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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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    #62
    Dr. Em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭Dr. Em


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    One thing this pandemic has shown us is that our health system is far better under pressure than what the media have told us for many years. We had the biggest spike in the world post Christmas yet the system did not collapse.

    The system did not collapse, no. It came far too close though, even with all non-emergency treatments suspended. I'm only impressed that more medical staff didn't walk away. So many people seem to expect that they have to care for us, even if it breaks them.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/patients-on-top-of-one-another-in-corridors-of-countrys-most-covid-hit-hospital-1064507.html

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/patients-treated-in-ambulances-as-letterkenny-hospital-faces-unprecedented-pressure-1.4454821%3fmode=amp

    https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1195908/

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/it-is-like-a-war-zone-health-services-in-louth-under-severe-pressure-as-infection-rates-soar-1.4457752


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    #63
    Carlowgirl
    Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Carlowgirl


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    So you do visit, if it’s warm

    Are your parents vaccinated?

    Ya I visit if its dry and warm..they are only just fully vaccinated by a week. Hopefully things will start looking brighter.


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    #64
    thebronze14
    Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭thebronze14


    Carlowgirl wrote: »
    Was just saying its hard to know it's going on slll the time. Lock downs do work. Look at India. We would have been just like India if we didn't go into lockdown as we have a third world health care system. If people don't mix the virus can't spread. It's very simple

    We are the most suppresses because we have the worst health care system

    We are in no way like India in any way, shape form or metric...By western standard our health system is poor in terms of value for the money we pay and also for capacity but is in no way comparable to a third world one. I feel you are getting too worried about the current danger presented by the virus. By all means be careful and if you are worried don't have anyone in your house but get out and meet a friend or two for your own personal well being. Very little risk in it


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    #65
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,274 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    As a 30 year old with an underlying condition, I have not gotten a vaccine yet, or an appointment yet. My danger and the dangers strangers, family and friends pose to me has not been reduced yet.

    That’s strange.

    Can you get a vaccine with condition?


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    #66
    Carlowgirl
    Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Carlowgirl


    I'm not curtain twitching on the neighbours just saying it's hard today fir me feeling home sick and knowing party number two is on next door. I normally don't pay much heed


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    #67
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,274 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Carlowgirl wrote: »
    Ya I visit if its dry and warm..they are only just fully vaccinated by a week. Hopefully things will start looking brighter.

    They are likely early 70s with no underlying conditions?

    Thankfully they are well protected now if Luke O Neill is to be believed


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    #68
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,711 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Dr. Em wrote: »
    The system did not collapse, no. It came far too close though, even with all non-emergency treatments suspended. I'm only impressed that more medical staff didn't walk away. So many people seem to expect that they have to care for us, even if it breaks them.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/patients-on-top-of-one-another-in-corridors-of-countrys-most-covid-hit-hospital-1064507.html

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/patients-treated-in-ambulances-as-letterkenny-hospital-faces-unprecedented-pressure-1.4454821%3fmode=amp

    https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1195908/

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/it-is-like-a-war-zone-health-services-in-louth-under-severe-pressure-as-infection-rates-soar-1.4457752
    I think this pandemic has shown how vulnerable our healthcare system is.
    We all know it's overfunded compared to the end results.
    It has also shown that those on the ground, Nurses, Doctors, Porters, Cleaners, Cooks (and everyone else I missed) are the key to our health system.

    I think we all learnt our healthcare system starts and depends on those listed above and is a lot more robust that we are lead to believe.
    Pandemic aside, it's not right for them to go through that week after week with busy weekend A&E's or through winter seasons etc...


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    #69
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,711 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    That’s strange.

    Can you get a vaccine with condition?

    Cohort 4 & 7 have underlying conditions, so far 197k with underlying conditions have gotten a vaccine.
    I really don't understand your question.
    Are you not aware that people with underlying conditions are more at risk with covid, which is why they are being vaccinated ahead of healthy people (age risk aside)


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    #70
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,854 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    quokula wrote: »
    Sure drink drivers and joy riders are just enjoying themselves too. I mean, even Jack the Ripper was basically just enjoying himself so you'd have to be a curtain twitching busy body to have interfered with his fun.

    And while on your ridiculous rant don't forget to throw "God" in there. Sure he was having the craic while killing millions in the bible.

    Sure throw in Hitler, Churchill and the 9/11 crew while you're at it.

    Who else could we throw in as well? Hmm, all those paedo priests? Genghis Khan? Pol Pot? And cyclists!!

    :rolleyes:


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    #71
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,274 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Cohort 4 & 7 have underlying conditions, so far 197k with underlying conditions have gotten a vaccine.
    I really don't understand your question.
    Are you not aware that people with underlying conditions are more at risk with covid, which is why they are being vaccinated ahead of healthy people (age risk aside)

    Apologies I was just wondering could you get a vaccine. You said your 30 with an underlying illness who’s not vaccinated. I know 30 year olds vaccinated a month ago with underlying conditions. There was talk months ago about some vulnerable not getting a vaccine but it seems everyone will get it.

    I’m aware that people with underlying conditions are getting vaccine first.

    The most vulnerable are now vaccinated, the one not vaccinated are at much less risk of serious illness


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    #72
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,711 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Apologies I was just wondering could you get a vaccine. You said your 30 with an underlying illness who’s not vaccinated. I know 30 year olds vaccinated a month ago with underlying conditions. There was talk months ago about some vulnerable not getting a vaccine but it seems everyone will get it.

    I’m aware that people with underlying conditions are getting vaccine first.

    The most vulnerable are now vaccinated, the one not vaccinated are at much less risk of serious illness

    Just because you know of a few 30 year olds with underlying conditions vaccinated does not mean all 30 year olds with underlying conditions are vaccinated. Maybe those you know are all you care about, which would make sense. The rest wouldn't affect you.
    There are approx 600k with an underlying condition, 200k have gotten a vaccine. Just because you know some 30 year olds vaccinated doesn't mean we're all vaccinated.


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    #73
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,274 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Just because you know of a few 30 year olds with underlying conditions vaccinated does not mean all 30 year olds with underlying conditions are vaccinated. Maybe those you know are all you care about, which would make sense. The rest wouldn't affect you.
    There are approx 600k with an underlying condition, 200k have gotten a vaccine. Just because you know some 30 year olds vaccinated doesn't mean we're all vaccinated.

    No, and I didn’t say all those with underlying conditions were .

    It just means your condition puts you at less risk than the ones I know and those under 70 with no underlying conditions, from those who analyse the data and implement the vaccination programme


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    #74
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,711 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No, and I didn’t say all those with underlying conditions were .

    It just means your condition puts you at less risk than the ones I know and those under 70 with no underlying conditions, from those who analyse the data and implement the vaccination programme

    No it doesn't. You do not know my risk. You know of a handful of people in their 30's with a certain medical condition and assume anyone in the country over 30 with that same medical condition has been vaccinated. You also assume people with more severe medical conditions have been vaccinated before those few 30 year old you know.

    It's akin to an 18 year old getting vaccinated and assumes everyone else has been vaccinated so it's open game. Pandemic over etc...


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    #75
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,274 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    No it doesn't. You do not know my risk. You know of a handful of people in their 30's with a certain medical condition and assume anyone in the country over 30 with that same medical condition has been vaccinated. You also assume people with more severe medical conditions have been vaccinated before those few 30 year old you know.

    It's akin to an 18 year old getting vaccinated and assumes everyone else has been vaccinated so it's open game. Pandemic over etc...

    No I don’t know your actual risk, but unless there has been a mistake with the administration, you are deemed much less at risk than those 30 year olds vaccinated a month ago.


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    #76
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,711 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No I don’t know your actual risk, but unless there has been a mistake with the administration, you are deemed much less at risk than those 30 year olds vaccinated a month ago.

    Unfortunately you haven't a clue. There were young and healthy people vaccinated before your at risk 30 year old friends, so by your definition your friends were not really at risk.


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    #77
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,621 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    The lack of patience in the world these days is shocking. Everybody seems to want everything now and it's not just young people. I see people in their 40's driving cars I know they can't afford on top if huge mortgages.
    It's the same thing going on during this pandemic and now with vaccines and reopening.


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    #78
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,274 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Unfortunately you haven't a clue. There were young and healthy people vaccinated before your at risk 30 year old friends, so by your definition your friends were not really at risk.

    No my friends (I don’t have many, some were just people I knew) weren’t at risk from a statistics point of view

    If would be unlikely for them to end up with serious illness

    But that is also the case for most people, the risk factor was determined from historic data by people determining the vaccination administration


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    #79
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,711 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No my friends weren’t at risk from a statistics point of view

    If would be unlikely for them to end up with serious illness

    But that is also the case for most people, the risk factor was determined from historic data.

    So because your friends were not at risk (they were a few posts ago) and were vaccinated, anyone at risk and vaccinated is fair game to you?
    Just open up and let it rip?


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    #80
    User1998
    Registered Users Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭User1998


    Carlowgirl wrote: »
    I'm not curtain twitching on the neighbours just saying it's hard today fir me feeling home sick and knowing party number two is on next door. I normally don't pay much heed

    Why don’t you visit your parents then and stop worrying about what other people do? Your parents are fully vaccinated and you mentioned working in a hospital so your obviously vaccinated too


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    #81
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,274 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    So because your friends were not at risk (they were a few posts ago) and were vaccinated, anyone at risk and vaccinated is fair game to you?
    Just open up and let it rip?

    That’s brilliant.

    The debate is slipping away from you, so you resort to the old chestnut “open up and let it rip” despite no one saying such.

    The point I made was the most vulnerable are vaccinated

    Those not vaccinated are at much less risk of serious illness


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    #82
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,711 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    That’s brilliant.

    The debate is slipping away from you, so you resort to the old chestnut “open up and let it rip” despite no one saying such.

    The point I made was the most vulnerable are vaccinated

    Those not vaccinated are at much less risk of serious illness

    No, you're not differentiating between most vulnerable (based on age 70+) with most vulnerable (based on Pre-existing medical conditions) because you know a few 30+ who got vaccinated, so all 30+ with preconditions are vaccinated in your eyes.


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    #83
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users Posts: 703 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    As a 30 year old with an underlying condition, I have not gotten a vaccine yet, or an appointment yet. My danger and the dangers strangers, family and friends pose to me has not been reduced yet.

    The danger strangers pose to you HAS been reduced, because many strangers are now vaccinated.


    However, if your condition puts you into cohorts 4 or 7, I'd suggest you ring your GP. I'm your age, cohort 4 and was vaccinated recently. My sibling and parent are both cohort 7, vaccinated last week and this coming week, couple of friends are cohort 7 and all vaccinated last week.

    If your condition puts you into one of those groups, you should ask your GP about how far down the list they are in their process. From what I can see in my locality, GPs are only starting on cohort 7 the past week or so.

    If your condition doesn't put you into one of those groups, then you're not at serious risk of death from covid so will have to wait a bit longer.


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    #84
    Vicxas
    Registered Users Posts: 15,271 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Tony has been replaced with a clone, im sure of it. Listen to how positive he sounds:
    CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER Dr Tony Holohan has written an open letter to those who are fully vaccinated, advising them to make the most of socialising outdoors and to trust in the protection the Covid-19 vaccine they have received gives them.

    Writing to thousands of people who are fully vaccinated after receiving two doses of a Covid-19 vaccine, Dr Holohan wrote that he understood they may be anxious, and advised them on how to “restart” in a safe way.


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    #85
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Tony has been replaced with a clone, im sure of it. Listen to how positive he sounds:

    The guy can't win. You make fun of him regardless of what he does or says.


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    #86
    Chuzzle7
    Site Banned Posts: 52 ✭✭Chuzzle7


    I have a question that I'm hoping someone more knowledgeable might be able to answer. Ireland has acknowledged airborne spread. Or I mean the HSE has acknowledged airborne transmission. What does this mean going forward? The main advice has always been about distancing where if you cannot work from home, people were ok without masks if they could distance. Does acknowledgement of airborne transmission change this main rule of distancing?

    Also since their acknowledgement, does it change what a close contact is? If one person in a workplace tests positive, shouldn't everyone now get tested regardless of the 15 minutes face to face rule?


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    #87
    firemansam4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Isn't it great the way posters are comending people who have indoor gatherings as if they are getting one up against the curtain twitchers as they call them.

    Meanwhile where I live in Donegal I would say the majority of people are adhering to the regulations but there are a large section who really don't seem to care at all, who are meeting in large groups and indoor gatherings.
    Infection rates are going out of control up here and its going to be businesses and everybody else who is going to suffer up here when we do not open up with the rest of the country.

    The same people on here complaining about bussinesses getting destroyed are the ones comending people having indoor gatherings which could ultimately prolong many bussiness closures...


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    #88
    pjohnson
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    firemansam4 wrote: »
    Isn't it great the way posters are comending people who have indoor gatherings as if they are getting one up against the curtain twitchers as they call them.

    Meanwhile where I live in Donegal I would say the majority of people are adhering to the regulations but there are a large section who really don't seem to care at all, who are meeting in large groups and indoor gatherings.
    Infection rates are going out of control up here and its going to be businesses and everybody else who is going to suffer up here when we do not open up with the rest of the country.

    The same people on here complaining about bussinesses getting destroyed are the ones comending people having indoor gatherings which could ultimately prolong many bussiness closures...
    Thats been the paradox from day 1.


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    #89
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    There seems to be conflicting advice about mitigating any side effects from the vaccine - especially the second dose which seems to be the more likely to produce a bad reaction.

    I have heard of doctors recommending paracetamol before the jab and ibuprofen after it, but the published advice warns against. I hear anecdotal reports of both bad reactions to the jab and the effective use of paracetamol to prevent them.

    Is there a balanced (and authoritative) view of these conflicting opinions?


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    #90
    Carlowgirl
    Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Carlowgirl


    User1998 wrote: »
    Why don’t you visit your parents then and stop worrying about what other people do? Your parents are fully vaccinated and you mentioned working in a hospital so your obviously vaccinated too

    Its not that straight forward when the vaccine doesn't cover new strains or we don't know yet of it does.


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    #91
    PatrickDoherty
    Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭PatrickDoherty


    Carlowgirl wrote: »
    Its not that straight forward when the vaccine doesn't cover new strains or we don't know yet of it does.


    Jesus christ.


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