Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117660979#Comment_117660979

That's how everything should be. Advise, and let people make their own risk assessment. It's getting beyond ridiculous now that these restrictions are still going on in Ireland.

Meanwhile, in the US we've had indoor dining constantly since last May, before there were even vaccines. Theres been surges and drops in cases during that time, restrictions or not. It's called actually living with covid.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661350#Comment_117661350

Yup, and only 600k+ died from covid, that's how you live with it, it's just others have to die for it.

I certainly would not be holding the USA up as such a poster child for how to live with covid.

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661375#Comment_117661375

600k died after testing positive for covid. Not exactly the same as them all dying "from covid". People who died in car accidents and shootings were included. I guess in a few years we will have a better idea of the death toll, some places have already started going through the death records and adjusting the numbers

https://abc7news.com/covid-death-count-alameda-county-deaths-19-cases/10755419/

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/santa-clara-countys-covid-19-death-toll-drops-by-505-after-data-change/2585739/

Sweet.Science

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-wants-clearer-data-on-hospital-admissions-as-delta-threat-grows-40688984.html

Good man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661350#Comment_117661350

I am very much of the opinion that it's a consequence of a non-functioning fourth estate and no opposition. The US has an amazing constitution and opposition in the form of the Republican Party, Fox, OAN, Newsmax etc (one doesn't have to like them to acknowledge that they exist). In Ireland the opposition comes from a handful of Independent TDs.

FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661136#Comment_117661136

Test isn't really a viable option.

1. Who is going to pay €140 or thereabouts for a test to be able to go to the pub or a meal for a night or two?
2. An email test result is too easily forged so the digital CoViD cert is the only reasonably secure method we have to use.
3. Turnaround time to get the digital CoViD cert makes it unviable to use for a test which only has a few days validity and which only indicates CoViD status at the time the test was taken.

FintanMcluskey

So only 6 fully vaccinated adults allowed at a table until half 11 with warnings on the radio not to jeopardise schools returning

there will be huge restrictions on personal freedom in summer 2022 in Ireland unless the metrics used to justify them are adjusted

podgeandrodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661150#Comment_117661150

Yeah, I probably didn't word it right. When I said "more worried about kids passing it on" I didn't mean myself. (Though if a couple of snotty kids get near me, their parents will know about it!) I'll be one of the first into the pub, whether there are kids there or not. I just think that it is dubious to restrict patrons to vaccinated patrons but let kids inside right now when there are still a lot of cases. From what I gather, kids can transmit too, even if they don't get too ill, so what's the difference between kids being allowed in to mix with vaccinated adults, and unvaccinated adults being allowed in? Less kids going in, sure, which would make a big difference, but the actual logic....they are more likely to pass it on to potentially vulnerable vaccinated adults than if access was, currently, restricted to vaccinated adults. That must be true no?

Klonker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661586#Comment_117661586

Only took them about 18 months.

I can see Tony Holohan and co pushing back against this though and so we'll hear no more about it ever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661586#Comment_117661586

Something that people here have been mentioning for a very very long time. It’s interesting how views that were once derided are now mainstream..

(and I do remember people used to joke about how “oh there’s hardly any people with a broken leg being included in the figures”).

FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661151#Comment_117661151

It's not just down to personalities. Rapid antigen tests have a very poor record when it comes to false negative rates. You would almost be as well flipping a coin.

https://www.healthline.com/health/how-accurate-are-rapid-covid-tests#how-accurate-is-it

"Rapid tests come with a high risk of giving a false negative result." ... "In another study published in April 2021, researchers compared the accuracy of four types of COVID-19 rapid antigen tests. The researchers found that all four tests correctly identified a positive COVID-19 case about half the time"

podgeandrodge

But can it be argued that they are at least catching half the cases, which is still better? (I don't know, not really read up about these, I'm genuingly asking)

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117660467#Comment_117660467

You do seem surprisingly exercised about all of this and have now climbed to the top of the mountain to preach down at people. People will do what they do so leave them be. All you end up doing is producing a series of increasingly strident and particularly self-righteous posts.

podgeandrodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661586#Comment_117661586

Excellent.

"Patients with appendicitis, for example, or an injury, but who happen to test positive for Covid-19, should be excluded from hospitalisation data, according to a Government letter sent to the National Public Health Emergency Team".

“There are essentially three categories and we should be able to quantify them,” he said.

“The first are those admitted with Covid and being treated for it; the second category are those admitted with something else but who got Covid in hospital and are now being treated for it, and the third are those admitted for something else, who were swabbed and found positive, but who are not being treated for it.”

Some posters that were pushing that this was a waste of time because of resources in hospitals so the total was the total etc. won't be happy, but it's important that the general population actually gets to hear how many people needed to go into hospital, rather than as another poster said, a broken leg, and then finds out their sniffle (or nothing) happens to be covid."

Lumen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661668#Comment_117661668

It entirely depends on the context in which they're used.

They are useful for picking up some asymptomatic cases.

They are arguably counter-productive if used by people with symptoms because they will override the caution to isolate - people will tend to interpret a negative result as a green light ("oh, it must just be a cold").

Amadan Dubh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661611#Comment_117661611

Puritanism and abolition are the underlying theme to covid restrictions throughout the pandemic. It is very difficult to take anyone seriously when they call for restrictions which directly result in puritanism (ie social distancing) and abolition (ie pubs must be closed).

dubdaymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661636#Comment_117661636

Spot on.

The chair of the Special Committee on the Covid Response, Michael McNamara, confronted NPHET with this at the live committee meeting way back last year. To be sure to be sure he forced them twice to concede that deaths were being reported as Covid deaths even if people had died with Covid and not from Covid. NPHET then angrily stated that they "didn't like this line of questioning".

Nothing was done about it and so the Covid numbers on official records will remain forever as grossly exaggerated.

Leo is more than a year too late raising this matter.

Klonker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661651#Comment_117661651

Yeah let's use the test that can pick up trace amounts of covid months after you've had it or picks up covid even if you're not infectious as the base rate that all other tests are compared to for accuracy.

funnydoggy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661816#Comment_117661816

I remember something along the lines of this! I can't for the life of me remember where or when it happened. You wouldn't have a link would you??? Thanks dubdaymo!

ednwireland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661586#Comment_117661586

you wouldnt think that hes part of the team in charge that can actually effect such a change, with his statements.

comes out with stuff like theres nothing he can do about it !

leahyl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661851#Comment_117661851

Sounds like he's in opposition to me 😁

Doctor Jimbob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661651#Comment_117661651

Allowing entry with antigen tests would do a better job of keeping out those who have the virus than the current policy of letting in unvaccinated under 18s with no checks whatsoever.

I can somewhat understand the opposition to antigen tests when it comes to international travel even if I don't agree with it. I'm completely baffled by it in the context of our current indoor dining restrictions.

Yes, and what is his game here.

We are making decisions based on NEPHETs modelling and being far more restricted in how we live our lives because of it.

PhilipNolan said we would have a few thousand in hospital so the Government deferred indoor dining, elsewhere in Europe people have been socialising indoors for months.

So are these covid hospital numbers people who are ill enough to be admitted, this would make us think caution is right, if however covid is now endemic in the population to the extent that s large number of people needing limbs etc put in cast are testing positive then we do need to re open faster in line with our neighbours.

Our young people are watching their peers in Europe living their lives snd then listening to NEPHET, they will leave in their thousands and their skills and education will be put to use elsewhere.

we will lose the best and brightest of our graduates and they wont come back.

Klonker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661816#Comment_117661816

At least he's finally raising it, he'll probably get chastised by some of his cabinet colleagues for even mentioning it and going against the narrative NPHET want to show. It's especially important now because vaccinated people are now showing up in hospital numbers which is scaring a lot of older people. It would be great if it could be shown that a lot of these vaccinated people are in there for other reasons and their covid symptoms are mild.

He is a medical Doctor so should have raised this long before now.

He knows we are a complete outlier in Europe now and this is because he allowed a group of medical advisers to tell him what to do.

when are we going to have proper political leadership again.

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661586#Comment_117661586

Only asking for this now... This should have been asked for a year ago

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661631#Comment_117661631

Potentially vulnerable vaccinated adults!?

Is this where we are now? Back to where we started as if no vaccine program ever undertaken?

How about this miniscule cohort stay at home if that's how they see themselves and let the rest of society get on with life? Living with the handbrakes on for the rest of eternity because of a tiny minority is hysterical.

FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661894#Comment_117661894

It makes sense to have visibility on both, acute CoViD patients who need active in-hospital treatment and those being treated for something else but needing isolation because of a coincidental but not needing treatment CoViD infection, so there is visibility on the overall impact on hospital resources.

How much information does the general public need before information overload makes it difficult to see the wood for the trees?

Lucas Hood

141 in hospital as of 8am. Would expect a big portion of them to be discharged today.

I was once referred to the conspiracy forum when I suggested that there was lots of people in hospital "with" Covid as opposed to "Of" Covid.

Several posters attacked me with things like "As if people with broken arms, legs are included in the numbers".

Well there you have it folks. The Tanaiste has confirmed it for us. It would have been useful to have this information a year ago.

How many actually needed treatment back in Jan when Covid was spreading mainly in the hospitals?

I'm also pretty appalled if the government used this data to make decisions and didn't have the full picture.