Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Turtwig

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Cocoon themselves ? These are people who work , frontline workers , carers , bus drivers , retail workers etc etc living breathing ordinary folk ?

Cohort 7 are at high risk of severe disease. They should definitely take extra care until they are vaccinated. If all of Ireland opened up tomorrow then, yes, the advice would be for these people to shield themselves as much as possible.

iamwhoiam

Turtwig wrote: »

Cohort 7 are at high risk of severe disease. They should definitely take extra care until they are vaccinated. If all of Ireland opened up tomorrow then, yes, the advice would be for these people to shield themselves as much as possible.

Or at very least you wait for them to be vaccinated before we all open up

Turtwig

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Or at very least you wait for them to be vaccinated before we all open up

Which is what we are doing within certain pragmatic limits. I think you may have misunderstood or misread the post you were replying to. It stated:

IF
Ireland opened up in the morning.
Cohort 7 should consider cocooning under they are fully vaccinated.

iamwhoiam

Turtwig wrote: »

Which is what we are doing within certain pragmatic limits. I think you may have misunderstood or misread the post you were replying to. It stated:

IF
Ireland opened up in the morning.
Cohort 7 should consider cocooning under they are fully vaccinated.

My worry right now is that Cohort 7 have been completely forgotten . Forgotten by people clammering to get under 40 etc vaccinated . Forgotten by the HSE , forgotten by GP’s and forgotten by the rollout plan . They barely get a mention in the press or media but they are falling between the cracks and it upsets me

FintanMcluskey

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Cocoon themselves ? These are people who work , frontline workers , carers , bus drivers , retail workers etc etc living breathing ordinary folk ?

Your telling me there are citizens in cohort 7 that are working as frontline HCWs and carers and not yet vaccinated?

Widdensushi

iamwhoiam wrote: »

My worry right now is that Cohort 7 have been completely forgotten . Forgotten by people clammering to get under 40 etc vaccinated . Forgotten by the HSE , forgotten by GP’s and forgotten by the rollout plan . They barely get a mention in the press or media but they are falling between the cracks and it upsets me

Seems to depend where you are from, anyone I know in cohort 7 have been vaccinated,, also know people who are neighbours but have different gps, one mid sixties calling their gp but no call for vaccination yet, the other mid forties and got a call from their gp to get the vaccine Wednesday, so one gp seems to be over twenty years ahead in age groups.

Lumen

One issue with opening up fully now is that business and unemployment supports would end but demand would still be heavily suppressed because sane people aren't going to be going into pubs and restaurants unvaccinated.

I'm not sure how you replace those supports. AFAIK normal unemployment benefits are lower than PUP and there is no fallback alternative to the business supports.

It could mean, perversely, more businesses going under.

iamwhoiam

Widdensushi wrote: »

Seems to depend where you are from, anyone I know in cohort 7 have been vaccinated,, also know people who are neighbours but have different gps, one mid sixties calling their gp but no call for vaccination yet, the other mid forties and got a call from their gp to get the vaccine Wednesday, so one gp seems to be over twenty years ahead in age groups.

Definitely depends on area and GP . Presumably some GP have less elderly on their books or less in Cohort 4 etc
Some GPs in large estates in Dublin are not even started on the cohorts

robbiezero

Lumen wrote: »

One issue with opening up fully now is that business and unemployment supports would end but demand would still be heavily suppressed because sane people aren't going to be going into pubs and restaurants unvaccinated.

I'm not sure how you replace those supports. AFAIK normal unemployment benefits are lower than PUP and there is no fallback alternative to the business supports.

It could mean, perversely, more businesses going under.

I think they would get plenty business from the unvaccinated.

TheDoctor

robbiezero wrote: »

I think they would get plenty business from the unvaccinated.

Places were rammed at Xmas with 0 vaccines handed out.

Mutant

Hi i have to get a covid test tomorrow so i can return to work and was wondering how long it takes to receive the results on average

Carlowgirl

Turtwig wrote: »

Cohort 7 are at high risk of severe disease. They should definitely take extra care until they are vaccinated. If all of Ireland opened up tomorrow then, yes, the advice would be for these people to shield themselves as much as possible.

What about the people that live with the vulnerable people. Like the people going back into offices or bars etc that live with vulnerable people?
That's why we have nphet advising these things. We are not ready for re opening yet.

Lumen

Carlowgirl wrote: »

What about the people that live with the vulnerable people. Like the people going back into offices or bars etc that live with vulnerable people?
That's why we have nphet advising these things. We are not ready for re opening yet.

It would perhaps be better for the supports to be directed at those people, rather than hundreds of thousands of people who aren't in that situation.

Necro

Widdensushi wrote: »

Seems to depend where you are from, anyone I know in cohort 7 have been vaccinated,, also know people who are neighbours but have different gps, one mid sixties calling their gp but no call for vaccination yet, the other mid forties and got a call from their gp to get the vaccine Wednesday, so one gp seems to be over twenty years ahead in age groups.

Very much so seemingly, I was saying in the vaccine thread yesterday that the nurse chatting to me when I got my first jab Friday was saying they're almost through their entire list of first doses (done in 2 weeks they reckon at most) and just need to do the second doses when due

Down to area and how many patients the particular practice has in the various cohorts.

In my hometown all the GPs are now practicing out of one of the Primary Healthcare Centres so you have 4 GPs plus however many trained staff vaccinating on a regular basis. In and out in about 30-40 mins including the observation period post jab.

Whereas when I took my mother in to the vaccination centre they had huge queues, people waiting over an hour. Not sure why they were so behind but it seems to be a common issue with the vaccination centres as my Dad had the same issue the previous day

Necro

Mutant wrote: »

Hi i have to get a covid test tomorrow so i can return to work and was wondering how long it takes to receive the results on average

If you get the test tomorrow you can expect results within 24 - 48 hrs in most cases presuming it's done through HSE.

Turtwig

Carlowgirl wrote: »

What about the people that live with the vulnerable people. Like the people going back into offices or bars etc that live with vulnerable people?
That's why we have nphet advising these things. We are not ready for re opening yet.

It's a hypothetical that doesn't apply to Ireland.
They would have to decide if they were going to shield or cocoon with these vulnerable individuals.

Happydays2020

Any idea how much each test is costing the State?

TheDoctor

Hospital numbers at 8pm

Total 135 (up from 128 last night)
ICU 40 (down from 41 last night - 1 death)

Last Monday
Total 151
ICU 45

Increase from 122 to 135 over a bank holiday weekend. Very good numbers.
Should see a drop tomorrow

ShineOn7

TheDoctor wrote: »

Hospital numbers at 8pm

I think today is like a Sunday in that there's no discharges?

So we could be seeing big discharge numbers tomorrow

podgeandrodge

Irish Times. This news won't help in encouraging people.


Denmark on Monday became the first country to exclude Johnson & Johnson’s Covid-19 vaccines from its vaccination programme over a potential link to a rare but serious form of blood clot.

The move comes after the Nordic country last month stopped using AstraZeneca’s vaccine altogether, citing similar concerns.

The country’s health authority said in a statement it had found that “the benefits of using the Covid-19 vaccine from Johnson & Johnson do not outweigh the risk of causing the possible adverse effect in those who receive the vaccine”.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/denmark-stops-use-of-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-1.4554449


“Taking the present situation in Denmark into account, what we are currently losing in our effort to prevent severe illness from Covid-19 cannot outweigh the risk of causing possible side effects in the form of severe blood clots in those we vaccinate,” the health authority said.


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/denmark-excludes-jj-shot-vaccine-programme-local-media-reports-2021-05-03/

blowitupref

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I think today is like a Sunday in that there's no discharges?

So we could be seeing big discharge numbers tomorrow

That is correct.

Geuze

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Any idea how much each test is costing the State?

I have seen 150-200 quoted per PCR test.

podgeandrodge

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Irish Times. This news won't help in encouraging people.


Denmark on Monday became the first country to exclude Johnson & Johnson’s Covid-19 vaccines from its vaccination programme over a potential link to a rare but serious form of blood clot.

The move comes after the Nordic country last month stopped using AstraZeneca’s vaccine altogether, citing similar concerns.

The country’s health authority said in a statement it had found that “the benefits of using the Covid-19 vaccine from Johnson & Johnson do not outweigh the risk of causing the possible adverse effect in those who receive the vaccine”.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/denmark-stops-use-of-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-1.4554449


“Taking the present situation in Denmark into account, what we are currently losing in our effort to prevent severe illness from Covid-19 cannot outweigh the risk of causing possible side effects in the form of severe blood clots in those we vaccinate,” the health authority said.


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/denmark-excludes-jj-shot-vaccine-programme-local-media-reports-2021-05-03/

It's going to be harder to have a go at people concerned about this vaccine or Astra, when an EU country makes a statement that the risks outweigh the benefits.

With hospital numbers plummetting right now, is there a bigger case to follow suit?

Van.Bosch

Geuze wrote: »

I have seen 150-200 quoted per PCR test.

If I can get one for 99 with Randox you would hope the state can get it cheaper, especially as they are doing 18,000 per day

AlekSmart

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's time to attract people who've existed???
Maybe work out what's wrong with that sentence and you'll work out what's wrong with whatever bogus theory you're trying to peddle here.

You're attempting to 'other' anyone without a 'healthy natural immune system', whatever the **** that means.
What's an un-natural immune system???

TLDR perhaps ?

Anyway here goes again....

Perhaps it's time to attract those who've existed and often worked for the past 14 months,and NOT developed any symptoms,NOT taken any special precautions save for occasionally masking up in shops or where otherwise legally required to do so.

I'm not attempting to "other" anybody,but I am asking if any attention is being paid to those who have NOT had symptoms throughout this,and in some cases still returned a Negative verdict when Voluntarily being tested. ?

I would suggest that such people may well have a healthy "Natural" Immune system,functioning well in the absence of specific vaccine assistance.

Is it the case that such people will survive this pandemic unscathed ?

Or,is it the case that we must ignore them and their good health as they may be bogus ? ?

timsey tiger

AlekSmart wrote: »

TLDR perhaps ?

Anyway here goes again....

I'm not attempting to "other" anybody,but I am asking if any attention is being paid to those who have NOT had symptoms throughout this,and in some cases still returned a Negative verdict when Voluntarily being tested. ?

I would suggest that such people may well have a healthy "Natural" Immune system,functioning well in the absence of specific vaccine assistance.

Is it the case that such people will survive this pandemic unscathed ?

Or,is it the case that we must ignore them and their good health as they may be bogus ? ?

Oh, it is definately this and not the fact that the vast majority of the population has not been exposed to covid.

timsey tiger

Van.Bosch wrote: »

If I can get one for 99 with Randox you would hope the state can get it cheaper, especially as they are doing 18,000 per day

You would hope, but would you rely on it?

FishOnABike

Mutant wrote: »

Hi i have to get a covid test tomorrow so i can return to work and was wondering how long it takes to receive the results on average

If it is done privately, same as needed for foreign travel to most countries i.e. negative PCR test result within the last 72 or 48 hours, most services have a next day result .

BlondeBomb

Hospital cases up to 144 this morning (8am) from 135 last night (8pm).

I am guessing we will be down below 120/130 again this evening given the weekend/bank holiday lack of discharges.

Chris_5339762

I'm waiting for a hysterial headline from RTE "COVID HOSPITAL CASES UP 10% IN ONE NIGHT, CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER EXTREMELY CONCERNED. NEW SURGE ALMOST GUARANTEED"

is_that_so

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

I'm waiting for a hysterial headline from RTE "COVID HOSPITAL CASES UP 10% IN ONE NIGHT, CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER EXTREMELY CONCERNED. NEW SURGE ALMOST GUARANTEED"

Nope! Bill Gates divorce, some updates on changes today and a spat about a soccer player.

eigrod

Daily Hospital admissions have been in single figures for 4 days in a row now. It would appear there is very very little serious Covid cases out there now.

BlondeBomb

Hospital cases up to 144 this morning (8am) from 135 last night (8pm).

I am guessing we will be down below 120/130 again this evening given the weekend/bank holiday lack of discharges.

Wolf359f

BlondeBomb wrote: »

Hospital cases up to 144 this morning (8am) from 135 last night (8pm).

I am guessing we will be down below 120/130 again this evening given the weekend/bank holiday lack of discharges.

Should see a bigger decrease than that. Last Monday had 37 discharges (obviously that's only reported on the Tuesday) with it being a bank holiday, I'd expect to see a big reduction in the 8pm figures this evening.

Wolf359f

Wolf359f wrote: »

Should see a bigger decrease than that. Last Monday had 37 discharges (obviously that's only reported on the Tuesday) with it being a bank holiday, I'd expect to see a big reduction in the 8pm figures this evening.

Not specific to covid, but the weekend bounce really highlights what is probably the biggest issue threatening the efficiency of Irish hospitals - the grinding to a halt of discharges over the weekend. The hospital is on the backfoot from Monday morning, only getting stable by Thursday/ Friday - right in time for the weekend slowdown

Vicxas

Any leaks of this proposed new vaccine rollout?

Stheno

Vicxas wrote: »

Any leaks of this proposed new vaccine rollout?

Sticking with the age groups plan, may give J&J to the over 40s along with AZ apparently

AdamD

Irish Times saying they may use the 'no other option available' to offer J&J to under 50s. Hopefully this happens

Following discussions between health officials and Ministers in recent days it is expected that the same approach will apply to under-50s as to over-50s – meaning that some people in their 40s could be offered the Johnson & Johnson or AstraZeneca shots.

The revised plan has been under consideration since the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (Niac) last week advised that AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines should not be given to the under-50s where possible.

However, officials believe that offering the two vaccines to people aged under- 50 would not contravene the Niac recommendations, which said use should not be restricted if no other option is available.

Lumen

Deleted User wrote: »

Not specific to covid, but the weekend bounce really highlights what is probably the biggest issue threatening the efficiency of Irish hospitals - the grinding to a halt of discharges over the weekend. The hospital is on the backfoot from Monday morning, only getting stable by Thursday/ Friday - right in time for the weekend slowdown

Discharges don't matter as far as tracking development of disease incidence, they're too laggy (like deaths).

What matters is hospital admissions, and those continue to decline.

It looks like we're just crossing the 10-per-day mimimum admissions rate we had last autumn.

Don't ask me what the difference is between the two indicators. One is called SUM_number_of_new_covid_19_cases_co and the other SUM_no_new_admissions_covid19_p, and neither is defined anywhere publicly that I can find. A data dictionary would be useful.

Wolf359f

Lumen wrote: »

Discharges don't matter as far as tracking development of disease incidence, they're too laggy (like deaths).

What matters is hospital admissions, and those continue to decline.

It looks like we're just crossing the 10-per-day mimimum admissions rate we had last autumn.

Don't ask me what the difference is between the two indicators. One is called SUM_number_of_new_covid_19_cases_co and the other SUM_no_new_admissions_covid19_p, and neither is defined anywhere publicly that I can find. A data dictionary would be useful.

SUM_no_new_admissions_covid19_p was used on the hub up to a few months ago as hospital admissions. They now use SUM_number_of_new_covid_19_cases_co in it's place.
The first seemed to indicate someone being admitted with covid issues/symptoms and the latter being all positive cases detected in hospital.

cameramonkey

Lumen wrote: »

Discharges don't matter as far as tracking development of disease incidence, they're too laggy (like deaths).

What matters is hospital admissions, and those continue to decline.

It looks like we're just crossing the 10-per-day mimimum admissions rate we had last autumn.

Don't ask me what the difference is between the two indicators. One is called SUM_number_of_new_covid_19_cases_co and the other SUM_no_new_admissions_covid19_p, and neither is defined anywhere publicly that I can find. A data dictionary would be useful.

Have you a link to that page. Thanks.

Lumen

cameramonkey wrote: »

Have you a link to that page. Thanks.

It's a screenshot of my own spreadsheet. The data is from

https://hub.arcgis.com/datasets/fe9bb23592ec4142a4f4c2c9bd32f749_0/data?orderBy=Date&orderByAsc=false

Lumen

One issue with hospital admissions data is that I don't think it reflects people suffering from COVID (as opposed to testing positive).

Like, if we have 5,000* acute hospital admissions a day and a community positive rate of 2%, we should expect 100 "admissions with COVID" a day, even if none of them are suffering from COVID (D for Disease). But I think we "COVID" test people before letting them into hospital (does that happen for "acute" hospitals?), so that reduces the numbers to those that have picked it up since their negative test.

All of which means I have no idea what the "right" number is for "COVID" hospital admissions, other than the near-zero we'll get when the positivity rate in the community is near zero.

(*) random number

AlmightyCushion

Lumen wrote: »

One issue with hospital admissions data is that I don't think it reflects people suffering from COVID (as opposed to testing positive).

Like, if we have 5,000* acute hospital admissions a day and a community positive rate of 2%, we should expect 100 "admissions with COVID" a day, even if none of them are suffering from COVID (D for Disease). But I think we "COVID" test people before letting them into hospital (does that happen for "acute" hospitals?), so that reduces the numbers to those that have picked it up since their negative test.

All of which means I have no idea what the "right" number is for "COVID" hospital admissions, other than the near-zero we'll get when the positivity rate in the community is near zero.

(*) random number

Except the 2% positivity rate isn't from a random sampling of the community. It comes from people presenting for testing which would have a much higher positivity rate than the general population. If 2% of swabs are positive today, it doesn't mean that if they tested the entire country that 2% would test positive.

Lumen

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Except the 2% positivity rate isn't from a random sampling of the community. It comes from people presenting for testing which would have a much higher positivity rate than the general population. If 2% of swabs are positive today, it doesn't mean that if they tested the entire country that 2% would test positive.

Sure, I knocked it down a bit from the 3-ish% it is reported as. I have no idea what the actual positive rate is.

So, to summarise:

- How many people are admitted to hospital suffering from COVID? Don't know.
- How many people in the community are infected? Don't know.

I assume this level of ignorance is universal, and that I haven't missed some insightful government briefigs.

podgeandrodge

Does anyone know in general, what vaccines GP's have at the moment - do they get supplies of all of them, or is it confined to certain vaccines?

timmyntc

Lumen wrote: »

Sure, I knocked it down a bit from the 3-ish% it is reported as. I have no idea what the actual positive rate is.

So, to summarise:

- How many people are admitted to hospital suffering from COVID? Don't know.
- How many people in the community are infected? Don't know.

I assume this level of ignorance is universal, and that I haven't missed some insightful government briefigs.

We do know how many are admitted to hospital. They will have been tested on admission so its all recorded.

As for the 2nd stat - its impossible to accurately know this because unless you test everyone you'll never know for sure. You can do representative mass testing in areas and make inferences but you can only get so accurate from that.

Stheno

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Does anyone know in general, what vaccines GP's have at the moment - do they get supplies of all of them, or is it confined to certain vaccines?

Seem to have them all,, there was an article in the indo (I think ) yesterday about needing to use up AZ before they expire

Wolf359f

Stheno wrote: »

Seem to have them all,, there was an article in the indo (I think ) yesterday about needing to use up AZ before they expire

AZ lasts up to 6 months in a fridge, there's no vials hanging around that long.
From my understanding, GP's only get pfizer or moderna, not both.

is_that_so

Donegal Gardai setting up hotline for COVID breaches. All for letting people make their best decisions during this but all sorts of "suboptimal" behaviour at work here

Outbreaks have been linked to wakes, beach parties and birthday celebrations

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/donegal-garda%C3%AD-set-up-hotline-for-covid-breaches-1.4554987