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Parking on yellow lines

Zenify

I got a fixed charge notice to pay a fine of 40eur to the guards for parking on yellow lines. There was yellow lines on the road so I parked off the road on the grass beside the road. All my wheels were off the road. Am I in the wrong here? If not how would I go about challenging it?

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Zenify

TheRiverman wrote: »

Double yellow lines down a country road ??

I've said this already. It's near a scenic walk (It's a popular walking spot) in the wicklow mountains (not glendalough). Yellow lines on country road as it would get a lot of parking from walkers etc. I don't see why that is hard to believe?

I don't want to post exactly where it is for a few reasons (more than just the posts in this thread).

[Deleted User]

Marcusm wrote: »

My fervent wish would be for this ticket to be €200, for thousands to be issued, enforced and collected (by private bailiffs if necessary) and for people to stop parking like twats (in urban areas particularly) such that it becomes unnecessary to issue them.

Take a serious change to the current system. Anything other than parking in a disabled spot or bike lane and you are wasting your time.

runawaybishop

Darc19 wrote: »

Plenty of them in scenic spots

Also, amusingly, plenty of them anywhere near spitting distance of a river around where I am.

Darc19

TheRiverman wrote: »

Double yellow lines down a country road ??

Plenty of them in scenic spots

TheRiverman

Zenify wrote: »

For people saying I was parked in between a motorway. let me be more specific, this is down a country road. There's a large grass area between the road and hedgerow. You see farmers parking off the road beside their fields all the time on this area.

Double yellow lines down a country road ??

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

I'd love to see pics of this place way out the country with double yellow lines and where farmers park all the time.

Marcusm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Spot the guy that doesnt issue parking tickets

My fervent wish would be for this ticket to be €200, for thousands to be issued, enforced and collected (by private bailiffs if necessary) and for people to stop parking like twats (in urban areas particularly) such that it becomes unnecessary to issue them.

Lenar3556

Darc19 wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print

S. 5.1.e

Thanks for that.
I suppose it’s fair to say that in such circumstances a vehicle could also be committing a separate parking offence, and given that a local authority saw fit to paint double yellow lines in the first instance, anyone planning to rely of this exemption would need to pretty diligent as to proximity to junctions, crossings, perceived as causing of an obstruction etc.

Nigzcurran

duffmann wrote: »

Anyone who parked in Portmarnock today inside the double yellow lines should expect a letter in the post. Garda was busy filling in his notebook. The cars were on the grass verge/footpath.

Sorry I was one of them! Probably worth the €40 fine to avoid listening to the family if I told them we had to turn around and go home cause there was no parking available

Darc19

costacorta wrote: »

Is that for everywhere in the country? Why I ask is I thought every town would have their own by -laws .. If it was that simple everyone would say they were unloading or had unloaded if they received a parking fine surely.
Also if in a private car would you be covered by insurance doing deliveries ?

The important part is "whilst loading or unloading"

If you are not actively loading or unloading, a ticket applies.

Of course you can be covered by insurance for goods in a private car.
Possibly you are collecting goods from a shop for your home, or if you are doing it as part of your work you simply get business driving added to your policy.

Marcusm

Lenar3556 wrote: »

Well there is no suggestion that this was a footpath.

The OP suggests that he/she has received an FCN supposedly for parking on yellow lines. I think it’s clear that an offence was likely to have been committed in this regard notwithstanding the fact that the car was parked on the far side (inside) of these yellow lines.

If there weren’t yellow lines or signage prohibiting parking, the situation would be less clear. Whether this area could also be considered a grass verge would need to be established. If there was no grass present, and the area was a rocky, sandy or stoned verge then parking wouldn’t necessarily be prohibited. If the alleged ‘verge’ was a large area grass or otherwise, there would also be the question of whether stage location the car was parked actually formed part of a public road in the first instance.

If there were no yellow lines the issue would not arise as, unless there was a continuous white line or parking in such a place would obstruct other vehicles (stop them passing at all), then it wouldn’t be an issue.

Marcusm

Lenar3556 wrote: »

Well there is no suggestion that this was a footpath.

The OP suggests that he/she has received an FCN supposedly for parking on yellow lines. I think it’s clear that an offence was likely to have been committed in this regard notwithstanding the fact that the car was parked on the far side (inside) of these yellow lines.

If there weren’t yellow lines or signage prohibiting parking, the situation would be less clear. Whether this area could also be considered a grass verge would need to be established. If there was no grass present, and the area was a rocky, sandy or stoned verge then parking wouldn’t necessarily be prohibited. If the alleged ‘verge’ was a large area grass or otherwise, there would also be the question of whether stage location the car was parked actually formed part of a public road in the first instance.

A footway (apologies) is any part of a road not designed for vehicles (their part is the carriageway). Any part of the road outside the carriageway (as delineated by lines where relevant) is a footway.

costacorta

Darc19 wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print

S. 5.1.e

Is that for everywhere in the country? Why I ask is I thought every town would have their own by -laws .. If it was that simple everyone would say they were unloading or had unloaded if they received a parking fine surely.
Also if in a private car would you be covered by insurance doing deliveries ?

Darc19

Lenar3556 wrote: »

No prohibition of loading / unloading on double yellow lines was news to me. - where is that stated?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print

S. 5.1.e

[Deleted User]

Marcusm wrote: »

Art 5(1)(e) of the1997 regs overrides the general prohibition for parking on double yellows for 30 minutes of loading/unloading and us not restricted to goods vehicles.

( e ) a prohibition on the parking of a vehicle imposed by article 36(2)(a) shall not apply to a vehicle parked while goods are being loaded in or on to it or unloaded from it, for a period not exceeding thirty minutes from the commencement of the parking.

Spot the guy that doesnt issue parking tickets

duffmann

Anyone who parked in Portmarnock today inside the double yellow lines should expect a letter in the post. Garda was busy filling in his notebook. The cars were on the grass verge/footpath.

athlone573

costacorta wrote: »

Short answer is NO

LOL. No to which question.

costacorta

athlone573 wrote: »

Is the mention of "goods" specific to commercial goods (or commercial taxed vehicle) in other words can I park a car outside the takeaway on double yellows while I pick up my phone order?

Short answer is NO

costacorta

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I always read it as a "goods vehicle" / commercial vehicle. I never thought it referred to private vehicles[

Lenar3556

Marcusm wrote: »

Yes, you are worse, you parked on the footpath (even if it was a grass verge).

Well there is no suggestion that this was a footpath.

The OP suggests that he/she has received an FCN supposedly for parking on yellow lines. I think it’s clear that an offence was likely to have been committed in this regard notwithstanding the fact that the car was parked on the far side (inside) of these yellow lines.

If there weren’t yellow lines or signage prohibiting parking, the situation would be less clear. Whether this area could also be considered a grass verge would need to be established. If there was no grass present, and the area was a rocky, sandy or stoned verge then parking wouldn’t necessarily be prohibited. If the alleged ‘verge’ was a large area grass or otherwise, there would also be the question of whether stage location the car was parked actually formed part of a public road in the first instance.

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athlone573 wrote:

Is the mention of "goods" specific to commercial goods (or commercial taxed vehicle) in other words can I park a car outside the takeaway on double yellows while I pick up my phone order?

I always read it as a "goods vehicle" / commercial vehicle. I never thought it referred to private vehicles

athlone573

Marcusm wrote: »

Art 5(1)(e) of the1997 regs overrides the general prohibition for parking on double yellows for 30 minutes of loading/unloading and us not restricted to goods vehicles.

( e ) a prohibition on the parking of a vehicle imposed by article 36(2)(a) shall not apply to a vehicle parked while goods are being loaded in or on to it or unloaded from it, for a period not exceeding thirty minutes from the commencement of the parking.

Is the mention of "goods" specific to commercial goods (or commercial taxed vehicle) in other words can I park a car outside the takeaway on double yellows while I pick up my phone order?

Marcusm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Where did you see this?

Art 5(1)(e) of the1997 regs overrides the general prohibition for parking on double yellows for 30 minutes of loading/unloading and us not restricted to goods vehicles.

( e ) a prohibition on the parking of a vehicle imposed by article 36(2)(a) shall not apply to a vehicle parked while goods are being loaded in or on to it or unloaded from it, for a period not exceeding thirty minutes from the commencement of the parking.

Marcusm

Zenify wrote: »

I got a fixed charge notice to pay a fine of 40eur to the guards for parking on yellow lines. There was yellow lines on the road so I parked off the road on the grass beside the road. All my wheels were off the road. Am I in the wrong here? If not how would I go about challenging it?

Yes, you are worse, you parked on the footpath (even if it was a grass verge).

kbell

@op can you post a photo or street view of the spot?

Lenar3556

Darc19 wrote: »

Checked with someone who knows this stuff.

Where there are yellow lines, they apply to both sides unless there is a clearly defined parking space.

So ticket is valid.

Re the loading/unloading. It is any vehicle but they must be actively loading and unloading throughout the duration with Max 30 min. You can't load for 5 minutes and then grab a coffee

I would agree with the first part. Even if there were no yellow lines, it would seem the area in which the OP was parked was a ‘grass verge’ and therefore parking is already prohibited otherwise. - so I would pay the FCN.

No prohibition of loading / unloading on double yellow lines was news to me. - where is that stated?

whippet

I live near a scenic spot and walk my dogs there almost every day of the year … with the lockdown and subsequent easing of restrictions inconsiderate and illegal parking has be come a total mess.

Parking up against ditches, footpaths, opposite entrances etc .. makes walking the road impossible.

The guards go down the odd day and dish out tickets but the reality is that if the car parks or safe legal places to park are full .. turn around and go somewhere else.

Darc19

Checked with someone who knows this stuff.

Where there are yellow lines, they apply to both sides unless there is a clearly defined parking space.

So ticket is valid.

Re the loading/unloading. It is any vehicle but they must be actively loading and unloading throughout the duration with Max 30 min. You can't load for 5 minutes and then grab a coffee

[Deleted User]

punisher5112 wrote: »

Any vehicle can load/unload on double yellows

Where did you see this?

elperello

Zenify wrote: »

Because it would be a popular spot to park for a scenic walk.

You can park on the same road in a few spots but there's a T junction coming from the other side of the road near where I parked so they wouldn't want cars going onto the other side of the road into the T junction. There was nothing dangerous about my parking, I was not obstructing view or causing cars to cross onto the other side of the road. I do admit I am in the wrong, but not for yellows, for parking on a grass verge &#55357;&#56839;

It was a busy weekend so all other spots were taken. If you want more of a laugh, as some posters say they would love to be in a car with me to see what I get up to. I drive for a living! I do about 200km a year and have 0 points or previous fines.

Not laughing at you at all.

Considering your posts I'd have to say again that your best option is to pay the €40 and forget about it.

Your other option is to go to court and argue that you should be allowed to circumvent the yellow lines by parking on the grass.