Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Jim_Hodge

eagle eye wrote: »

Three cases in my kids school. A parent of one contacted the principle today to let her know as she was surprised the principle wasn't in contact with the family. The principle didn't know about it despite it being 60 hours since the result. Nothing from the HSE.

The irony. Your kids' school of all the schools. You couldn't make it up.

Happydays2020

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Not 100% sure, weren't there reports that we could be awash with MRNA vaccines by late Summer? They'll never use all the Astra contracted numbers if that is the case?

Not sure to be honest. May be timing and may be form commitments, but I see that we are banking on Pfizer in 2022 and 2023 for the boosters.

podgeandrodge

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Yeah possibly. Something is not right with the timing though. If AZ lasts for 6 months, and "Dr Denis McCauley, chair of the IMO General Practitioner Committee, said GPs had “a week or so” to administer the vaccines to ensure that they were not kept in fridges beyond their expiry date".

A week. That would imply that some stocks were delivered last December. I don't recall, but maybe that happened.

No, it implies they were manufactured mid November. They could have been delivered no earlier than February as that’s when we approved. So Az were delivering 3 month old vaccine at a minimum

tom1ie

Evening all.
So my understanding (which could be wrong) is that hospitalisations have gone up to 144 from a low of what? 123 or something on the 1st may.
What is the breakdown of the people going into hospital?
I thought we had most of the at risk vaccinated at this stage so surely we shouldn’t be seeing people going into hospital.

brickster69

podgeandrodge wrote: »

AstraZeneca has so far delivered just 31 million of the 120 million doses it had promised to the EU. (According to papers last week).

With the news that the EU Commission is not renewing contracts for Astra and J&J from next year, will the EU continue to get the remaining stocks of AZ for the rest of this year, even when MRNA vaccines become plentiful?

No promises were made from AZ to the EU. The advanced purchase order was a best case scenario and an estimation. Approval was granted 29/1/2021

https://twitter.com/nickgutteridge/status/1362780886379483137

PmMeUrDogs

tom1ie wrote: »

Evening all.
So my understanding (which could be wrong) is that hospitalisations have gone up to 144 from a low of what? 123 or something on the 1st may.
What is the breakdown of the people going into hospital?
I thought we had most of the at risk vaccinated at this stage so surely we shouldn’t be seeing people going into hospital.

Not all the at risk have been vaccinated, most of cohort 7 haven't been yet. And a small amount of non-risk people who catch covid will be hospitalised anyway.

Hospital numbers always rise over a weekend because there's low discharges, we should see a decent drop in hospital patients later in the week.

tom1ie

tom1ie wrote: »

Evening all.
So my understanding (which could be wrong) is that hospitalisations have gone up to 144 from a low of what? 123 or something on the 1st may.
What is the breakdown of the people going into hospital?
I thought we had most of the at risk vaccinated at this stage so surely we shouldn’t be seeing people going into hospital.

Even if everyone were vaccinated, a small minority will still be hospitalized.

Vaccines are not 100 percent effective.

That said, even people in their 30s and 40s can be hospitalized, particularly if they have underlying health conditions - including being very overweight or perhaps even diabetic.

saabsaab

bloopy wrote: »

Nope.
If the vaccine preevents serious illness, you give it to those most at risk of serious illness first. Not to those most likely to just brush it off.
Besides, at this stage there are a hell of a lot more under 30's than vulnerable left to vaccinate.
Do you suggest the vulnerable stay at home until the healthy are vaccinated, while still at risk from potentially catching the virus at any moment? That seems a bit cruel.

If you stop the spread you protect all breaking the chains of spread. Younger people can get it and spread it without knowing easily. Most of the most vulnerable are done by now surely (over a million done) so it won't be such an issue.

eastie17

manofwisdom wrote: »

RTÉ went the extra mile with their fake news this evening.



Just 4,000 added onto to possible/probable death number.

They live in hope!

Jim_Hodge

eastie17 wrote: »

They live in hope!

Would you give over! Absurd comment.

TheDoctor

Hospital numbers at 8pm

Total 132 (down from 135 last night)
ICU 39 (down from 40 last night)

BlondeBomb

Good numbers - nice to see them going down.

Goldengirl

eskimohunt wrote: »

Even if everyone were vaccinated, a small minority will still be hospitalized.

Vaccines are not 100 percent effective.

That said, even people in their 30s and 40s can be hospitalized, particularly if they have underlying health conditions - including being very overweight or perhaps even diabetic.

Those groups are not going to be left unvaccinated as in group 4 and 7 . Edit . I am thinking you meant to write obese not overweight .
However those in the under 60 age groups are not vaccinated yet, and these accounted for 45 % of all admissions prior to this.
This month will make a big difference to hospital numbers when all the vulnerable groups vaccinated .

manofwisdom

TheDoctor wrote: »

Hospital numbers at 8pm

Total 132 (down from 135 last night)
ICU 39 (down from 40 last night)

First time this year for the ICU number to fall under 40.

patnor1011

WORLDWIDE - As of March 19, 2021:
Population: 7,800,000,000 (7.8 Billion)
Cases: 121,474,807 = 1.557369% of the Population.
Deaths: 2,684,178 = 0.034413% of the Population.
Healthy, Alive and Terrified: 99.965587% of the Population.
Cases: 7,800,000,000 – 121,474,807 = 7,678,525,193 (98.442630% unaffected)
Deaths: 7,800,000,000 – 2,684,179 = 7,797,315,821 (99.965587% unaffected)
When the World was forced into lockdown in March of 2020,
there were only 209,842 “Cases” and 8,778 “Deaths” attributed to Covid-19.
As you can see from the percentages derived in comparison to the population,
Covid-19 had no significant presence in the world’s population,
therefore, the lockdown was ordered without justification.
Now, after One year and Four reported “Surges”, we can see that as of March 19, 2021,
there were only 121,474,807 “Cases” and 2,684,178 “Deaths” attributed to Covid-19.
As you can see from the percentages derived in comparison to the population,
Covid-19 still has no significant presence in the World’s population,
therefore, the continued lockdown ordered without justification is insanity.

DOCARCH

patnor1011 wrote: »

Covid-19 had no significant presence in the world’s population.

Because of lockdowns or in spite of lockdowns? Hard to tell!

If Covid was simply allowed rip through the population of the world, statistics may have been a different?

Allinall

Proof that mitigating measures were very effective.

Jim_Hodge

patnor1011 wrote: »

WORLDWIDE - As of March 19, 2021:
Population: 7,800,000,000 (7.8 Billion)
<snip blah blah blah snip>
As you can see from the percentages derived in comparison to the population,
Covid-19 still has no significant presence in the World’s population,
therefore, the continued lockdown ordered without justification is insanity.

You've missed the point, haven't you?

Great to see the restrictions were effective though.

patnor1011

patnor1011 wrote: »

WORLDWIDE - As of March 19, 2021:
Population: 7,800,000,000 (7.8 Billion)
Cases: 121,474,807 = 1.557369% of the Population.
Deaths: 2,684,178 = 0.034413% of the Population.
Healthy, Alive and Terrified: 99.965587% of the Population.
Cases: 7,800,000,000 – 121,474,807 = 7,678,525,193 (98.442630% unaffected)
Deaths: 7,800,000,000 – 2,684,179 = 7,797,315,821 (99.965587% unaffected)
When the World was forced into lockdown in March of 2020,
there were only 209,842 “Cases” and 8,778 “Deaths” attributed to Covid-19.
As you can see from the percentages derived in comparison to the population,
Covid-19 had no significant presence in the world’s population,
therefore, the lockdown was ordered without justification.
Now, after One year and Four reported “Surges”, we can see that as of March 19, 2021,
there were only 121,474,807 “Cases” and 2,684,178 “Deaths” attributed to Covid-19.
As you can see from the percentages derived in comparison to the population,
Covid-19 still has no significant presence in the World’s population,
therefore, the continued lockdown ordered without justification is insanity.

While I do think that restrictions went too far, it’s hard to fathom the intelligence (or lack thereof) of people who post stuff like this, as they are laying out all the evidence of why restrictions were a good thing at the same time as ranting against them

It’s something that whooshes way over the heads of those on the conspiracy forum

kleiner feigling

Deleted User wrote: »

While I do think that restrictions went too far, it’s hard to fathom the intelligence (or lack thereof) of people who post stuff like this, as they are laying out all the evidence of why restrictions were a good thing at the same time as ranting against them

It’s something that whooshes way over the heads of those on the conspiracy forum

While the restrictions almost certainly changed the timeline of events and the deaths/cases at particular points in time, the overall casualties that would have occurred without lockdown is very difficult to estimate.

Those refuting the OP haven't offered anything to prove their point that Lockdown is the reason that the situation wasn't worse.

I personally think the initial lockdown was warranted, but the subsequent one were ill thought-out, and messaging around ventilation in particular remains poor.

OwenM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Those groups are not going to be left unvaccinated as in group 4 and 7 . Edit . I am thinking you meant to write obese not overweight .
However those in the under 60 age groups are not vaccinated yet, and these accounted for 45 % of all admissions prior to this.
This month will make a big difference to hospital numbers when all the vulnerable groups vaccinated .

Also remember, everyone being admitted is being tested, so even if you are in hospital for a road traffic accident, you could be asymptomatic but will be counted as a case in hospital in these stats. You could even be vaccinated and test positive in this scenario as well.

Dr. Em

And I know a case where the exact opposite happened. The person contracted covid, was treated in ICU, discharged, and then had to be re-admitted to hospital three times over the next two months due to severe long-term complications. Only in the first instance were they counted as a Covid case in hospital, but I'm not going to argue that they are undercounting those getting treatment in hospital due to Covid on the back of one case.

big syke

Dr. Em wrote: »

And I know a case where the exact opposite happened. The person contracted covid, was treated in ICU, discharged, and then had to be re-admitted to hospital three times over the next two months due to severe long-term complications. Only in the first instance were they counted as a Covid case in hospital, but I'm not going to argue that they are undercounting those getting treatment in hospital due to Covid on the back of one case.

Is two months long term?

Dr. Em

big syke wrote: »

Is two months long term?

The complications are long-term - four strokes. They may never walk again.

Anyway, my point is that there will always be exceptions to any generalisation and arguing on the basis of the exceptions paints an inaccurate picture.

big syke

Dr. Em wrote: »

The complications are long-term - four strokes. They may never walk again.

Anyway, my point is that there will always be exceptions to any generalisation and arguing on the basis of the exceptions paints an inaccurate picture.

Thats awful. Hope they can get some kind of help and cure.

is_that_so

kleiner feigling wrote: »

While the restrictions almost certainly changed the timeline of events and the deaths/cases at particular points in time, the overall casualties that would have occurred without lockdown is very difficult to estimate.

Those refuting the OP haven't offered anything to prove their point that Lockdown is the reason that the situation wasn't worse.

I personally think the initial lockdown was warranted, but the subsequent one were ill thought-out, and messaging around ventilation in particular remains poor.

That poster trotted out a stream of data manipulated into supporting a clear point of view. We can all make data do that. However, aligning data to the stated reasons for lockdowns does support their use. In the context of keeping people apart they were effective and really not ill thought out, however crude they were at times.

is_that_so

Must be about the 5th time the pharmacists have complained about being left out and of course it was on Claire Byrne, where all things COVID live.

Pharmacists have been sidelined from the national vaccination programme, with 2,000 fully-trained vaccinators "ready to go", according to the Irish Pharmacy Union

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0505/1213816-coronavirus-ireland/

kleiner feigling

is_that_so wrote: »

That poster trotted out a stream of data manipulated into supporting a clear point of view. We can all make data do that. However, aligning data to the stated reasons for lockdowns does support their use. In the context of keeping people apart they were effective and really not ill thought out, however crude they were at times.

Yes, they certainly did reduce people's numbers of close contacts which slowed down spread to protect hospital capacity.
Here in Ireland, hospitals never reached capacity, so in that sense the lockdown probably helped achieve that aim.

However, reducing the spread among the HEALTHY population to such a large degree may have prolonged the waves.
Without a "No lockdown" control group, it is impossible to say definitively.

A secondary consequence of the Lockdown is lower overall immunity as people have not been exposed to the normal bugs that typically circulate.
I haven't had a s much as a sniffle in over a year, which is unusual for me.
Further to that is the litany of cognitive and physical health impacts affecting ALL cohorts, arising from lack of access to normal health services, screening, and elective procedures.

Crude is certainly the word for it.
The WHO advises lockdowns be short and sharp, that is probably where the benefits really lie.

CalamariFritti

Allinall wrote: »

Proof that mitigating measures were very effective.

Whatever it is it ain't 'proof' in any case.

gctest50

kleiner feigling wrote: »

...........

Here in Ireland, hospitals never reached capacity........

Hospitals here cancelled screenings, procedures etc. Once they had to cancel even one procedure they were at capacity

Ficheall

patnor1011 wrote: »

Healthy, Alive and Terrified: 99.965587% of the Population.

Were you terrified, patnor?

kleiner feigling

gctest50 wrote: »

Hospitals here cancelled screenings, procedures etc. Once they had to cancel even one procedure they were at capacity

By that logic if the HSE cancels every procedure, discharges all patients, and has every hospital bed empty.... we would still be at capacity?

The hospitals were not at capacity. If they had been there would have been a trolley crisis.
The HSE even bought extra capacity from the Private sector which wasn't used, so the private hospitals were empty also.
I'm in the west of Ireland where cases have been low all along, and our hospitals were not full at any point. Even the ICUs were not full.
Some areas of the country were obviously busy, but we never ran out of beds/equipment

Widdensushi

kleiner feigling wrote: »

By that logic if the HSE cancels every procedure, discharges all patients, and has every hospital bed empty.... we would still be at capacity?

The hospitals were not at capacity. If they had been there would have been a trolley crisis.
The HSE even bought extra capacity from the Private sector which wasn't used, so the private hospitals were empty also.
I'm in the west of Ireland where cases have been low all along, and our hospitals were not full at any point. Even the ICUs were not full.
Some areas of the country were obviously busy, but we never ran out of beds.

Yes, at one stage last week County Cork had no patient in hospital with covid, not sure what the number is now but do feel it's time to accelerate the relaxation of restrictions in the places that are doing well.

podgeandrodge

is_that_so wrote: »

Must be about the 5th time the pharmacists have complained about being left out and of course it was on Claire Byrne, where all things COVID live.




https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0505/1213816-coronavirus-ireland/

Why are they not being let vaccinate, if supplies are available?

is_that_so

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Why are they not being let vaccinate, if supplies are available?

Yep, they'll most likely be up from June.

Igotadose

FWIW

My wife is a year older and registered the day it opened for her. Got her appointment text a week later.
The next day, I could register and did.

Fast forward nearly 2 weeks: Wife's appointment in Tralee is tomorrow. I've not heard anything since I registered. As we were trying to both go the same day for our shots, I logged into the website to see what the status of my appointment was.

Well, well.
I in fact HAVE an appointment, for Saturday. I went through the 'consent' part of the dialog, filled in the little medical questionnaire, no problem.

I called the number to see if I could reschedule for tomorrow so we don't have to make 2 long trips to Tralee, potentially with my wife not feeling well due to the vaccine tomorrow. No chance, the laminated binder jockey said hundreds of thousands trying to reschedule and all they could do was push my appointment out.

What's so scary here, is if I hadn't decided to log in, I wouldn't have found out about my appointment. I expect this is affecting other people, nothing exceptional about my signup experience.

So, if you've signed up, I'd log in and check your appointment status. They're obviously (HSE!) dropping the ball on sending out the notifications.

iamwhoiam

Igotadose wrote: »

FWIW

My wife is a year older and registered the day it opened for her. Got her appointment text a week later.
The next day, I could register and did.

Fast forward nearly 2 weeks: Wife's appointment in Tralee is tomorrow. I've not heard anything since I registered. As we were trying to both go the same day for our shots, I logged into the website to see what the status of my appointment was.

Well, well.
I in fact HAVE an appointment, for Saturday. I went through the 'consent' part of the dialog, filled in the little medical questionnaire, no problem.

I called the number to see if I could reschedule for tomorrow so we don't have to make 2 long trips to Tralee, potentially with my wife not feeling well due to the vaccine tomorrow. No chance, the laminated binder jockey said hundreds of thousands trying to reschedule and all they could do was push my appointment out.

What's so scary here, is if I hadn't decided to log in, I wouldn't have found out about my appointment. I expect this is affecting other people, nothing exceptional about my signup experience.

So, if you've signed up, I'd log in and check your appointment status. They're obviously (HSE!) dropping the ball on sending out the notifications.

You probably would have got a text today or tomorrow .

Igotadose

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You probably would have got a text today or tomorrow .

Still you should log in. Amazingly, right after I posted, I got my confirmatory text. FWIW it's 3 days notice till the appointment. Herself's was over a week's notice.

Pretty sad we have to make two long trips, but so be it.

iamwhoiam

Igotadose wrote: »

Still you should log in. Amazingly, right after I posted, I got my confirmatory text. FWIW it's 3 days notice till the appointment. Herself's was over a week's notice.

Pretty sad we have to make two long trips, but so be it.

I had my text and appointment and when i logged in it told me I was awaiting an appointment !! Its unreliable for updates on the vaccine appointments I believe

Igotadose

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I had my text and appointment and when i logged in it told me I was awaiting an appointment !! Its very unreliable I believe

Bashing the HSE's IT infrastructure is like shooting fish in a rain barrel. They've now had 5 months to get it fit for purpose, and it limps along. While the HSE's run by some highly compensated business graduate.

All predictable.

FWIW, a neighbor (older group) had his vaccine. The day of his visit, he got a call from the GP who said his wife (next age group in line but not scheduled) could join him and be vaccinated at the same time. No muss, no fuss.

Not us, though. Oh well.

iamwhoiam

Igotadose wrote: »

Bashing the HSE's IT infrastructure is like shooting fish in a rain barrel. They've now had 5 months to get it fit for purpose, and it limps along. While the HSE's run by some highly compensated business graduate.

All predictable.

FWIW, a neighbor (older group) had his vaccine. The day of his visit, he got a call from the GP who said his wife (next age group in line but not scheduled) could join him and be vaccinated at the same time. No muss, no fuss.

Not us, though. Oh well.

Three months ago we would have driven from Kerry to Donegal for a vaccine .I am thrilled to have it and must say was highly impressed by City West and the people there
You cant compare a GP who knows his patients with a well oiled very busy MVC

stephenjmcd

Igotadose wrote: »

Bashing the HSE's IT infrastructure is like shooting fish in a rain barrel. They've now had 5 months to get it fit for purpose, and it limps along. While the HSE's run by some highly compensated business graduate.

All predictable.

FWIW, a neighbor (older group) had his vaccine. The day of his visit, he got a call from the GP who said his wife (next age group in line but not scheduled) could join him and be vaccinated at the same time. No muss, no fuss.

Not us, though. Oh well.

GPs are a differently run system, the GP clearly had spare doses and followed the next in line system by inviting the wife. It happened with my own aunt, her husband got Pfizer and while she was there waiting on him the GP had a spare dose from the vial, she was in the next age group and it was either use it or chuck it.

MVCs are run differently, they have their appointments lined up well in advance and have frequent vaccine delvieries

stephenjmcd

Igotadose wrote: »

FWIW

My wife is a year older and registered the day it opened for her. Got her appointment text a week later.
The next day, I could register and did.

Fast forward nearly 2 weeks: Wife's appointment in Tralee is tomorrow. I've not heard anything since I registered. As we were trying to both go the same day for our shots, I logged into the website to see what the status of my appointment was.

Well, well.
I in fact HAVE an appointment, for Saturday. I went through the 'consent' part of the dialog, filled in the little medical questionnaire, no problem.

I called the number to see if I could reschedule for tomorrow so we don't have to make 2 long trips to Tralee, potentially with my wife not feeling well due to the vaccine tomorrow. No chance, the laminated binder jockey said hundreds of thousands trying to reschedule and all they could do was push my appointment out.

What's so scary here, is if I hadn't decided to log in, I wouldn't have found out about my appointment. I expect this is affecting other people, nothing exceptional about my signup experience.

So, if you've signed up, I'd log in and check your appointment status. They're obviously (HSE!) dropping the ball on sending out the notifications.

I'm sure the people working on HSE live really love being described and a "laminated binder jockey" for following the rules on appointments and simply doing their job

JPA

Igotadose wrote: »

Bashing the HSE's IT infrastructure is like shooting fish in a rain barrel. They've now had 5 months to get it fit for purpose, and it limps along. While the HSE's run by some highly compensated business graduate.

All predictable.

FWIW, a neighbor (older group) had his vaccine. The day of his visit, he got a call from the GP who said his wife (next age group in line but not scheduled) could join him and be vaccinated at the same time. No muss, no fuss.

Not us, though. Oh well.

Very little to be worrying about.

Igotadose

stephenjmcd wrote: »

GPs are a differently run system,

Well, that's a failing.

the GP clearly had spare doses and followed the next in line system by inviting the wife. It happened with my own aunt, her husband got Pfizer and while she was there waiting on him the GP had a spare dose from the vial, she was in the next age group and it was either use it or chuck it.

Sure, we all register and we provide Eircodes. Ya think they could, I dunno, sort by Eircode for the registered people and group the ones together that are living in the same house and due to be vaccinated in the current tranche of candidates?

I mean, *both* my spouse and I registered within a day of each other. Same Eircode, both eligible for the vaccine (we're only a year apart in age and both over 60). This is trivial, you could load the applications into a spreadsheet and sort by the eircode column.

MVCs are run differently, they have their appointments lined up well in advance and have frequent vaccine delvieries

Bull. I just got my notification *today* for an appointment *Saturday.* Their website said at least 4 days in advance. Oops, that's 3 days away.


These are IT problems and easily solved. Never going to happen here though, we're used to complaining about the HSE and it doesn't change. Why should it - they're always grand over there, so many administrators working 5 days a week and contributing nothing.

And the 'absolutely we can't change your appointment except to push it out for three weeks,' well, there's your "Services" for you.

We're going to try and see tomorrow if somehow I can get a vaccine when I accompany my wife to the center.

I doubt the center will have accurate records on confirmations and cancellations, probably we'll just ask to see if lighting will strike and they can get us both in.

seamie78

so I see todays big problem with the vaccine rollout is they don't have an option for couples to share the treasured moment together............looks like all things considered the vaccination program is going well

Igotadose

seamie78 wrote: »

so I see todays big problem with the vaccine rollout is they don't have an option for couples to share the treasured moment together............looks like all things considered the vaccination program is going well

And if my spouse reacts to the vaccine (unlikely), I get to leave her at home in a couple days for an unnecessary lengthy trip in the car.

Get over yourself.

stephenjmcd

Igotadose wrote: »

Well, that's a failing.

Sure, we all register and we provide Eircodes. Ya think they could, I dunno, sort by Eircode for the registered people and group the ones together that are living in the same house and due to be vaccinated in the current tranche of candidates?

I mean, *both* my spouse and I registered within a day of each other. Same Eircode, both eligible for the vaccine (we're only a year apart in age and both over 60). This is trivial, you could load the applications into a spreadsheet and sort by the eircode column.


Bull. I just got my notification *today* for an appointment *Saturday.* Their website said at least 4 days in advance. Oops, that's 3 days away.


These are IT problems and easily solved. Never going to happen here though, we're used to complaining about the HSE and it doesn't change. Why should it - they're always grand over there, so many administrators working 5 days a week and contributing nothing.

And the 'absolutely we can't change your appointment except to push it out for three weeks,' well, there's your "Services" for you.

We're going to try and see tomorrow if somehow I can get a vaccine when I accompany my wife to the center.

I doubt the center will have accurate records on confirmations and cancellations, probably we'll just ask to see if lighting will strike and they can get us both in.

From , Vaccine.hse.ie

After you register,

We will send you text messages with your vaccination appointment details 3 to 7 days before your appointments.


So you got 3 days notice, as mentioned. As for the rest I won't even bother , it stinks of self entitlement.

seamie78

Igotadose wrote: »

And if my spouse reacts to the vaccine (unlikely), I get to leave her at home in a couple days for an unnecessary lengthy trip in the car.

Get over yourself.

am I the one who needs to get over themselves, you should maybe remove got from your username and replace with am

Akabusi

Igotadose wrote: »

Still you should log in. Amazingly, right after I posted, I got my confirmatory text. FWIW it's 3 days notice till the appointment. Herself's was over a week's notice.

Pretty sad we have to make two long trips, but so be it.

Poor you. Hope you can get over it.