Van Morrison duet with Ian Paisley Jnr.

bullpost

https://www.thejournal.ie/van-morrison-ian-paisley-chant-ni-health-minister-5464427-Jun2021/

I've heard they are going to record a version of the classic Stiff Little Fingers song "Suspect Advice" next.

seaninbayarea

I’ve been a huge Van fan since the early 80s, bought nearly all his albums and seen him many times. Always overlooked his contrariness but this is a bridge too far. Very disappointing

Shaka Hislop

seaninbayarea wrote: »

I’ve been a huge Van fan since the early 80s, bought nearly all his albums and seen him many times. Always overlooked his contrariness but this is a bridge too far. Very disappointing

This is the straw that broke the camels back?
He's been spouting dangerous rubbish for years imo

Dr. Bre

Tan Morrison

seaninbayarea

Shaka Hislop wrote: »

This is the straw that broke the camels back?
He's been spouting dangerous rubbish for years imo

Pretty much.

elperello

Nothing new here.

Van has always been grumpy and Ian has always been a dope.

At least Van's saving grace is his genius.

Quantum Erasure

Prefer The Prodigy, The Pope, and Paisley Sr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g76vSJzKOB8

silliussoddius

Into the septic

onform

If you just heard the chant you might think they were saying "Robbing swans is very dangerous", which is reasonable advise. They can break a man's arm...

Dempo1

Always thought Van Morrison was a cantankerous oaf and cared liitle about anything but himself, Arrogant, belligerent are two other discriptions that come to mind. I suppose this performance (if you could call it that) typifies what the odious G** he is.

Did I mention his music is whiney S**** also

Tork

It brings to mind music journalist Mark Ellen's quote "There appeared to be two types of people in the world: those who liked Van Morrison and those who’d met him.”

dxhound2005

onform wrote: »

If you just heard the chant you might think they were saying "Robbing swans is very dangerous", which is reasonable advise. They can break a man's arm...

Can a swan break your arm? It's actually a myth, there are no reports that a swan has ever broken someone's arm. The bones in their wings are much thinner and smaller than human bones, and they're also quite hollow - experts have said they'd be more likely to break their bones if they tried to do it to a human.

dxhound2005

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Can a swan break your arm? It's actually a myth, there are no reports that a swan has ever broken someone's arm. The bones in their wings are much thinner and smaller than human bones, and they're also quite hollow - experts have said they'd be more likely to break their bones if they tried to do it to a human.

That’s ruined it now.

Thanks Dr Bird.

everlast75

Dempo1 wrote: »

Always thought Van Morrison was a cantankerous oaf and cared liitle about anything but himself, Arrogant, belligerent are two other discriptions that come to mind. I suppose this performance (if you could call it that) typifies what the odious G** he is.

Did I mention his music is whiney S**** also

There were allegations of him hitting a partner, Michelle Rocca?

Dempo1

everlast75 wrote: »

There were allegations of him hitting a partner, Michelle Rocca?

Alledged of course but I knew neighbours when he lived in Dublin and by all accounts not pleasant at all to deal with, all sorts of boundary disputes, objections odd behaviour etc

olestoepoke

I'm a big fan of his music, for me one of the greatest musical talents this island has ever produced. In my younger days I was a regular concert goer and hands down the best show I ever saw was Van in Madison Square Garden NYC, but he's always been an odd character and I was very disappointed seeing this. Was he drunk?

olestoepoke

Dempo1 wrote: »

Always thought Van Morrison was a cantankerous oaf and cared liitle about anything but himself, Arrogant, belligerent are two other discriptions that come to mind. I suppose this performance (if you could call it that) typifies what the odious G** he is.

Did I mention his music is whiney S**** also

You were doing great but you let yourself down with this quote. Van is a generational musical talent, multi-instrumentalist who is critically acclaimed throughout the world. Tickets for his concerts in the likes of the US sell out in minutes. Not bad for someone who produces "whiney ****e" eh?

ginoginelli

So disappointing that the guy who wrote into the mystic is such a twat.

elperello

elperello wrote: »

Nothing new here.

Van has always been grumpy and Ian has always been a dope.

At least Van's saving grace is his genius.

Language like 'genius' is thrown around with comical abandon when it comes to musicians. :pac:

It's what turns so many of them into insufferable twats, like Van.

So your post has it all and hits the nail on the head, even if you didn't make the connection.

Hangdogroad

It's been common knowledge for decades that hes a monumental gobshyte but hes really surpassing himself lately.

Dempo1

olestoepoke wrote: »

You were doing great but you let yourself down with this quote. Van is a generational musical talent, multi-instrumentalist who is critically acclaimed throughout the world. Tickets for his concerts in the likes of the US sell out in minutes. Not bad for someone who produces "whiney ****e" eh?

Fair point but I've never subscribed to discribing a sound akin to a screeching Banshee having a tooth extraction Genius. Just on his concerts, I've heard tell of as many dissapointed fans as happy ones, the impression generally being, he'd much rather be somewhere else. I saw a post recently where it appears his entire performance was done with his back to the audience. No doubting his success, I'm just flummoxed as to how it happened to be honest.

The Master

Fair play to Van for standing up for something he believes in....

He's a musician who's lived through the US civil rights movement and of course The Troubles without writing a song about it

But ask the cúnt to wash his hands and he releases a protest album and tries to take the country to court

Loafing Oaf

Shaka Hislop wrote: »

This is the straw that broke the camels back?
He's been spouting dangerous rubbish for years imo

He's real real gone now though.

dxhound2005

OSI wrote: »

A swan broke my cousins arm and collar bone.

She was walking by a lake and tripped and fell into one of those swan pedalos.

And of course the Robin Swan is capable of doing severe damage. I wonder how much thought his parents put into coming up with the name Robin Swann.

In the local paper I saw a report about a man called Fechin Rath winning a Pitch'n'Putt match.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/droghedaindependent/localnotes/termonfeckin-27164454.html

olestoepoke

Dempo1 wrote: »

Fair point but I've never subscribed to discribing a sound akin to a screeching Banshee having a tooth extraction Genius. Just on his concerts, I've heard tell of as many dissapointed fans as happy ones, the impression generally being, he'd much rather be somewhere else. I saw a post recently where it appears his entire performance was done with his back to the audience. No doubting his success, I'm just flummoxed as to how it happened to be honest.

He was and is successful because he is insanely talented, simple as that. You don't like his music which is fair enough. I'm not crazy about U2 never really got the hype but I recognise they are a talented group of guys who have a worldwide fanbase. As for bad live performances, what you described sounded a lot like Bob Dylan. Are you also flummoxed by his success?

biko

The "I don't like Van Morrison" train is leaving the Botanic railway station at 5.15.

Dempo1

olestoepoke wrote: »

He was and is successful because he is insanely talented, simple as that. You don't like his music which is fair enough. I'm not crazy about U2 never really got the hype but I recognise they are a talented group of guys who have a worldwide fanbase. As for bad live performances, what you described sounded a lot like Bob Dylan. Are you also flummoxed by his success?

U2 as a group simply and consistantly excellent, the same could be said for Bob Dylan. Bono is an ass but not hateful, spiteful mean etc, Morrison to his fans is no doubt excellent too albeit he's a bit like Marmite. Having talent doesn't I believe excuse rudeness, biligerence, ignorance etc. Aside from the man I can't abide, can I be forgiven for not liking his music, which is quite simply Gik.

Fuascailteoir

olestoepoke wrote: »

He was and is successful because he is insanely talented, simple as that. You don't like his music which is fair enough. I'm not crazy about U2 never really got the hype but I recognise they are a talented group of guys who have a worldwide fanbase. As for bad live performances, what you described sounded a lot like Bob Dylan. Are you also flummoxed by his success?

The days of having to have a lot of talent to obtain fame and fortune are over decades ago.

padd b1975

Van jumped the shark 25 years ago when he did a duet with Cliff Richard.

Tork

I've always thought he was over-rated and that he got away with being an arsehole because journalists fawned over him. Is he really that talented or are people giving him too much leeway based on some albums he made decades ago?

olestoepoke

Dempo1 wrote: »

U2 as a group simply and consistantly excellent, the same could be said for Bob Dylan. Bono is an ass but not hateful, spiteful mean etc, Morrison to his fans is no doubt excellent too albeit he's a bit like Marmite. Having talent doesn't I believe excuse rudeness, biligerence, ignorance etc. Aside from the man I can't abide, can I be forgiven for not liking his music, which is quite simply Gik.

Fair enough, but I suggest you go back to you original post calling his music ****e and insert the words "In my opinion"

MeepMeep2021

MeepMeep2021 wrote: »

Language like 'genius' is thrown around with comical abandon when it comes to musicians. :pac:

It's what turns so many of them into insufferable twats, like Van.

So your post has it all and hits the nail on the head, even if you didn't make the connection.

He’s generally considered a musical genius. As far as modem popular music goes anyway. Astral weeks is certainly great.

Loafing Oaf

Now that Van's palling round with the DUP, can we expect his next release to be "Sammy Wilson Said"?

Dempo1

olestoepoke wrote: »

Fair enough, but I suggest you go back to you original post calling his music ****e and insert the words "In my opinion"

Apologies, his music is Gik, S****, whiny and ear piercing, "In My Humble Opinion"

10000maniacs

MeepMeep2021 wrote: »

Language like 'genius' is thrown around with comical abandon when it comes to musicians. :pac:

It's what turns so many of them into insufferable twats, like Van.

So your post has it all and hits the nail on the head, even if you didn't make the connection.

You analyse a lot of his lyrics and they boil down to muddled garbage. Not genius, just gibberish.
"We were born before the wind".....What?
It was the session musicians who shaped his crowning achievement Astral Weeks, check out the Bang Masters version of Astral Weeks and you will know what I mean.
A lot of his 80's and 90's material is derived from other artists.
Listen to "Queen of the Slipstream" and then to Odyssey's "If you are Looking for a way out". It's almost Van doing Karaoke.

olestoepoke

Tork wrote: »

I've always thought he was over-rated and that he got away with being an arsehole because journalists fawned over him. Is he really that talented or are people giving him too much leeway based on some albums he made decades ago?

The Last Waltz is hailed as one of the greatest documentary concert films ever made. In 2019, the film was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the National Film Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant. Martin Scorsese's movie had the likes of muddy waters, Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan, Neil young, Neil diamond to name a few. Eric Clapton along with many many critics wrote that Van Morrison "Stole the show" in what was a gathering of the worlds most talented and successful musicians in the world. Van the man is a tool and by all means attack the mans character but anyone doubting his musical talent hasn't a clue what they are talking about.

Gregor Samsa

It’s weird. I’ve a vivid memory from my childhood of seeing a televised duet of Van and Shane MacGowan singing “Gloria”, but at the chorus, Shano kept shouting “G.L.O.I.R.A.”

Can’t find a video or reference to it anywhere, so now I don’t know if it really happened or not.

olestoepoke

10000maniacs wrote: »

You analyse a lot of his lyrics and they boil down to muddled garbage. Not genius, just gibberish.
"We were born before the wind".....What?
It was the session musicians who shaped his crowning achievement Astral Weeks, check out the Bang Masters version of Astral Weeks and you will know what I mean.
A lot of his 80's and 90's material is derived from other artists.
Listen to "Queen of the Slipstream" and then to Odyssey's "If you are Looking for a way out". It's almost Van doing Karaoke.

Would you also consider much of what Bob Dylan has written "muddled garbage"? And if so do you also question his talent or genius?

Genre..

olestoepoke wrote: »

Would you also consider much of what Bob Dylan has written "muddled garbage"? And if so do you also question his talent or genius?

I can still listen to Dylan

Can't listen to Van anymore

Gregor Samsa

olestoepoke wrote: »

The Last Waltz is hailed as one of the greatest documentary concert films ever made. In 2019, the film was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the National Film Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant.

So what you’re saying is that it’s up there with Shrek.

https://www.vulture.com/2020/12/national-film-registry-2020-dark-knight-grease-and-shrek.html

olestoepoke

Genre.. wrote: »

I can still listen to Dylan

Can't listen to Van anymore

That didnt answer the question, nicely dodged answering it in fact.

Genre..

olestoepoke wrote: »

That didnt answer the question, nicely dodged answering it in fact.

Bod Dylan is powerful and poetic

Unlike van imo

The J Stands for Jay

Dempo1 wrote: »

Always thought Van Morrison was a cantankerous oaf and cared liitle about anything but himself, Arrogant, belligerent are two other discriptions that come to mind. I suppose this performance (if you could call it that) typifies what the odious G** he is.

Did I mention his music is whiney S**** also

All the crap he saw happening around him over the years, and not one protests song. Someone tries to stop people from contracting a barus during a global pandemic and he decides it's too much .

The J Stands for Jay

The Master wrote: »

Fair play to Van for standing up for something he believes in....

He's a musician who's lived through the US civil rights movement and of course The Troubles without writing a song about it

But ask the cúnt to wash his hands and he releases a protest album and tries to take the country to court

This is much better than what I wrote.

olestoepoke

Genre.. wrote: »

Bod Dylan is powerful and poetic

Unlike van imo

What about Dylans lyrics? Are they "Muddled garbage" too?

endacl

olestoepoke wrote: »

The Last Waltz is hailed as one of the greatest documentary concert films ever made. In 2019, the film was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the National Film Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant. Martin Scorsese's movie had the likes of muddy waters, Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan, Neil young, Neil diamond to name a few. Eric Clapton along with many many critics wrote that Van Morrison "Stole the show" in what was a gathering of the worlds most talented and successful musicians in the world. Van the man is a tool and by all means attack the mans character but anyone doubting his musical talent hasn't a clue what they are talking about.

Jersey Shore is also in the Library of Congress. I wouldn’t lean on that as a barometer of brilliance…

KaneToad

I love Van's music. I wish I had a fraction of his talent.

As a person, from what I've read, he's not someone I would ever like to spend time with. I'm sure he's devastated to hear that...

ginoginelli

10000maniacs wrote: »

You analyse a lot of his lyrics and they boil down to muddled garbage. Not genius, just gibberish.
"We were born before the wind".....What?
It was the session musicians who shaped his crowning achievement Astral Weeks, check out the Bang Masters version of Astral Weeks and you will know what I mean.
A lot of his 80's and 90's material is derived from other artists.
Listen to "Queen of the Slipstream" and then to Odyssey's "If you are Looking for a way out". It's almost Van doing Karaoke.

A lot of great songs have nonsensical lyrics but the melodies more than make up for jt.

As for sessions musicians and borrowing/stealing from other artists. Everyone does that. The Beatles, THe Stones, Bowie, I could go on and on.

That's how basically every song is made. An artist takes something and puts his/her spin on it Theres no originals.

Veedon fleece is better than astral weeks btw imo. The whole album is magical.

Genre..

ginoginelli wrote: »

A lot of great songs have nonsensical lyrics but the melodies more than make up for jt.

As for sessions musicians and borrowing/stealing from other artists. Everyone does that. The Beatles, THe Stones, Bowie, I could go on and on.

That's how basically every song is made. An artist takes something and puts his/her spin on it Theres no originals.

Veedon fleece is better than astral weeks btw imo. The whole album is magical.

True enough

Even Einstein with his original thought was largely working off existing material

Ash.J.Williams

Van made it big in LA and would have been something the doors aspired to be , just to give it some context

Ash.J.Williams

Genre.. wrote: »

True enough

Even Einstein with his original thought was largely working off existing material

There are originals it’s just the public generally don’t understand it , they’re what’s known as “bands bands “