Remote working - the future?

Flinty997

People have probably already taken pay cuts by not applying for jobs that are impossible to commute to on a daily basis.

That's just normal life.

Antares35

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Let's see how things pan out in one, five and ten years ( very few companies can get out of existing leases quickly).

Almost like you're wishing that people will be forced back into the office. Where's that team spirit you keep parping on about?

fits

Flinty997 wrote: »

People have probably already taken pay cuts by not applying for jobs that are impossible to commute to on a daily basis.

That's just normal life.

I moved role during pandemic. It would not actually be physically possible for me to go to office full time. So it’s hybrid or nothing for me unfortunately. But opportunity was there and I took it for while I can do it anyway.

tooth*grinder

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

So do you. And good luck to you too.

Let's see how things pan out in one, five and ten years ( very few companies can get out of existing leases quickly).

Yep - no matter how many times I read this, I still can't make it make basic sense.

But if I can take a stab at what you mean - what do I care what my or any other company does with its lease? I dare say Dublin office real estate (much like the rest of property in Dublin) is well over due a correction from its artifically high levels. Companies will need less space and will move unless given a better deal, this is basic free market economics. The other side of that coin is how are the office properties such as the very expensive ones in georgian dublin going to fare with new health and safety regulations on ventilation, social distancing etc? Not very well as moderising such properties is pretty much imposible, they're in for a hammering.

As for the wait an see element of your comment, the toothpaste is out of the tube, there is no going back to pre covid times, I've no idea what that it will entail, but I'm certain the way it was is gone.

Sunny Disposition

tooth*grinder wrote: »

Yep - no matter how many times I read this, I still can't make it make basic sense.

But if I can take a stab at what you mean - what do I care what my or any other company does with its lease? I dare say Dublin office real estate (much like the rest of property in Dublin) is well over due a correction from its artifically high levels. Companies will need less space and will move unless given a better deal, this is basic free market economics. The other side of that coin is how are the office properties such as the very expensive ones in georgian dublin going to fare with new health and safety regulations on ventilation, social distancing etc? Not very well as moderising such properties is pretty much imposible, they're in for a hammering.

As for the wait an see element of your comment, the toothpaste is out of the tube, there is no going back to pre covid times, I've no idea what that it will entail, but I'm certain the way it was is gone.

This is what gets lost a surprising amount of the time.
If companies are paying for office space they don't need they're at a disadvantage, they won't be able to pay as much to staff for one thing. There's a tradition of work being a constant battle between owners and workers, maybe that's the reason people think their employer wants to have an office rather than have remote staff. But it's obviously in every employer's interests not to pay rent if they don't have to. The only businesses that wouldn't benefit from having less office space are those that own buildings. Some very big ones might see a benefit in terms of culture or whatnot, but very few will think the savings don't make up for it.

pryingEyes999

Am looking for a role right now in specialised electronic engineering and my number one question is remote working. The area I am in now has no companies in this field, so ideally I could get something in Dublin with the option to come into the office once a week. (In an ideal world)

Mrs OBumble

tooth*grinder wrote: »

Yep - no matter how many times I read this, I still can't make it make basic sense.

But if I can take a stab at what you mean - what do I care what my or any other company does with its lease?

How long do you think is left to run on your company's existing leases?

What do you think would happen if your company just moved out and stopped paying the rent, while continuing to trade profitably?

How do you think that a company which has no physical presence will market itself to potential new customers?

Mrs OBumble

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

How do you think that a company which has no physical presence...

Again with the lies.

Antares35

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

How do you think that a company which has no physical presence will market itself to potential new customers?

There was me mistakenly thinking it was 2021.

tooth*grinder

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

How long do you think is left to run on your company's existing leases?

What do you think would happen if your company just moved out and stopped paying the rent, while continuing to trade profitably?

How do you think that a company which has no physical presence will market itself to potential new customers?

Again utter la la land stuff.
If any company 'just moved out' and stopped paying rent they would be pursued in the courts. Really don't see what relevance this has to WFH.

My company owns their own building. Which they will be better able to maximise in years to come rather than having to pack em in and pack em tight.

Where exactly did you get the idea that mine or any other company wants to have no offices exactly?
On the broader point, not having an office and attracting new clients would depend entirely on the size of the company surely? But again, this HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WORKING FROM HOME.

Young_gunner

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0628/1231783-tanaiste-on-remote-working/

Looks like the Govt is actually serious about remote working, great to see

zweton

Young_gunner wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0628/1231783-tanaiste-on-remote-working/

Looks like the Govt is actually serious about remote working, great to see

yip great to see.

completedit

From my office, my guess is that younger, inexperienced and newer staff will have to come in while the older more established ones won't, or at least not as much.

pleasant Co.

Young_gunner wrote: »

Link

Looks like the Govt is actually serious about remote working, great to see

Brilliant, looking forward to seeing where this goes.

High fives all round, guys.

Neato.

Swindled

completedit wrote: »

From my office, my guess is that younger, inexperienced and newer staff will have to come in while the older more established ones won't, or at least not as much.

Sounds about right, and the correct approach.

Interested Observer

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

How long do you think is left to run on your company's existing leases?

What do you think would happen if your company just moved out and stopped paying the rent, while continuing to trade profitably?

Why would I, an employee, care about this in the slightest? I do not care about my company's lease, it is irrelevant to me

How do you think that a company which has no physical presence will market itself to potential new customers?

Literally how any company that operates online does it.

zweton

https://tech.eu/brief/international-employment-platform-boundless-raises-e2-5-million/

ineedeuro

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

How long do you think is left to run on your company's existing leases?

What do you think would happen if your company just moved out and stopped paying the rent, while continuing to trade profitably?

How do you think that a company which has no physical presence will market itself to potential new customers?

To answer
We have 2 years left on lease

They wouldn’t move out without closing up with landlord as any good tenant should do

I can count on one hand how many of my customer know the location of our office, the rest couldn’t care less. We have moved office before and nobody even realised, one customer thought we just done a renovation and forgot the location of old office

If we closed the whole place down tomorrow my customers wouldn’t care less, probably ask for a discount as we don’t have rent to pay

In this day and age an office to market yourself? You will get more coverage for going zero office

hardyian

Productivity may have gone up, many employees report feeling anxious and burned out. Unless leaders address the sources of employee anxiety, pandemic-style productivity gains may prove unsustainable in the future. That’s because anxiety is known to reduce job satisfaction, negatively affect interpersonal relationships with colleagues, and decrease work performance.

Dyr

Deleted User wrote: »

High fives all round, guys.

Neato.

There will be zero teeth to the legislation, all apsirational fluff.

Amadan Dubh

hardyian wrote: »

Productivity may have gone up, many employees report feeling anxious and burned out. Unless leaders address the sources of employee anxiety, pandemic-style productivity gains may prove unsustainable in the future. That’s because anxiety is known to reduce job satisfaction, negatively affect interpersonal relationships with colleagues, and decrease work performance.

Thinking of the commute gives me anxiety and I would be wrecked by the time I'd get to the office so I'd likely not start working straight away. Then I'd be out the gap at 5:30 on the button to catch the train, not really wanting to get something done at a trade off to missing my train! Repeating this process would make me tired and therefore stressed and less productive at work.

hardyian

hardyian wrote: »

Productivity may have gone up, many employees report feeling anxious and burned out. Unless leaders address the sources of employee anxiety, pandemic-style productivity gains may prove unsustainable in the future. That’s because anxiety is known to reduce job satisfaction, negatively affect interpersonal relationships with colleagues, and decrease work performance.

Yeah, commuting to work and being in a stuffy office without the convenience of home really makes me feel anxious. That's why I was so productive this past year.

Unless leaders address the sources of employee anxiety, pandemic-style productivity gains may prove unsustainable in the future. That’s because anxiety is known to reduce job satisfaction, negatively affect interpersonal relationships with colleagues, and decrease work performance.

cronos

hardyian wrote: »

Productivity may have gone up, many employees report feeling anxious and burned out. Unless leaders address the sources of employee anxiety, pandemic-style productivity gains may prove unsustainable in the future. That’s because anxiety is known to reduce job satisfaction, negatively affect interpersonal relationships with colleagues, and decrease work performance.

Funnily enough "Employees report" tends to be a summary spun by what HR want and really HR are just senior management stooges, thus it's a spin HR want. Competition will eliminate companies that try to pull this. If you are so concerned about their feelings let them choose to work from home or within the office. Now you can make a good argument to say they should be within commuting distance so that teams can meet up at short notice if it's necessary, but that can be done at a wework.

Young_gunner

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, commuting to work and being in a stuffy office without the convenience of home really makes me feel anxious. That's why I was so productive this past year.

Unless leaders address the sources of employee anxiety, pandemic-style productivity gains may prove unsustainable in the future. That’s because anxiety is known to reduce job satisfaction, negatively affect interpersonal relationships with colleagues, and decrease work performance.

Yes, totally. back in 2019, I was happy enough to commute and wfh 1 day per week, but the past 16 months mean I cannot revert back to that mindset. I am sure many many people feel the same way.

A lady in our office has bought a house in Limerick and is simply not going to move back to Dublin, she has worked perfectly fine from there in the last 16 months.
This is the future.

4 people share how being able to work remotely forever has changed their lives: ‘I don’t have to choose between work and family’

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/01/as-return-to-office-debates-rage-fully-remote-workers-embrace-freedom.html

hello2020

zweton wrote: »

https://tech.eu/brief/international-employment-platform-boundless-raises-e2-5-million/

wonder what will now stop these "REMOTE" jobs from being outsourced to cheaper countries like India or Philippines!!

ELM327

hello2020 wrote: »

wonder what will now stop these "REMOTE" jobs from being outsourced to cheaper countries like India or Philippines!!

The same things that always did.
Quality of work, access to EU market, talent acquisition and retention

Make no mistake, jobs were being outsourced before covid. Location is not the preventer you seem to think.

bilbot79

Didn't some CEO (BNY I think) say recently 'if you want New York money you have to live in New York.

tooth*grinder

ELM327 wrote: »

The same things that always did.
Quality of work, access to EU market, talent acquisition and retention

Make no mistake, jobs were being outsourced before covid. Location is not the preventer you seem to think.

not to mention the GDPR and the whole exporting of EU data to places that don't have a comparable level of data security.