BANGERNOMICS (sub3k) of the week/day Part 7

RandomViewer

Peugeot peeked with the 305 van and the 205, 405 was made of paper mache

An Ri rua

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I love Peugeot too, though the 407 wasn’t exactly their finest hour- their early 2000s to 2010 stuff is best forgotten but they now have one of the most competitive mainstream ranges- still for under €1k there’s nothing wrong with that- lot of car for the money

I had a 407 Coupe 2.2 petrol. Great engine and a great car. LPg"d and ran it to 170k miles. Hard on ball joints, tappets would be noisy when cold, expensive re tyres but overall it was a thing of beauty. A real grand tourer..I did 70k miles each way daily for 2 years in that weapon. Loved it. Animal in 3rd.
Now, the Coupé was built separately to the 407s. But yes, Pugs are great. Don't be talking about Toyota's in the same breath as Pugs folks. Unless you're talking Celicas. Bangernomics, ok, Toyota. But the joy of a Peugeot M16 or an XRAd or a 205 GTi or even a HDi 90/110 or 2.2 should not be underestimated. F*kin great cars. My mechanic loved mine
Confession: Ive owned 3 Xantias. 1.9td (210k miles when sold, 2.0 16v (170k miles when sold), HDi 90 (260k miles when sold). Some annoyances but wonderful machines.

BonnieSituation

An Ri rua wrote: »

I had a 407 Coupe 2.2 petrol. Great engine and a great car. LPg"d and ran it to 170k miles. Hard on ball joints, tappets would be noisy when cold, expensive re tyres but overall it was a thing of beauty. A real grand tourer..I did 70k miles each way daily for 2 years in that weapon. Loved it. Animal in 3rd.
Now, the Coupé was built separately to the 407s. But yes, Pugs are great. Don't be talking about Toyota's in the same breath as Pugs folks. Unless you're talking Celicas. Bangernomics, ok, Toyota. But the joy of a Peugeot M16 or an XRAd or a 205 GTi or even a HDi 90/110 or 2.2 should not be underestimated. F*kin great cars. My mechanic loved mine
Confession: Ive owned 3 Xantias. 1.9td (210k miles when sold, 2.0 16v (170k miles when sold), HDi 90 (260k miles when sold). Some annoyances but wonderful machines.

I'm still annoyed I didn't go with the heart and go for that 405 a few months back on here.

Rrrrrr2

CharlieCroker wrote: »

I'd forgotten about the 1007! Only ever drove one, felt like it was about to fall over. I forgot the 307 too, horrible pile of crap.

I like Peugeot a lot, have done since my mum had an early 90's 106 and my dad had a 405. The 90s stuff was great but fragile but what replaced it was tosh.

Thankfully, they seem to have come full circle as the stuff they're putting out today is lovely, especially the interiors.

I believe the 1007 was chronically underpowered due to the weight of the door system. Can’t remember when I last saw one

Rrrrrr2

There’s one in DoneDeal- perfect for the city!!!
https://www.donedeal.ie/view/27890975

colm_mcm

TommyGun2017 wrote: »

Anyway, another bangernomics favourite:

1.8 petrol Civic, NCT 02/22, Heated leather up front. I love a sub 2k car with nice spec. This one is looking for €1,450. I'll likely go for one of these when the Celica dies.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic-brand-new-nct-03-2022-2-x-keys/28116909

Just on those, you’d assume cos they have leather that they have decent spec, but that spec doesn’t get the auto lights and wipers or cruise control. Aim for an ES or EX with the panoramic roof, it transforms them.

AMKC

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I believe the 1007 was chronically underpowered due to the weight of the door system. Can’t remember when I last saw one

Yes that's true. It was very underpowered and slow. There used to be one owned by someone around here. Have not seen it on a while do. Must have a look next time I am going out to the parents to see does the person that had it still have it in there yard.

CiDeRmAn

Speaking of Xantias, and the two I had along with a C5,
Here's a cheap as chips, NCTd 2003 C5 estate for €700
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-c5-estate-2-0l-hdi/28072525
I'd I was moving house this would be cheaper than hiring a van for a week or two!

CoBo55

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Speaking of Xantias, and the two I had along with a C5,
Here's a cheap as chips, NCTd 2003 C5 estate for €700
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-c5-estate-2-0l-hdi/28072525
I'd I was moving house this would be cheaper than hiring a van for a week or two!

And it’s the 2 litre, bit of tax too I wonder what the back end is like that’s their Achilles heel unless the estate has a different setup. They’re getting scarce now.

An Ri rua

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Speaking of Xantias, and the two I had along with a C5,
Here's a cheap as chips, NCTd 2003 C5 estate for €700
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-c5-estate-2-0l-hdi/28072525
I'd I was moving house this would be cheaper than hiring a van for a week or two!

Apologies, I won't post the link as it would be thread spoiling due to no NCT.
But an 09 estate C5 in Mountmellick asking 850, with again, no NCT, and an ABS sensor issue. Fine looking car.

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/vw-vento-cl-1-9-diesel/28202074



1 owner 94 Vento diesel with relatively low miles and claims of FSH, NCT til January 2022, €1950

Not the most sensible bangernomics offering out there, but this is lovely and so original.

CoBo55

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/vw-vento-cl-1-9-diesel/28202074



1 owner 94 Vento diesel with relatively low miles and claims of FSH, NCT til January 2022, €1950

Not the most sensible bangernomics offering out there, but this is lovely and so original.

Saucy money for a farmers wagon.

coolbeans

CoBo55 wrote: »

Saucy money for a farmers wagon.

Usually agree with the Duke but they're not all that at all. Glacier slow, soft gearboxes and never really that well put together despite the rep. Lots of dents too. A charmless yoke and overpriced. Saying that some DUB head would love it no doubt.

0lddog

CoBo55 wrote: »

Saucy money for a farmers wagon.

Negatives :

- High tax
- Non turbo - so would loose a race with a sail

Positives :

- Wind up windows - no window regulators to go wrong.
- Good chance no C/L to go wrong.
- No aircon to go wrong ?


Big question :

- Has the clutch pedal disintegrated due to metal fatigue yet ( if not factor it in )

Rrrrrr2

CoBo55 wrote: »

Saucy money for a farmers wagon.

Have seen that around Kilkenny- especially the KY reg is a bit unusual!

alan partridge aha

Had 95 diesel Vento which had c/l. I'm know a friend had a Jan 94 one which hadn't. Mine also had an electric sunroof. Really liked it wasn't particularly fast. Sold privately and afaik its still going.

CoBo55

0lddog wrote: »

Negatives :

- High tax
- Non turbo - so would loose a race with a sail

Positives :

- Wind up windows - no window regulators to go wrong.
- Good chance no C/L to go wrong.
- No aircon to go wrong ?


Big question :

- Has the clutch pedal disintegrated due to metal fatigue yet ( if not factor it in )

You forgot, is the fan belt slipping? I never saw one of them yet that the belt wasn’t squealing like a stabbed pig.

Rrrrrr2

Before farmers all starting getting 4*4s you’d often see those towing a cow box

punisher5112

Surprised any unmolested are left....

Have to say they look well slightly dropped and a nice set of alloys, retro

Rrrrrr2

AMKC wrote: »

Yes that's true. It was very underpowered and slow. There used to be one owned by someone around here. Have not seen it on a while do. Must have a look next time I am going out to the parents to see does the person that had it still have it in there yard.

It was a nice idea and concept but the reality and execution turned out to be a bit different. I quite liked them, they still look good

alan partridge aha

CoBo55 wrote: »

You forgot, is the fan belt slipping? I never saw one of them yet that the belt wasn’t squealing like a stabbed pig.

As I said had one, kept it for 2.5 years and never had any fan belt issue. 2 friends had ones as well again no fan belt slipping.

WestWicklow1

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Had 95 diesel Vento which had c/l. I'm know a friend had a Jan 94 one which hadn't. Mine also had an electric sunroof. Really liked it wasn't particularly fast. Sold privately and afaik its still going.

I bought a new light blue one in 1992. Wrote it off in 1994 and replaced it with another new one, black.

I kept that one until 1998.

In 2010 a Polish tiler arrived to tile my kitchen and I couldn't believe that he was driving my old 1994 black Vento!

It had 350k miles on it and he had been back to Poland in it a couple of times. Haven't seen it since.

mankteln

Out of interest, what kind of mileage do those of you who partake in bangernomics limit your purchases to?
I absolutely love the civic that was posted few pages back and I doubt it'd be a problem for that particular car if it had good verifiable service history (which for some reason can sometimes seem like hen's teeth in Ireland, was shocked when looking at 10-13k used cars a while ago that lots of people in Ireland don't seem to bother servicing their cars, or at least at at the recommended intervals, or recording it if they have been. Seems to mental to me that people drop 30k+ on a new car and then skimp on the upkeep! Is it something unique to our Irish mentality? Whenever I've looked at NI or UK cars the service history is usually much better, and they normally do much lower mileage than us here).
When I'm buying a bangernomics in the past I usually limit the mileage to 170-180k km, I'm purely basing it on that by that stage there should have been bulk of consumable repairs addressed already (timing belt etc) and I hopefully get a decent bit out of it before other more costly repairs start that might make the car less economically viable. Obviously some cars and well looked after examples go for much much longer but I've found that once the mileage is up around 240k km/150k miles repair bills can start stacking up again and sometimes their worth doing and sometimes not (but if bought at 170k km then the car has payed for itself by that stage and it can be looked at objectively). Just wondering what everyone else thinks? Is it too restrictive to limit by mileage and is all that matters the condition of the car?

RandomViewer

mankteln wrote: »

Out of interest, what kind of mileage do those of you who partake in bangernomics limit your purchases to?
I absolutely love the civic that was posted few pages back and I doubt it'd be a problem for that particular car if it had good verifiable service history (which for some reason can sometimes seem like hen's teeth in Ireland, was shocked when looking at 10-13k used cars a while ago that lots of people in Ireland don't seem to bother servicing their cars, or at least at at the recommended intervals, or recording it if they have been. Seems to mental to me that people drop 30k+ on a new car and then skimp on the upkeep! Is it something unique to our Irish mentality? Whenever I've looked at NI or UK cars the service history is usually much better, and they normally do much lower mileage than us here).
When I'm buying a bangernomics in the past I usually limit the mileage to 170-180k km, I'm purely basing it on that by that stage there should have been bulk of consumable repairs addressed already (timing belt etc) and I hopefully get a decent bit out of it before other more costly repairs start that might make the car less economically viable. Obviously some cars and well looked after examples go for much much longer but I've found that once the mileage is up around 240k km/150k miles repair bills can start stacking up again and sometimes their worth doing and sometimes not (but if bought at 170k km then the car has payed for itself by that stage and it can be looked at objectively). Just wondering what everyone else thinks? Is it too restrictive to limit by mileage and is all that matters the condition of the car?

I've a Volvo with 315,000 km on it, does about 400km a week now, would think nothing of driving it anywhere, used to do 600km a week in a €300 Daewoo around 8 years ago,

mankteln

RandomViewer wrote: »

I've a Volvo with 315,000 km on it, does about 400km a week now, would think nothing of driving it anywhere, used to do 600km a week in a €300 Daewoo around 8 years ago,

How long did the Daewoo last out of interest? About 5 years ago I was doing about 800km a week in a Daewoo kalos I bought for €325, it lasted about 8 months and I still got a return of €100 scrap at the end of it, proper bangernomics lol! Again I think it had about 200k km on it when it gave up the ghost.
Not sure I could do it to myself now, wasn't the most comfortable place to do that much mileage in but at the time it was what I needed and ended up great value.

RandomViewer

mankteln wrote: »

How long did the Daewoo last out of interest? About 5 years ago I was doing about 800km a week in a Daewoo kalos I bought for €325, it lasted about 8 months and I still got a return of €100 scrap at the end of it, proper bangernomics lol! Again I think it had about 200k km on it when it gave up the ghost.
Not sure I could do it to myself now, wasn't the most comfortable place to do that much mileage in but at the time it was what I needed and ended up great value.

Got nearly 2 years out of it, wouldn't test again, needed a car at the time and funds weren't good but it done the job, got work closer to home and I replaced it with a much newer car with low miles that gave me nothing but trouble

punisher5112

mankteln wrote: »

How long did the Daewoo last out of interest? About 5 years ago I was doing about 800km a week in a Daewoo kalos I bought for €325, it lasted about 8 months and I still got a return of €100 scrap at the end of it, proper bangernomics lol! Again I think it had about 200k km on it when it gave up the ghost.
Not sure I could do it to myself now, wasn't the most comfortable place to do that much mileage in but at the time it was what I needed and ended up great value.

How much were you spending on fuel

mankteln

punisher5112 wrote: »

How much were you spending on fuel

Not a crazy amount from what I remember, was a 1.4 engine in a light car.

2ndcoming

WestWicklow1 wrote: »

I bought a new light blue one in 1992. Wrote it off in 1994 and replaced it with another new one, black.

I kept that one until 1998.

In 2010 a Polish tiler arrived to tile my kitchen and I couldn't believe that he was driving my old 1994 black Vento!

It had 350k miles on it and he had been back to Poland in it a couple of times. Haven't seen it since.

Still doing the job out in Bydgozcz more than likely. 600k be a piece of piss to them yokes, tanks.

AMKC

Here is a beauty. Great cars. They were well made with a classy dash and very safe too. Very spacious for it's time too. Now a classic,

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/renault-megane-2022-nct-characterful-2000s-car/27716310

NCT till 22 which is great and the nice peppy little 1.4 petrol engine.

Midnight_EG

The only thing going for that Megane is the sellers imagination

sharpish

Midnight_EG wrote: »

The only thing going for that Megane is the sellers imagination

Suspect it is a proud french man selling that car

BonnieSituation

AMKC wrote: »

Here is a beauty. Great cars. They were well made with a classy dash and very safe too. Very spacious for it's time too. Now a classic,

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/renault-megane-2022-nct-characterful-2000s-car/27716310


NCT till 22 which is great and the nice peppy little 1.4 petrol engine.

That'll be up for 1.5k next week.

Looks lovely.

Duke O Smiley

BonnieSituation wrote: »

That'll be up for 1.5k next week.

Looks lovely.

The guy selling it now had it up for €1500 originally, months ago

colm_mcm

Am I looking at the right car?

AMKC

colm_mcm wrote: »

Am I looking at the right car?

If it's a silver 5 door MK1 Megane then yes you are.
It is a beauty ain't it?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Jesus I hate ads like that. What a load of old waffle.

ba_barabus

AMKC wrote: »

If it's a silver 5 door MK1 Megane then yes you are.
It is a beauty ain't it?

Boy Have I got the car for you, with a little negotiation in person it might even make it into Bangernomics territory

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/renault-megane-convertible/28007282

AMKC

ba_barabus wrote: »

Boy Have I got the car for you, with a little negotiation in person it might even make it into Bangernomics territory

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/renault-megane-convertible/28007282

Not bad but also not very practical with only 2 seats. Also I do not like that there is no decent pictures of the dash, the doors inside or the seats.

ba_barabus

AMKC wrote: »

Not bad but also not very practical with only 2 seats. Also I do not like that there is no decent pictures of the dash, the doors inside or the seats.

Remove roadbox and it's a 4 seater! If someone is interested enough to ring I can literally walk out my front door and send those images to them. It's all perfect.

2ndcoming

BonnieSituation wrote: »

That'll be up for 1.5k next week.

Looks lovely.

Kill it with fire.

bear1

The only good thing about that Mégane posted is that is has Aircon.
Which it being over 20 years old and French means it probably has more holes in it than swiss cheese

ba_barabus

bear1 wrote: »

The only good thing about that Mégane posted is that is has Aircon.
Which it being over 20 years old and French means it probably has more holes in it than swiss cheese

To be fair to them, if someone can insure it they are easy as hell to work on, parts and service items are cheap as chips and at sub 1k you could probably afford to throw it away. That convertible above (with working aircon ) gives 42mpg all day long with zero effort. They were a huge step above the Megane that followed in terms of reliability and build quality.

rn

My first car choice was between an ex smokers 5 door silver megane 1.4 the same as that one and a silver 1.3 lancer glx. The lancer was cleaner, had a pioneer head unit and a sunroof. Bought the lancer and it was a great car for 8 years.

AMKC

bear1 wrote: »

The only good thing about that Mégane posted is that is has Aircon.
Which it being over 20 years old and French means it probably has more holes in it than swiss cheese

Bull. Shows how little you really know about the MK 1 Megane. They were a great car for there time, well built, classy and better than every other car in its class untill the Ford Focus came out.

colm_mcm

They are far from classy. They were cheap and well equipped but had zero desirability back in the day.
They have a few plus points but were way behind the likes of a Golf or Focus back then.

Akrasia

rn wrote: »

My first car choice was between an ex smokers 5 door silver megane 1.4 the same as that one and a silver 1.3 lancer glx. The lancer was cleaner, had a pioneer head unit and a sunroof. Bought the lancer and it was a great car for 8 years.

I had a 1.3 lancer too, great car until the exhaust manifold eventually went on it

AMKC

colm_mcm wrote: »

They are far from classy. They were cheap and well equipped but had zero desirability back in the day.
They have a few plus points but were way behind the likes of a Golf or Focus back then.

Even Autocar back in the day said they were classy with a classy dash. A golf was ancient back then and MK iiii was just a big heavy fat blob. The Megane handled much better than the Golf. Even the MK 1 Skoda Octavia handled better than the MK IIII Golf. The only thing the Golf had over other cars was its supposed classiness if you think a big dull black dash is classy. I found not about the way it looked or felt classy. It was a dull forgettable blob.

2ndcoming

Most of those magazines based their reviews on how good of a spread the journos got treated to at the launch.

colm_mcm

AMKC wrote: »

Even Autocar back in the day said they were classy with a classy dash. A golf was ancient back then and MK iiii was just a big heavy fat blob. The Megane handled much better than the Golf. Even the MK 1 Skoda Octavia handled better than the MK IIII Golf. The only thing the Golf had over other cars was its supposed classiness if you think a big dull black dash is classy. I found not about the way it looked or felt classy. It was a dull forgettable blob.

In 2000 the Megane was out 4 years and the Mk4 Golf 2 years.
The Golf interior was a major step forward for that class and was of a higher quality than many more expensive cars.

I know that you have a thing about VW but any argument that a Megane had a better interior is absurd.