk.

You can park on the same road in a few spots but there's a T junction coming from the other side of the road near where I parked so they wouldn't want cars going onto the other side of the road into the T junction. There was nothing dangerous about my parking, I was not obstructing view or causing cars to cross onto the other side of the road. I do admit I am in the wrong, but not for yellows, for parking on a grass verge ��

It was a busy weekend so all other spots were taken. If you want more of a laugh, as some posters say they would love to be in a car with me to see what I get up to. I drive for a living! I do about 200km a year and have 0 points or previous fines.

Not laughing at you at all.

Considering your posts I'd have to say again that your best option is to pay the €40 and forget about it.

Your other option is to go to court and argue that you should be allowed to circumvent the yellow lines by parking on the grass.

punisher5112

punisher5112 wrote: »

Any vehicle can load/unload on double yellows

Where did you see this?

Darc19

Checked with someone who knows this stuff.

Where there are yellow lines, they apply to both sides unless there is a clearly defined parking space.

So ticket is valid.



Re the loading/unloading. It is any vehicle but they must be actively loading and unloading throughout the duration with Max 30 min. You can't load for 5 minutes and then grab a coffee

whippet

I live near a scenic spot and walk my dogs there almost every day of the year … with the lockdown and subsequent easing of restrictions inconsiderate and illegal parking has be come a total mess.

Parking up against ditches, footpaths, opposite entrances etc .. makes walking the road impossible.

The guards go down the odd day and dish out tickets but the reality is that if the car parks or safe legal places to park are full .. turn around and go somewhere else.

Lenar3556

Darc19 wrote: »

Checked with someone who knows this stuff.

Where there are yellow lines, they apply to both sides unless there is a clearly defined parking space.

So ticket is valid.



Re the loading/unloading. It is any vehicle but they must be actively loading and unloading throughout the duration with Max 30 min. You can't load for 5 minutes and then grab a coffee

I would agree with the first part. Even if there were no yellow lines, it would seem the area in which the OP was parked was a ‘grass verge’ and therefore parking is already prohibited otherwise. - so I would pay the FCN.

No prohibition of loading / unloading on double yellow lines was news to me. - where is that stated?

kbell

@op can you post a photo or street view of the spot?

Marcusm

Zenify wrote: »

I got a fixed charge notice to pay a fine of 40eur to the guards for parking on yellow lines. There was yellow lines on the road so I parked off the road on the grass beside the road. All my wheels were off the road. Am I in the wrong here? If not how would I go about challenging it?

Yes, you are worse, you parked on the footpath (even if it was a grass verge).

Marcusm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Where did you see this?

Art 5(1)(e) of the1997 regs overrides the general prohibition for parking on double yellows for 30 minutes of loading/unloading and us not restricted to goods vehicles.

( e ) a prohibition on the parking of a vehicle imposed by article 36(2)(a) shall not apply to a vehicle parked while goods are being loaded in or on to it or unloaded from it, for a period not exceeding thirty minutes from the commencement of the parking.

athlone573

Marcusm wrote: »

Art 5(1)(e) of the1997 regs overrides the general prohibition for parking on double yellows for 30 minutes of loading/unloading and us not restricted to goods vehicles.

( e ) a prohibition on the parking of a vehicle imposed by article 36(2)(a) shall not apply to a vehicle parked while goods are being loaded in or on to it or unloaded from it, for a period not exceeding thirty minutes from the commencement of the parking.

Is the mention of "goods" specific to commercial goods (or commercial taxed vehicle) in other words can I park a car outside the takeaway on double yellows while I pick up my phone order?

Sleeper12

athlone573 wrote:

Is the mention of "goods" specific to commercial goods (or commercial taxed vehicle) in other words can I park a car outside the takeaway on double yellows while I pick up my phone order?

I always read it as a "goods vehicle" / commercial vehicle. I never thought it referred to private vehicles

Lenar3556

Marcusm wrote: »

Yes, you are worse, you parked on the footpath (even if it was a grass verge).

Well there is no suggestion that this was a footpath.

The OP suggests that he/she has received an FCN supposedly for parking on yellow lines. I think it’s clear that an offence was likely to have been committed in this regard notwithstanding the fact that the car was parked on the far side (inside) of these yellow lines.

If there weren’t yellow lines or signage prohibiting parking, the situation would be less clear. Whether this area could also be considered a grass verge would need to be established. If there was no grass present, and the area was a rocky, sandy or stoned verge then parking wouldn’t necessarily be prohibited. If the alleged ‘verge’ was a large area grass or otherwise, there would also be the question of whether stage location the car was parked actually formed part of a public road in the first instance.

costacorta

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I always read it as a "goods vehicle" / commercial vehicle. I never thought it referred to private vehicles[

costacorta

athlone573 wrote: »

Is the mention of "goods" specific to commercial goods (or commercial taxed vehicle) in other words can I park a car outside the takeaway on double yellows while I pick up my phone order?

Short answer is NO

athlone573

costacorta wrote: »

Short answer is NO

LOL. No to which question.

duffmann

Anyone who parked in Portmarnock today inside the double yellow lines should expect a letter in the post. Garda was busy filling in his notebook. The cars were on the grass verge/footpath.

Marcusm

Marcusm wrote: »

Art 5(1)(e) of the1997 regs overrides the general prohibition for parking on double yellows for 30 minutes of loading/unloading and us not restricted to goods vehicles.

( e ) a prohibition on the parking of a vehicle imposed by article 36(2)(a) shall not apply to a vehicle parked while goods are being loaded in or on to it or unloaded from it, for a period not exceeding thirty minutes from the commencement of the parking.

Spot the guy that doesnt issue parking tickets

Darc19

Lenar3556 wrote: »

No prohibition of loading / unloading on double yellow lines was news to me. - where is that stated?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print

S. 5.1.e

costacorta

Darc19 wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print

S. 5.1.e

Is that for everywhere in the country? Why I ask is I thought every town would have their own by -laws .. If it was that simple everyone would say they were unloading or had unloaded if they received a parking fine surely.
Also if in a private car would you be covered by insurance doing deliveries ?

Marcusm

Lenar3556 wrote: »

Well there is no suggestion that this was a footpath.

The OP suggests that he/she has received an FCN supposedly for parking on yellow lines. I think it’s clear that an offence was likely to have been committed in this regard notwithstanding the fact that the car was parked on the far side (inside) of these yellow lines.

If there weren’t yellow lines or signage prohibiting parking, the situation would be less clear. Whether this area could also be considered a grass verge would need to be established. If there was no grass present, and the area was a rocky, sandy or stoned verge then parking wouldn’t necessarily be prohibited. If the alleged ‘verge’ was a large area grass or otherwise, there would also be the question of whether stage location the car was parked actually formed part of a public road in the first instance.

A footway (apologies) is any part of a road not designed for vehicles (their part is the carriageway). Any part of the road outside the carriageway (as delineated by lines where relevant) is a footway.

Marcusm

Lenar3556 wrote: »

Well there is no suggestion that this was a footpath.

The OP suggests that he/she has received an FCN supposedly for parking on yellow lines. I think it’s clear that an offence was likely to have been committed in this regard notwithstanding the fact that the car was parked on the far side (inside) of these yellow lines.

If there weren’t yellow lines or signage prohibiting parking, the situation would be less clear. Whether this area could also be considered a grass verge would need to be established. If there was no grass present, and the area was a rocky, sandy or stoned verge then parking wouldn’t necessarily be prohibited. If the alleged ‘verge’ was a large area grass or otherwise, there would also be the question of whether stage location the car was parked actually formed part of a public road in the first instance.

If there were no yellow lines the issue would not arise as, unless there was a continuous white line or parking in such a place would obstruct other vehicles (stop them passing at all), then it wouldn’t be an issue.

Darc19

costacorta wrote: »

Is that for everywhere in the country? Why I ask is I thought every town would have their own by -laws .. If it was that simple everyone would say they were unloading or had unloaded if they received a parking fine surely.
Also if in a private car would you be covered by insurance doing deliveries ?

The important part is "whilst loading or unloading"

If you are not actively loading or unloading, a ticket applies.


Of course you can be covered by insurance for goods in a private car.
Possibly you are collecting goods from a shop for your home, or if you are doing it as part of your work you simply get business driving added to your policy.

Nigzcurran

duffmann wrote: »

Anyone who parked in Portmarnock today inside the double yellow lines should expect a letter in the post. Garda was busy filling in his notebook. The cars were on the grass verge/footpath.

Sorry I was one of them! Probably worth the €40 fine to avoid listening to the family if I told them we had to turn around and go home cause there was no parking available

Lenar3556

Darc19 wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print

S. 5.1.e

Thanks for that.
I suppose it’s fair to say that in such circumstances a vehicle could also be committing a separate parking offence, and given that a local authority saw fit to paint double yellow lines in the first instance, anyone planning to rely of this exemption would need to pretty diligent as to proximity to junctions, crossings, perceived as causing of an obstruction etc.

Marcusm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Spot the guy that doesnt issue parking tickets

My fervent wish would be for this ticket to be €200, for thousands to be issued, enforced and collected (by private bailiffs if necessary) and for people to stop parking like twats (in urban areas particularly) such that it becomes unnecessary to issue them.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

I'd love to see pics of this place way out the country with double yellow lines and where farmers park all the time.

TheRiverman

Zenify wrote: »

For people saying I was parked in between a motorway. let me be more specific, this is down a country road. There's a large grass area between the road and hedgerow. You see farmers parking off the road beside their fields all the time on this area.

Double yellow lines down a country road ??

Darc19

TheRiverman wrote: »

Double yellow lines down a country road ??

Plenty of them in scenic spots

runawaybishop

Darc19 wrote: »

Plenty of them in scenic spots

Also, amusingly, plenty of them anywhere near spitting distance of a river around where I am.

Marcusm

Marcusm wrote: »

My fervent wish would be for this ticket to be €200, for thousands to be issued, enforced and collected (by private bailiffs if necessary) and for people to stop parking like twats (in urban areas particularly) such that it becomes unnecessary to issue them.

Take a serious change to the current system. Anything other than parking in a disabled spot or bike lane and you are wasting your time.