emigration

BenDover2020

So, when all this is over and the country is on its knees (again) and we're expected to pay higher taxes and save the day (again) and with no real chance of owning our own home due to Gov policy from the last time. what are peoples plans?

For me it just feels like there is nothing for us here now due to complete miss management and a horrible unlevel playing field with all the news of the vulture funds recently. This country is rotten to the core and it will only get worse. My options are probably Canada or New Zealand as I have some friends over there from the last mass emigration.

So what are everyones plans?

YFlyer

BenDover2020 wrote: »

So, when all this is over and the country is on its knees (again) and we're expected to pay higher taxes and save the day (again) and with no real chance of owning our own home due to Gov policy from the last time. what are peoples plans?

For me it just feels like there is nothing for us here now due to complete miss management and a horrible unlevel playing field with all the news of the vulture funds recently. This country is rotten to the core and it will only get worse. My options are probably Canada or New Zealand as I have some friends over there from the last mass emigration.

So what are everyones plans?

Newstalk mentioned a couple of weeks ago that younger population us financially worse off than the older.

Pauliedragon

Maybe back to OZ for me but from talking to people there It's not the peaches and roses that media here are reporting although much better than here. NZ could be an option. I'll give it time and see.

BenDover2020

YFlyer wrote: »

Newstalk mentioned a couple of weeks ago that younger population us financially worse off than the older.

Certainly feels that way with the odds stacked against the youth. Its hard to believe this is all Gov policy that has caused this. They should be ashamed of themselves

YFlyer

BenDover2020 wrote: »

Certainly feels that way with the odds stacked against the youth. Its hard to believe this is all Gov policy that has caused this. They should be ashamed of themselves

Was sad listening.

KungPao

Have a mortgage with a nice balance to pay off, so ain’t going anywhere. Luckily I have a secure job, so does the wife.

So I’ll be sticking it out, and paying more taxes while beer in the offie costs more, gas bill costs more, every bloody thing costs more.

SEPT 23 1989

It’s always been rotten to the core but it’s not a bad country to live in either

BenDover2020

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

It’s always been rotten to the core but it’s not a bad country to live in either

It's a relatively safe country, i'll give you that but it's by no means " not a bad country to live in" It's a kip, but a safe kip

Exceltrup

BenDover2020 wrote: »

So, when all this is over and the country is on its knees (again) and we're expected to pay higher taxes and save the day (again) and with no real chance of owning our own home due to Gov policy from the last time. what are peoples plans?

For me it just feels like there is nothing for us here now due to complete miss management and a horrible unlevel playing field with all the news of the vulture funds recently. This country is rotten to the core and it will only get worse. My options are probably Canada or New Zealand as I have some friends over there from the last mass emigration.

So what are everyones plans?

I never understood how people can talk about Irelands housimg crisis, and in the same breath talk about New Zealand (average house price in Aukland $1.1 million) and Canada ( average house price in Vancouver $1.3 million.)

Timmyr

BenDover2020 wrote: »

So, when all this is over and the country is on its knees (again) and we're expected to pay higher taxes and save the day (again) and with no real chance of owning our own home due to Gov policy from the last time. what are peoples plans?

For me it just feels like there is nothing for us here now due to complete miss management and a horrible unlevel playing field with all the news of the vulture funds recently. This country is rotten to the core and it will only get worse. My options are probably Canada or New Zealand as I have some friends over there from the last mass emigration.

So what are everyones plans?

I'm in NZ and it's a great country, but home ownership here is way more expensive than Ireland
Plus, borders will likely be closed for the foreseeable future and even when they do open there are very strict immigration policies being introduced

BenDover2020

Exceltrup wrote: »

I never understood how people can talk about Irelands housimg crisis, and in the same breath talk about New Zealand (average house price in Aukland $1.1 million) and Canada ( average house price in Vancouver $1.3 million.)

Who said anything about Aukland or Vancouver?

Murph85

Once we keep the long term welfare class here, who cares!

Exceltrup

BenDover2020 wrote: »

Who said anything about Aukland or Vancouver?

Ok, I'll bite! Average house prices are as follows:
NZ: $800,000
Canada: $716,000
Ireland: $407,000 (CAD) $467,000 (NZD)

BenDover2020

Exceltrup wrote: »

Ok, I'll bite! Average house prices are as follows:
NZ: $800,000
Canada: $716,000
Ireland: $407,000 (CAD) $467,000 (NZD)

Bite???? get a grip pal.
I won't be buying, I'll be renting in a much better country than this kip and hopefully have a much better standard of living. Wages are much higher also.

If you're so happy with this place please tell me why?

Exceltrup

BenDover2020 wrote: »

Bite???? get a grip pal.
I won't be buying, I'll be renting in a much better country than this kip and hopefully have a much better standard of living. Wages are much higher also.

If you're so happy with this place please tell me why?

Renting in a much better country than.this "kip" as you call it. New Zealand and Canada both have infamously high rents, and lower median salaries than Ireland. Also worth noting that the homeless rate per 10,000 is higher in both countries.

Ireland isn't without its problems, but I've lived in the US, Canada and Paris, and frankly people don't know how good we have it.

What makes you think New Zealand or Canada is the land of milk and honey?

CageWager

Anyone under the age of 35 who is single with no kids is crazy to stay in Ireland. Hard to see anything going in the right direction - rising cost of living with stagnant wages.

I recommend people get more creative with their choice of destination than the usual Oz/NZ/Canada thing. Lots of fabulous countries in Asia and Latin America where you can have an excellent standard of living.

dxhound2005

CageWager wrote: »

Anyone under the age of 35 who is single with no kids is crazy to stay in Ireland. Hard to see anything going in the right direction - rising cost of living with stagnant wages.

I recommend people get more creative with their choice of destination than the usual Oz/NZ/Canada thing. Lots of fabulous countries in Asia and Latin America where you can have an excellent standard of living.

People are complaining that Ireland is too crowded with a population of 5 million. You are recommending places with cities double that.

BenDover2020

Exceltrup wrote: »

Renting in a much better country than.this "kip" as you call it. New Zealand and Canada both have infamously high rents, and lower median salaries than Ireland. Also worth noting that the homeless rate per 10,000 is higher in both countries.

Ireland isn't without its problems, but I've lived in the US, Canada and Paris, and frankly people don't know how good we have it.

What makes you think New Zealand or Canada is the land of milk and honey?

frankly people don't know how good we have it. haha now who's looking for someone to bite.

What makes you think New Zealand or Canada is the land of milk and honey?.......politician response there with a question answering a question.... i asked why Ireland is so great??

Mad_maxx

BenDover2020 wrote: »

So, when all this is over and the country is on its knees (again) and we're expected to pay higher taxes and save the day (again) and with no real chance of owning our own home due to Gov policy from the last time. what are peoples plans?

For me it just feels like there is nothing for us here now due to complete miss management and a horrible unlevel playing field with all the news of the vulture funds recently. This country is rotten to the core and it will only get worse. My options are probably Canada or New Zealand as I have some friends over there from the last mass emigration.

So what are everyones plans?

average property in NZ is a good 30% more expensive than in Ireland , both Auckland and Wellington are more expensive than Dublin despite lower wages

dxhound2005

BenDover2020 wrote: »

frankly people don't know how good we have it. haha now who's looking for someone to bite.

What makes you think New Zealand or Canada is the land of milk and honey?.......politician response there with a question answering a question.... i asked why Ireland is so great??

You are travelling 12,000 miles in the hope of a better standard of living. Not a great plan.

pgj2015

BenDover2020 wrote: »

It's a relatively safe country, i'll give you that but it's by no means " not a bad country to live in" It's a kip, but a safe kip

Yeah a country with schemes like Back to Education Allowance and Back to Work Enterprise Allowance, it really is a kip. :rolleyes:

its a great country but the sooner people stop moaning and blaming the government for their problems the better. we have it too good in this country. That is Irelands biggest problem.

BenDover2020

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You are travelling 12,000 miles in the hope of a better standard of living. Not a great plan.

I have nothing set in stone. That's kind of the point of this thread... to get ideas.

One thing is sure I'll be part of this new generation that will be on a plane out of this sh1thole as soon as things settle.

Exceltrup

BenDover2020 wrote: »

frankly people don't know how good we have it. haha now who's looking for someone to bite.

What makes you think New Zealand or Canada is the land of milk and honey?.......politician response there with a question answering a question.... i asked why Ireland is so great??

Ireland is no. 2 on the HDI, behind only Norway. Salaries in Ireland are higher than both of the countries you mentioned and one of the highest in the EU, behind Luxemborg/Swiss.

FDI is also much larger here than in Canada or NZ, with much better oppourtunitues with global names.

I mean, how much more do you want? I think a big issue with Ireland is that we're filled with doom merchants and pariahs who will always bitch and moan that the grass is greener.

Mad_maxx

Exceltrup wrote: »

Renting in a much better country than.this "kip" as you call it. New Zealand and Canada both have infamously high rents, and lower median salaries than Ireland. Also worth noting that the homeless rate per 10,000 is higher in both countries.

Ireland isn't without its problems, but I've lived in the US, Canada and Paris, and frankly people don't know how good we have it.

What makes you think New Zealand or Canada is the land of milk and honey?

while i knew wages were lower in NZ than ireland , i had thought wages were higher in Canada than here ? , Canada is a much wealthier country than NZ

Exceltrup

Mad_maxx wrote: »

average property in NZ is a good 30% more expensive than in Ireland , both Auckland and Wellington are more expensive than Dublin despite lower wages

I've explaines this to OP already. They won't listen.

Exceltrup

Mad_maxx wrote: »

while i knew wages were lower in NZ than ireland , i had thought wages were higher in Canada than here , Canada is a much wealthier country than NZ

$54000 CAD, which is about 36000 euro

HBC08

BenDover2020 wrote: »

So, when all this is over and the country is on its knees (again) and we're expected to pay higher taxes and save the day (again) and with no real chance of owning our own home due to Gov policy from the last time. what are peoples plans?

For me it just feels like there is nothing for us here now due to complete miss management and a horrible unlevel playing field with all the news of the vulture funds recently. This country is rotten to the core and it will only get worse. My options are probably Canada or New Zealand as I have some friends over there from the last mass emigration.

So what are everyones plans?

Were you paying taxes and "saving the day" the last time around?

ulster

BenDover2020 wrote: »

So, when all this is over and the country is on its knees (again) and we're expected to pay higher taxes and save the day (again) and with no real chance of owning our own home due to Gov policy from the last time. what are peoples plans?

For me it just feels like there is nothing for us here now due to complete miss management and a horrible unlevel playing field with all the news of the vulture funds recently. This country is rotten to the core and it will only get worse. My options are probably Canada or New Zealand as I have some friends over there from the last mass emigration.

So what are everyones plans?

Moving to Letterkenny and renting a 2 bed for 600 euro. And having a good laugh at yokes in Dublin paying 2600 for the same.

BenDover2020

pgj2015 wrote: »

Yeah a country with schemes like Back to Education Allowance and Back to Work Enterprise Allowance, it really is a kip. :rolleyes:

its a great country but the sooner people stop moaning and blaming the government for their problems the better. we have it too good in this country. That is Irelands biggest problem.

Just one question? are you from Dublin??? i'm willing to wager you're not.

pgj2015

BenDover2020 wrote: »

Just one question? are you from Dublin??? i'm willing to wager you're not.

Im not no. why do you ask?

I thought this thread was about how $hit Ireland is?

Mad_maxx

Exceltrup wrote: »

$54000 CAD, which is about 36000 euro

could you provide a link for that please ?

that surprises me

Timmyr

BenDover2020 wrote: »

Bite???? get a grip pal.
I won't be buying, I'll be renting in a much better country than this kip and hopefully have a much better standard of living. Wages are much higher also.

If you're so happy with this place please tell me why?

Cant speak for Canada, but wages are definitely lower in NZ than they are in Ireland, and cost of living is much higher in NZ
Plus, renting here is crazy expensive
this is your average urban rental rental https://www.realestate.co.nz/4017958/residential/rental/30319-surreycrescentgrey-lynn

Timmyr

Mad_maxx wrote: »

could you provide a link for that please ?

that surprises me

https://www.jobillico.com/blog/en/the-average-canadian-salary-in-2020/

Exceltrup

Mad_maxx wrote: »

could you provide a link for that please ?

that surprises me

Sure:

https://www.jobillico.com/blog/en/the-average-canadian-salary-in-2020/

Will of course be higher at either coast

BenDover2020

HBC08 wrote: »

Were you paying taxes and "saving the day" the last time around?

Yes i was. wby???

Fandymo

dxhound2005 wrote: »

People are complaining that Ireland is too crowded with a population of 5 million. You are recommending places with cities double that.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone claim Ireland is overcrowded.

dxhound2005

BenDover2020 wrote: »

I have nothing set in stone. That's kind of the point of this thread... to get ideas.

One thing is sure I'll be part of this new generation that will be on a plane out of this sh1thole as soon as things settle.

Even this early into the thread I think it's clear that you will be worse off if you go to New Zealand.

Timmyr

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Even this early into the thread I think it's clear that you will be worse off if you go to New Zealand.

Money wise that is correct but I absolutely love it here in NZ

CageWager

dxhound2005 wrote: »

People are complaining that Ireland is too crowded with a population of 5 million. You are recommending places with cities double that.

To the point I was making - stay away from the well worn path of capital cities and well known destinations. There are loads of 3rd/4th tier cities in emerging nations that provide excellent standard of living. With Western wages from remote working or freelancing you can live like a king in these smaller cities so you won’t have to worry about overcrowding.

HBC08

BenDover2020 wrote: »

Yes i was. wby???

Because there's fairly strict visa requirements for both Canada and NZ,you're most likely nearing 30 or older than that now.
It's much harder to get a visa after 30.
I also get the feeling you'd still be moaning and calling the place a kip.

Mad_maxx

I wonder is the kiwi and canadian media obsessed with homelessness and housing ?

dxhound2005

Fandymo wrote: »

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone claim Ireland is overcrowded.

Go to the thread which is about our population reaching 5 million probably later this year. The first response was that it is 2 million too many.

PommieBast

BenDover2020 wrote: »

So what are everyones plans?

I'm in the process of moving back to the UK because for all its faults at least over there I am able to get on with my life. UK has basically committed to opening up fully next month, whereas the Ireland is talking about extending lockdown powers until November..

dxhound2005

CageWager wrote: »

To the point I was making - stay away from the well worn path of capital cities and well known destinations. There are loads of 3rd/4th tier cities in emerging nations that provide excellent standard of living. With Western wages from remote working or freelancing you can live like a king in these smaller cities so you won’t have to worry about overcrowding.

It is conditions like that which is attracting so many immigrants into Ireland.

PeggyShippen

CageWager wrote: »

To the point I was making - stay away from the well worn path of capital cities and well known destinations. There are loads of 3rd/4th tier cities in emerging nations that provide excellent standard of living. With Western wages from remote working or freelancing you can live like a king in these smaller cities so you won’t have to worry about overcrowding.

To be honest, I'm in the UK 8 years and it's a great country. Brexit isn't an issue. The cost of living is much lower than Ireland . Outside of London and certain parts of the big cities or wealthy south Eastern counties house prices are good. Its a great place. I come from a FG conservative background and I vote conservative here as does my wife who's European. You can talk about NZ or Oz and they are both good countries. Id move to any English-speaking country really.

dxhound2005

PommieBast wrote: »

I'm in the process of moving back to the UK because for all its faults at least over there I am able to get on with my life. UK has basically committed to opening up fully next month, whereas the Ireland is talking about extending lockdown powers until November..

The UK is a few miles away from where I am. Seems much the same as here.

pgj2015

PommieBast wrote: »

I'm in the process of moving back to the UK because for all its faults at least over there I am able to get on with my life. UK has basically committed to opening up fully next month, whereas the Ireland is talking about extending lockdown powers until November..

And who said the UK are right? maybe we are the smart ones when it comes to covid plans. its not like they dealt with covid so brilliantly.

Timmyr

HBC08 wrote: »

Because there's fairly strict visa requirements for both Canada and NZ,you're most likely nearing 30 or older than that now.
It's much harder to get a visa after 30.
I also get the feeling you'd still be moaning and calling the place a kip.

Good point, once you hit 30 youre not getting into NZ unless you are highly skilled in a profession that is on the long term skills shortage list

pgj2015

op you never explained why you guessed the fact I don't live in Dublin.

StupidLikeAFox

BenDover2020 wrote: »

Bite???? get a grip pal.
I won't be buying, I'll be renting in a much better country than this kip and hopefully have a much better standard of living. Wages are much higher also.

If you're so happy with this place please tell me why?

Tbh if you are willing to write off an entire first world country of 5m people as a "kip", if you are blaming all your problems on the governmeny or officialdom, you wont be any happier abroad

Unless your basis for ireland being a kip is the weather, in which case I wish you the best of luck

Greyfox

BenDover2020 wrote: »

It's a relatively safe country, i'll give you that but it's by no means " not a bad country to live in" It's a kip, but a safe kip

Ireland is one of the 10 best places in the world to live, i tried living abroad and hated it. If you think Ireland is a kip then you dont know what a kip actually is.