Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Ficheall

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635594#Comment_117635594

"read this 65 page piece of crap and the papers it quotes"

Eh, no. Have you read the 65 pages and the papers it quotes before presenting it?

Sofa King Great

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/close-contacts-will-no-longer-be-offered-pcr-test-if-community-testing-demand-exceeds-20000-a-day-40670523.html

I see that after months of sh!tting all over antigen testing they are now saying they will be offering antigen tests to close contacts.

More confused mixed messaging from the powers that be!

Ficheall

https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1417228341598375940

'The "median age" for those dying was between 81 and 82 for men and 85 for women, the prime minister allegedly wrote, adding: "That is above life expectancy. So get Covid and Live longer."'

Another remedial turnip with this old chestnut.

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635633#Comment_117635633

Only if we reach a particular level a day. You're also assuming that what NPHET say is what the HSE do. It's their decision and was mentioned at the briefing last week.

Sofa King Great

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635643#Comment_117635643

It doesn't make the message any less muddled

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635549#Comment_117635549

A causal reading of the court papers lodged indicates it is a summary of the most nonsensical anti-vac conspiracies out there.

funnydoggy

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635549#Comment_117635549

All those deaths must be unique to the US then.. over 5 million vaccines done here and nobody died from them.

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635702#Comment_117635702

Well, the situation on antigen testing is as follows. NPHET will never recommend them and you shouldn't conflate their utter intransigence on this with the actions of the rest of government. Donnelly put together a task force under Ferguson to review them earlier in the year and a more recent one to determine where they can be used. This is the outcome and one the HSE will apply. That's a pretty clear message.

ednwireland

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117636108#Comment_117636108

so antigen tests are snake oil according to nphet but hse will use them anyway, sounds like mixed messaging to me

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117636133#Comment_117636133

To some members of NPHET yes, they say they are not up to the gold standard of PCR so refuse to recommend them. This is a known position, the only new thing here is the plan to include them in certain circumstances. HSE will not just use them willy nilly, only where there is massive community spread and then only to close contacts. This will happen if case numbers get too high to contact trace effectively. PCR will still be needed for positive antigen tests.

dougm1970

sorry if this has been answered....there seems to have been no official figures in this country for deaths since the cyber attack ...is that right ?

funnydoggy

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117636180#Comment_117636180

1 in July as far as I recall

stephenjmcd

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117636180#Comment_117636180

Being reported once a week

hmmm

Been doing some reading of opinion pieces by various scientists, and the most likely emerging scenario appears to be:

1. Herd immunity won't be possible. It was once potentially possible, but Delta has ended that hope.
2. Covid will be endemic, continuously circulating at low levels. We'll all get Covid, probably several times over the rest of our lives.
3. For newborn children, this will become another cold-causing virus and they will probably not need a vaccination as they will encounter the virus when young. Older children may benefit from it.
4. Vaccinated people will in general get mild illness. They may need occasional boosters, or catching the virus itself will "top them up".
5. People with poor immune systems will need extra protection. Healthcare workers, people in nursing homes etc. will need more frequent boosters to reduce their risk to immune-compromised patients. I don't think there will be much tolerance for unvaccinated staff in these areas.
6. In general there will be more emphasis on respiratory illness just across society, so voluntary mask-wearing by many, people working with (apparently) mind illness, e.g. headcolds, will be discouraged.

seamus

In terms of it being endemic, one of the other general opinions in terms of mutations is that if a strain evolves that is completely vaccine-resistant, it will also be completely inert. This is because the vaccines (the mRNA ones at least) are based on the spike protein of the virus. In order to be completely vaccine-resistant, the virus would need to develop an entirely new spike protein. This, consequently, would also make the virus incapable of binding to the target receptors on human cells, and thus harmless.

If the new spike protein by chance binds to some other receptor, then it is by definition an entirely different virus.

While it is incorrect to say that viruses never become more lethal when they mutate, they don't tend to. Evolution tends to favour pathogens which transmit easily but do not kill or incapacitate the host. Things like Ebola or Plague spread rapidly and effectively in dense communities, but make themselves known quickly and then burn out very quickly when the sick are isolated.

The most likely evolutionary path for covid is one where symptoms are relatively mild and infectiousness is high, as this ensures the widest distribution of the strain.

Allinall

Just heard on Newstalk that the hospital number today is 89. Down 12.

20 in ICU- no change.

Looks very steady, given the level of cases being reported.

Arghus

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635635#Comment_117635635

It's interesting looking at how that particular tidbit of information is being covered, depending on where you read it.

According to The Guardian the "get Covid and live longer" remark is indicitive of BoJo's callous disregard for human life and his unsuitability to be PM.

According to The Telegraph it was just a joke and Boris is a good egg really.

OwenM

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117636659#Comment_117636659

Interesting? It's very predictable. The Guardian is the woke/radical/antifa/communist left, anything a tory PM does is automatically bad, it was actually hilarious watching them defend Corbyn, the Telegraph (aka the Torygraph) is the opposite.

The parallels in the US might be Fox V's CNN. Fox were equally as hilarious trying to support Trump and CNN were known for a while as the Clinton News Network.

FintanMcluskey

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117636263#Comment_117636263

So the conspiracy theorists were right from the very beginning

Arghus

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117636841#Comment_117636841

Yes, I am aware that they are opposite sides of the political spectrum: it's why I read them! That's why it's interesting to read their entirely different takes on the same event.

The Guardian is absolutely leftist - and its political oriententation is as clear as day - but I honestly think you need a break from the Internet mate if you think it's Communist.

Micky 32

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1417441313729961986?s=21

Martina1991

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635633#Comment_117635633

No they're not saying they will. They said they might IF testing capacity and contact tracing is overwhelmed. That's a big IF.

Antigen testing for close contacts would not make a difference when people with no symptoms and performing the test on themselves is likely to yield a lot of false negative results.

Wolf359f

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117636924#Comment_117636924

At least said person will also be isolating as they were in contact with a confirmed case, so, even if they antigen tests were useless, it keeps that person away from the public (I assume) rather than assuming a negative result means they can leave the house etc...

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117636871#Comment_117636871

I dont know how you made that leap

muddypuppy

Since I've missed the last couple weeks, here's the weekly positivity rate in Ireland as reported by the ECDC (https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/covid-19-testing).

This is up to the 11th of June, it will be interesting to see the the next update.

Wolf359f

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117637100#Comment_117637100

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-test-and-trace-briefing-15-july-2021.pdf

Community 7 day positivity rate up July 15th was 5.3%

Griselda Hoebaer

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635549#Comment_117635549

Very Important post. America's Frontline Doctors (plaintiffs) need to receive full recognition for all their fine work I think.

Especially my all time favourite medical professional, Dr. Stella Immanuel. Her clinic sounds fun..... I'm lucky to get a prescription from my doctor, never mind demon sex.......

"A January 2020 medical malpractice lawsuit filed against Immanuel alleged that a 37-year-old woman died after Immanuel failed to remove a needle fragment from her arm. According to the lawsuit, the woman told Immanuel that the broken needle had lodged in her arm while injecting methamphetamine. Immanuel prescribed medication but did not take X-rays or attempt to retrieve the needle. It was removed later, by a different physician, after a flesh-eating infection had developed.In April 2020, local deputies were unable to serve notice of the Louisiana suit because Immanuel had moved to Houston where she set up a new practice in a strip mall. "

" She is also a pastor and the founder of Fire Power Ministries in Houston, a platform she has used to promote other conspiracies about the medical profession.

Her sermons are available on a YouTube account set up in 2009.

Five years ago, she alleged that alien DNA was being used in medical treatments, and that scientists were cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious.

Some of her other claims include blaming medical conditions on witches and demons - a common enough belief among some evangelical Christians - though she says they have sex with people in a dream world.

"They turn into a woman and then they sleep with the man and collect his sperm… then they turn into the man and they sleep with a woman and deposit the sperm and reproduce more of themselves," she said during a sermon in 2013.

Another issue that Dr Immanuel targets is gay marriage, saying it can result in adults marrying children"

speckle

Griselda btw..I agree with the above post of yours a strange woman with very weird views and a terrible incident/to say the least not a nice way to die. However,I am hoping for people here to read the data in the legal papers from the whole group and either refute it totally,partial or not. The wheat versus the chaft continuely needs to be separated from all sides of this isssue. Risk and benefit needs to be discussed for informed vaccination and I know there are enough posters here that can do the analysis of the above presented data.

corkie

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1417522793395245063

As of midnight, Monday 19th July, we are reporting

1,110* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

21 in ICU. 89 in hospital.

*Daily case numbers may change due to future data review, validation and update.

At least the high count from weekend in hospital has gone down.

As of Monday 19 July there have been 5,230,100 doses of COVID-19 vaccine administered in Ireland:

• 2,791,631 people have received their first dose
• 2,438,469 people are fully vaccinated

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117638517#Comment_117638517

The counties with the highest 14-day incidence rates are Donegal (725/100,000 population), Louth (474/100,000 population), Dublin (307/100,000 population), Limerick (258/100,000) and Galway (257/100,000)