So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

King Mob · 08-12-2021 2:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118290112#Comment_118290112

Ok. So you argee that aliens have never been a explanation for anything either.

So why do you believe they are more plausible than other supernatural explanations that you reject on the basis that they've never been an explanation for anything?

Both explanations have never been the explanation for anything. Both require an assumption of physics we don't understand.

What's the difference between them to you apart from you just prefer one over the other.

celtic_oz · 08-12-2021 3:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118290157#Comment_118290157

We've never proven anything to be aliens however its a MORE plausible than the boogey man.

And if you cant understand that then I cant help you.

Why do you not read ?

why ?

King Mob · 08-12-2021 3:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118290736#Comment_118290736

Yes, I read your post. I'm asking you to explain it more.

Why do you believe that aliens are more plausible than other supernatural explanations.

I don't think you actually can explain this distinction.

As far as I can seen, appealing to aliens with essentially magic technology is not more plausible than appealing to other creatures who can use magic/physics we don't understand.

To me, both are equally implausible and not really worth considering seriously.

celtic_oz · 08-12-2021 5:35pm

Ha! .. talk about redefining things to make them sound more plausible

this is what you said

For example, some people believe that UFO sightings are actually fairies or Angels and Demons.

then attempted to redefine as

than appealing to other creatures who can use magic/physics we don't understand.

🙄

Aliens are simply life from another planet and you think that's as plausible as "fairies or Angels and Demons", your words not mine.

For a start "fairies or Angels and Demons" are not even defined things!

King Mob · 08-12-2021 11:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118291371#Comment_118291371

Again your reacting to my questions very oddly.

I didn't redefine anything and you still have not answered my question.

You are also misrepresenting my position unfairly to avoid my question.

I did not say that fairies and other supernatural creatures are as likely as life of other planets.

I'm saying that they are as likely as life from other planets who have hyper advanced knowledge to the point of magic who the also travel to earth and engage in inexplicable behaviour for no definable reason.

Fairies, Angels and Demons all have specific definitions to people who believe in them. So that is not a valid reason to exclude them as a possibility.

Especially when the definition of aliens to you is so broad and open.

So please try again without the over the top reactions about how silly you think the question is;

Why do you believe that aliens are more plausible than other supernatural explanations?

Dohnjoe · 08-12-2021 11:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293240#Comment_118293240

I'd put ultra advanced extraterrestrial civilisations visiting this planet but being caught juuuust out of focus every time at much more implausible than ultra advanced extraterrestrial civilisations existing.

I would actually put the fairies and demons stuff right into the impossible category.

King Mob · 08-12-2021 11:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293377#Comment_118293377

Well given that in this argument "aliens" are so vaguely defined and open that angels and Demons could be defined as "interdimensional energy beings who wish good or evil for humans".

There's many wooy newage people who would use such language to describe them as that or similar.

I think interdimensional energy beings are equally as plausible as aliens who break physics.

They could possibly exist, but that possibility is extremely slim to the point its not worth considering seriously.

celtic_oz · 08-12-2021 11:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293240#Comment_118293240

Because its impossible to estimate plausibility for objects whose definitions are only known to those who believe in them.

That should be self evident. You seem to be oddly unable to understand this. Why ?

One could announce anything is plausible and then hide behind a belief construct.

Moreover we do not have to believe in anything to understand the possibility of alien life and therefore in the possibility of them knowing more physics than a civilization who invented the wheel 2,500 years ago ( namely us ).

Dohnjoe · 09-12-2021 12:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293478#Comment_118293478

Alright, but why do these aliens keep getting caught just out of focus, to be serious for a moment, how can that be explained?

King Mob · 09-12-2021 12:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293478#Comment_118293478

OK. So then define the aliens who you believe are visiting Earth. Define how they are using advanced knowledge.

If you can't do this then how are you estimating their plausibility?

And again you're misrepresenting my position. I am not saying that alien life is impossible. I'm not saying that alien life can't have a better understanding of physics than us.

I think the conversation would go a lot smooth if you stopped doing that.

celtic_oz · 09-12-2021 12:34am

OK. So then define the aliens who you believe are visiting Earth. Define how they are using advanced knowledge.

If you can't do this then how are you estimating their plausibility?

Aliens are defined as life from another planet, their possibility is non-zero (as you have admitted) and therefore their plausibility is non-zero. Without any belief construct.

The same cannot be said for Fairies, Angels and Demons.

QED.

robinph · 09-12-2021 12:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293634#Comment_118293634

How are you telling the difference between an alien who has knowledge and mastery of physics in ways that we cannot comprehend, and an angel, demon or fairy?

If they both come along, amaze us with their magic then and tell us they come from a place beyond the stars which we can't comprehend, then what is the difference?

celtic_oz · 09-12-2021 1:04am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293486#Comment_118293486

Why do you keep assuming that the photos YOU have seen are the only ones available ?

If there was a HD one issued tomorrow it would be immediately be judged to be a hoax.

Imagine the US navy issued a HD closeup photo of a flying disc and said the exact same as they are saying about their recently released videos. "We don't know what this is"

What would change only the goal posts ?

Dohnjoe · 09-12-2021 1:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293736#Comment_118293736

I can't judge what I haven't seen or isn't available. In my personal experience, ever time I have come across a photographed or filmed case it features yet again blurry footage or photos. It's been that way for decades now.

If there's some footage you feel is clear and demonstrates an extra-terrestrial craft, then please share it.

King Mob · 09-12-2021 1:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293634#Comment_118293634

Why can the same not be said for angels Demons and fairies?

Many wooy types claim that these are beings from other universes or planes of existence. That's also a non zero possibility.

celtic_oz · 09-12-2021 10:07pm

I can't judge what I haven't seen or isn't available. In my personal experience, ever time I have come across a photographed or filmed case it features yet again blurry footage or photos. It's been that way for decades now. If there's some footage you feel is clear and demonstrates an extra-terrestrial craft, then please share it

News flash : There is no clear HD close up footage of UFOs that has been released to the public that show irrefutable evidence of extra-terrestrial craft visiting planet earth.

Glad we got that sorted out or we would have had to change the title of this thread.

Dohnjoe · 09-12-2021 10:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298206#Comment_118298206

Okay, but there's nothing close to that

All the stories of UFO's "hovering overhead" are nowhere to be seen now that we all have pocket HD film cameras. If you show footage, I am very sure it will be just out of focus enough to be just about anything. One of the most recent pieces of footage I saw a year or two back which really got some people excited was obviously some sort of missile - it later turned out to be an anti-ship missile.

The fact that we've had these sightings for decades, and it's 100% consistent that the evidence is 100% inconsistent - well that's just approaching the point of impossibility in terms of probability. As several have mentioned, if some race is so advanced they can manage interstellar travel, then they could simply watch us from afar or undetected.

celtic_oz · 09-12-2021 10:45pm

Why can the same not be said for angels Demons and fairies? Many wooy types claim that these are beings from other universes or planes of existence. That's also a non zero possibility.

FACT : There could be 300 million habitable planets in the Milky Way. Some are just 30 light years from the Sun, the data suggest. Scientists have confirmed the existence of more than 4,000 exoplanets, although 3,000 more suspected exoplanets are awaiting confirmation.

FACT : The Hubble Deep Field, an extremely long exposure of a relatively empty part of the sky, provided evidence that there are about 125 billion galaxies in the observable universe.

Knowing this you then decide which of these is more likely :

If you believe the that Aliens civilizations could exist, you can then infer the plausibility of them visiting earth is non-zero.

If you believe that the earth could be flat, you can then infer the plausibility of UFOs being projections is non-zero.

If you believe that you could be in the matrix, you can then infer the plausibility of UFOs being computer generated as non-zero.

If you believe that "angels Demons and fairies" exist, you can then infer the plausibility of them being UFO like is non-zero.

If you believe that moon could be made of cheese, you can then infer the plausibility of space mice visiting as UFOs as non-zero.

As you can see it essentially comes down to what you believe, but most scientists would only affirm one of the above. They are NOT equally likely in the minds of most rational people.

This is why the recent report on UFOs was typically reported as "UFOs, we don't know what they are, ET's not ruled out"

It was never reported as "UFOs, we don't know what they are, ETs, fairies and demons not ruled out", because lets face it, most rational people don't believe in fairies.

King Mob · 09-12-2021 10:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298384#Comment_118298384

But again man you keep conflating the idea of life simply existing with the idea of aliens breaking physics, having magic and then wanting to visit us and do stuff that doesn't make sense.

Again I am not disputing the idea that alien life of some variety exists, you don't need to keep harping on about that point.

Is it possible regardless of what you personally believe, That there are entities that exist on a different plane of reality?

Just need a straight yes or no on this question.

If your answer is yes, then all of your logic and arguments equally apply to the idea of angels/demons/other supernatural creatures.

If your answer is no, then I would like to hear how you have made this conclusion.

King Mob · 09-12-2021 11:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298381#Comment_118298381

The existence of camera phones and other recording devices has exploded exponentially in the last few decades. And the ease of use and quality of those cameras have followed suit.

If any percentage of claimed UFO encounters were real, then the amount of high quality videos should have also increased dramatically in the last few years.

As a counter example: the asteroid that exploded over Russia a few years ago was captured by so many dash cams and phones that it was possible to track its flight path. Another being the sheer amount of footage of the explosion in Beruit a while back.

Both of these were fast occurring events with no warning. Yet there's tons of footage from both events from many different angles all showing the exact same thing.

In the good ol days UFO and alien encounters, there used to be all sorts of details like the ships landing and the aliens coming out and puttering around. These stories have also dried up now that people can ask: "so why didn't you pull out your phone and record this?"

Akrasia · 10-12-2021 12:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293634#Comment_118293634

Aliens are not necessarily life from another planet, they are just life that isn't from this planet

Its just as likely that these are interdimensional time travellers as they are super advanced aliens from across the known universe

In the many worlds interpretation of quantum theory, every time two particles interact, a new universe is created where multiple but conflicting states are true at the same time. This is a mathematically plausible theory even if it is completely ridiculous and would result in mindbogglingly large numbers of entire new universes coming into existence every instant of every nanosecond of every day

Or they could be glitches in the matrix, we're all plugged into a massive simulation that we're not aware of and these are either accidental glitches, or the system is trying to fu.ck with us

Or, in the most implausible scenario of all, it's just a bunch of people who got mixed up because their perceptions are flawed, and their mind plays tricks with them, and they're not actually as clever as they think they are, so they're reading a whole pile into a few blurry photos and testimony from equally flawed individuals.

On the balance of probabilities, I'm going with the multidimensional time travellers

celtic_oz · 11-12-2021 1:31am

On the balance of probabilities, I'm going with the multidimensional time travellers

I like it, at least it's not away with the fairies!

silliussoddius · 11-12-2021 1:34am

I'm going with ultra-dimensional time travelers using the Mormon approved portal at Skinwalker ranch.

Cheerful S · 24-12-2021 10:18pm

US government recognizing fringe conspiracy is a big deal. Skeptics for decades said believers are crazy tin hat people, uneducated, don't know a thing about science, funny how things work out in the end after all the back and forth for decades!!!.. Not stupid, a revelation this big, what's the power play?

If I was betting man tell the public to secure far bigger budgets. Public-funded space adventures agreed inside US Congress and private firms gave money to build space weapons and spaceships?. It also may be earth-shattering news that is about to unfold, will have an impact on humans and their future (a few years maybe sooner timeframe?) insiders are aware of it and cannot stop the reveal. Or maybe it was agreed time was right to join the brotherhood of space (inside joke) but the US government telling us aliens with exotic craft are perhaps already up in the skies very big deal. I never thought we get this far, but seems people are getting on with life regardless of the news. The impact is not huge since we have not yet had an undeniable encounter yet or aliens walking about with leaders.

Freddie Mcinerney · 30-12-2021 9:25am

Objects that are not identify at the time.

robinph · 30-12-2021 10:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118371117#Comment_118371117

Where have the US government said that aliens exist and have visited earth?

This is just that there are some things detected by their pilots which have not been satisfactorily explained yet.

silliussoddius · 30-12-2021 3:40pm

So another lobby group found someone to give them cash. What can these people do that the much touted super secret pentagon department couldn’t?

Cheerful S · 02-01-2022 10:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118389797#Comment_118389797

https://nypost.com/2021/11/11/ufos-buzzing-us-warships-may-be-aliens-top-spy-chief/

Avril Haines, the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), who oversees all 16 US spy agencies including the FBI and CIA, for her to not dismiss the alien's speculation is a major deal. What the pilots are seeing not balloons or venus, the options are very limited. I don't think the US doing this for no reason, I wouldn't be surprised contact, occurs in the next 5 years. It's moving way too fast, things are only done if there is a need to get the public aware to avoid the shock of it all..

Lex Luthor · 18-02-2022 11:06pm

dont be fooled thinking there are aliens, they want you to think there are aliens so you believe there are other life forms out there in the dark universe

its all bs

the moon wont crash into the earth

asteroids wont hit us

we are alone.......created by the one God and thats it

21-02-2022 4:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118656361#Comment_118656361

[citation needed]

21-02-2022 4:22pm

Double post

Cheerful S · 26-04-2022 10:37pm

There is a great deal going on behind the scenes that the public is not aware of. UFOS is the subject of numerous classified briefings, and politicians are seeing things we have yet to see. Furthermore, there are rumors that amnesties are being considered for people who have kept the secret programs under wraps for a long time. Obviously, they are concerned that these secrets may come to light. There are numerous legal implications if these secrets come to light. Can you imagine the debunkers' reactions upon learning that UFOs do not exist and how they managed to keep this secret for 60 years? It still astonishes me the US government is willing to inform the public about something of this magnitude. The possibility of nonhumans being in our skies and possible future contact cannot be ruled out

emo72 · 26-04-2022 10:58pm

some major shenanigans going on. dont think things will ever go back to normal after the fravor situation happened.

gladvimpaker · 26-04-2022 11:10pm

I remember back in the 90's there was triangular shaped crafts seen in Co Limerick just along the Shannon estuary on the opposite side of Shannon airport and flying low.

I'd say they were stealth aircraft flying in for refueling, I know they can refuel in the air too. But flying from the Gulf would burn a lot and refueling in Shannon would have been very practical.

I've seen some strange craft back in West Clare near a lake called Doo Lough near Kilmaley one time, it was like a tick tack, or a flying tube like thing. It's a strange place that area.

Funny enough a local farmer back near Doo Lough told me as kid he seen a sasquatch like thing a few times as he described it a class of a yeti, and strange lights and owl's that have a kind of glow. I'd never undermine people telling me personal stories or experiences. There's a lot of things out there which people are unable to percieve.

Some people are wired differently and their cognition picks up on strange shapes and out of the ordinary phenomena.

Pareidolia is often used by sceptics but I think in some cases it's not pareidolia but people are in the right place at the right or wrong time.

Dohnjoe · 27-04-2022 11:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118981736#Comment_118981736

And people bullshit, which is usually the explanation.

Millions of Americans claimed to have been abducted by aliens, by an amazing coincidence that stopped when mobile phones with camera/video came out

gladvimpaker · 27-04-2022 11:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118982975#Comment_118982975

It's very hard to record them with a camera Phone they jam the frequency so it'll come out glitchy.

That's why you won't ever get a clear picture, the sasquatch etc is the same or shape shifters you'll never catch these things off gaurd.

If you're not interested in this type of thing you'll always be sceptical which is ok but I find all the paranormal stuff quite interesting. They can't all be wrong.

Dohnjoe · 27-04-2022 11:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118983070#Comment_118983070

Countless numbers of people claimed to have been abducted by aliens, a UFO hovering near them, all that. Very simple to whip out the mobile and record it.

Likewise ghosts, I grew up with everyone telling ghost stories how they had seen ghosts, etc - again, all that has disappeared now that we have HD video cameras in our back pockets.

Never underestimate people's capacity to elaborately BS.

King Mob · 27-04-2022 11:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118983070#Comment_118983070

No. They can all be wrong.

Why would you think that they can't be wrong just because there's so many claims?

What a bizarre stance to hold...

gladvimpaker · 27-04-2022 11:51am

Party time :D the krakens awakened

silliussoddius · 27-04-2022 2:04pm

Big Ern McKraken?

27-04-2022 3:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118981579#Comment_118981579

More rubbish, pulled from where the sun don't shine but with enough hooks to land gullible eejits and just enough vague nonsense to be able to explain it all away when challenged.

"There is a great deal going on behind the scenes that the public is not aware of"

But you and your cronies are aware of it, yeah? Otherwise, how would you know that it's going on behind the scenes?

"UFOs is the subject of numerous classified briefings, and politicians are seeing things we have yet to see"

Correct. Not sure why this would be news to anyone, but let me be clear here. When the words "Unidentified flying objects" or UFOs are used in this context, we are not talking about flying saucers or other types of alien spacecraft. We're talking about stuff which has been seen or recorded for which they don't yet know the explanation. You have, repeatedly, on this thread conflated the two. When governments say "yes, there are things for which we have no reasonable explanation yet", then you and the rest of the 'question everything bar the most obvious bulsh1t you find on twitter" crowd immediately go "HA!!! THERE ARE ALIENS AND T HE GOVT JUST ADMITTED IT". This is an incredibly stupid take.

Furthermore, there are rumors that amnesties are being considered for people who have kept the secret programs under wraps for a long time. Obviously, they are concerned that these secrets may come to light. There are numerous legal implications if these secrets come to light.

Where'd you hear these rumours? Lemme guess......some random blog or CT website that nobody's ever heard of?

Can you imagine the debunkers' reactions upon learning that UFOs do not exist and how they managed to keep this secret for 60 years?

But, we've already known for the last 60 years that alien spacecraft do not exist.

It still astonishes me the US government is willing to inform the public about something of this magnitude.

What magnitude? Again, you're mixing up "a blob on a screen that we're not sure what it is" and Independence Day. All they've done is admitted that some things cannot be explained (yet). They haven't confirmed the existence of alien races or interstellar travel or anything like it.

The possibility of nonhumans being in our skies and possible future contact cannot be ruled out

For sure, we cannot rule it out. But we cannot categorically state that they are 100% a reality, despite what you're trying to say here in your confused state of mind.

27-04-2022 3:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117304357#Comment_117304357

Well this turned out to be a big steaming heap of horse-plop, to absolutely nobody's surprise. A new account, with a deliberately provocative username, pops in and leaves their only post ever on the site, ostensibly backing up the usual resident gullible fools, then disappears off into the ether forever-more.

A more cynical man than I might infer that this was a sock-puppet account, created by one of the usual saps on this thread, in order to drop a load of un-sourced, hysterical, fear-mongering bollocksology without having to deal with the fallout of being proven to be 100% completely and utterly in the wrong and making stuff up.

But I'm not cynical, I'm a gullible fool, and I'm off to watch CNN and RTE and swallow whatever they ejaculate every three hours.

Dohnjoe · 27-04-2022 4:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118984448#Comment_118984448

Wow that post you replied to manages to hit almost every conspiracy bingo possible.

silliussoddius · 27-04-2022 4:13pm

Is it last June again? Disclosure is coming, big news, definitely this time.

gladvimpaker · 27-04-2022 4:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118983099#Comment_118983099

I said they can't all be wrong.

Have you ever had a paranormal experience or observed something out of the ordinary ?

King Mob · 27-04-2022 4:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118984626#Comment_118984626

But they can be all wrong. Why would the volume of claims mean that they become automatically right?

And yes, I have. But then, by later applying skepticism and critical thinking I came to understand that those experiences weren't supernatural or all that out of the ordinary. This gives me first hand experience of how people can believe false things and fool themselves.