Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Russman · 28-06-2021 09:18AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Until we don't have perspex screens or limits on numbers, and the whole game of musical masks stops, we won't be back to a proper/normal reopening.
.

I think there will be some elements (maybe those mentioned above, maybe different ones) that will be with us for a very long time. I genuinely think that anyone expecting us to go back to "exactly" as things were is going to be very disappointed. How different or not the future is, is up for debate, maybe it'll be 99.9% what it was, maybe 98%, who knows, but things have changed utterly whether we like it or not IMHO.

VinLieger · 28-06-2021 09:19AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Have a look there this morning and try and get a booking for any weekend coming soon. You'll find it quite difficult. The demand is most certainly there.

I also know of places that prematurely started taking indoor bookings, again not a booking to be got

It might not be your cup of tea but each time hospitality has reopened there's been no issue with lack of demand be it indoor or outdoor

Indeed, theres huge demand, its impossible to get a table for the next several weeks, that poster is talking through their hat.

28-06-2021 09:25AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Have a look there this morning and try and get a booking for any weekend coming soon. You'll find it quite difficult. The demand is most certainly there.

I also know of places that prematurely started taking indoor bookings, again not a booking to be got

It might not be your cup of tea but each time hospitality has reopened there's been no issue with lack of demand be it indoor or outdoor

No lack of demand for sure but booking thing off putting for some. The idea of booking in for a pint, spontaneity gone out the window.

Vicxas · 28-06-2021 09:27AM

NPHET meeting today so throw us all under the bus, so we'll probably have an announcement tomorrow from MM

_Kaiser_ · 28-06-2021 09:28AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Indeed, theres huge demand, its impossible to get a table for the next several weeks, that poster is talking through their hat.

Demand may be high from those who have been cooped up for most of the last year and understandably want a change of scenery, but I wonder how many will return, or as often, under the current setups once the novelty of eating out/in again has worn off.

As Dempo said, dining is as much an experience (that we pay a premium for) as anything else. I'd be inclined to agree with him that sitting in a confined/limited space, having screens or masked servers around me (and having to mask on/off if I want to go to the toilet or whatever), and paying (presumably) more than before to cover the added costs of all this, doesn't sound very appealing - nor does the idea of having to plan and schedule everything rather than spontaneously deciding to just go for a bit to eat.

Not my idea of a fun evening out TBH.

Murph85 · 28-06-2021 09:29AM

Deleted User wrote: »

“And the prize for fiction goes to….Richard Hillman”

I'd say his prediction is spot on , if not erring on the side of caution, given the farce we have had to endure here... I'd expect lockdown to be justified and restrictions ad they are, to save one life a year, the way this nonsense has gone

zackory · 28-06-2021 09:49AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Demand may be high from those who have been cooped up for most of the last year and understandably want a change of scenery, but I wonder how many will return, or as often, under the current setups once the novelty of eating out/in again has worn off.

As Dempo said, dining is as much an experience (that we pay a premium for) as anything else. I'd be inclined to agree with him that sitting in a confined/limited space, having screens or masked servers around me (and having to mask on/off if I want to go to the toilet or whatever), and paying (presumably) more than before to cover the added costs of all this, doesn't sound very appealing - nor does the idea of having to plan and schedule everything rather than spontaneously deciding to just go for a bit to eat.

Not my idea of a fun evening out TBH.

The novelty will wear off too.

Also questions about viability once this happens, places need large bookings too, communions, tour buses, 40th birthday parties to make them viable.

These pointless rules won't be with us long.

28-06-2021 09:50AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Demand may be high from those who have been cooped up for most of the last year and understandably want a change of scenery, but I wonder how many will return, or as often, under the current setups once the novelty of eating out/in again has worn off.

As Dempo said, dining is as much an experience (that we pay a premium for) as anything else. I'd be inclined to agree with him that sitting in a confined/limited space, having screens or masked servers around me (and having to mask on/off if I want to go to the toilet or whatever), and paying (presumably) more than before to cover the added costs of all this, doesn't sound very appealing - nor does the idea of having to plan and schedule everything rather than spontaneously deciding to just go for a bit to eat.

Not my idea of a fun evening out TBH.

Heard recently a couple with their 25 person wedding were streaming music at the hotel wedding reception, the guests started dancing , the hotel manager nearly had a melt down and ordered them all to sit down again!

M_Murphy57 · 28-06-2021 09:57AM

Murph85 wrote: »

I'd say his prediction is spot on , if not erring on the side of caution, given the farce we have had to endure here... I'd expect lockdown to be justified and restrictions ad they are, to save one life a year, the way this nonsense has gone

Just posted this on another thread, but "save one life a year" is literally where are at now

Rte reporting that NPHET models show a delay of 2 weeks could reduce case by 10%. At our current levels that's 30 people*, mostly young people who wont even have symptoms let alone end up in hospital or die. Extending pup and business support for 2 weeks will cost a few hundred million.

So burn a few hundred million to stop 30 asymptomatic cases that will be no burden on the health system? Have we officially completely lost the plot?

*to try to make the numbers sound big and scary, rte mentioned that under "certain special circumstances" we could be at 1000 cases by July 5th meaning we would prevent a whole 100 cases. Obviously they didn't elaborate on these "special" vague circumstances were. Follow the science.

Stheno · 28-06-2021 09:58AM

Vicxas wrote: »

NPHET meeting today so throw us all under the bus, so we'll probably have an announcement tomorrow from MM

You mean the decision will be leaked by 10 pm this evening? :pac:

Stheno · 28-06-2021 10:01AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Just posted this on another thread, but "save one life a year" is literally where are at now

Rte reporting that NPHET models show a delay of 2 weeks could reduce case by 10%. At our current levels that's 30 people*, mostly young people who wont even have symptoms let alone end up in hospital or die. Extending pup and business support for 2 weeks will cost a few hundred million.

So burn a few hundred million to stop 30 asymptomatic cases that will be no burden on the health system? Have we officially completely lost the plot?

*to try to make the numbers sound big and scary, rte mentioned that under "certain special circumstances" we could be at 1000 cases by July 5th meaning we would prevent a whole 100 cases. Obviously they didn't elaborate on these "special" vague circumstances were. Follow the science.

Eh that's not exactly what they said

A member of the National Public Health Emergency Team's epidemiological modelling advisory group has suggested that a two-week delay on the resumption of indoor dining could reduce any rise in cases of the Covid-19 Delta variant by 10%.

Professor Cathal Walsh said that projections show there could be 1,000 cases a day by the end of July in certain scenarios.

He said modelling suggests this could reduce to 900 instead of 1,000 cases if reopening is delayed by two weeks and vaccination increases.

Prof Walsh, who is a professor of statistics at the University of Limerick, said that vaccination will mitigate the effects of the growth of cases.

He said that age cohort modelling has taken place to see where those cases could be, adding the majority will be among the unvaccinated, younger age groups.

Prof Walsh also said that modelling shows that hospitalisation from the Delta variant is less than in earlier waves.

Dempo1 · 28-06-2021 10:01AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Have a look there this morning and try and get a booking for any weekend coming soon. You'll find it quite difficult. The demand is most certainly there.

I also know of places that prematurely started taking indoor bookings, again not a booking to be got

It might not be your cup of tea but each time hospitality has reopened there's been no issue with lack of demand be it indoor or outdoor

I'm not sure what your suggesting re cup of Tea is about but can guess it's presumptuous nonsense.

With over 30 years hospitality experience, including several running my own restaurant leads me to my assessment the industry will not be the same for quite some time, re the booking, yes, we've equally heard of the disgraceful no shows. Any sensible restaurant owner I know is not touching bookings at the moment and infact is staying clear of such a service for the foreseeable future, they've reduced staff, re twigged menu's, streamlining in order to survive when they reopen.

There's a simple concept you may not understand about a restaurants viability, any, and I mean any restrictions that impair its ability to trade, whether it be social distancing, barriers to what is called "service", reduced numbers etc will by default make that business unviable. Its about bums on seats and turning those tables over.

This aside, I know personally 3 restaurants currently debating if its even viable to open again, they've had to contend with substantial debts that have built up, mainly Rental debts and the figures are eye watering, at a minimum and if trading normally (not going to happen) it will take years to pay outstanding rents.

I've also worked in restructuring, hotels, food businesses and I can tell you I've never seen it so bad, even after the last financial crash, finance, supports almost impossible to get.

So I'm quite simply saying, like it or not, the restaurant business model has been utterly affected and its not going to recover over night, I'm sure many other business will have similar challenges. I sometimes think people think, when businesses suddenly open, sure the economy will be grand, as a country we're in for an economic shock like no other. Leo's rocket launch will soon be proven to be nothing more than a cheap firework.

titan18 · 28-06-2021 10:02AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Have a look there this morning and try and get a booking for any weekend coming soon. You'll find it quite difficult. The demand is most certainly there.

I also know of places that prematurely started taking indoor bookings, again not a booking to be got

It might not be your cup of tea but each time hospitality has reopened there's been no issue with lack of demand be it indoor or outdoor

Tbf, there's also far less capacity than normal so it's likelier that things will be booked out. It's the same with the cinema, any new film is sold out for several days in advance but capacity is restricted so it makes sense.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 28-06-2021 10:03AM

So what's the plan for the week

NPHET today.
Cabinet Sub Committee tomorrow.
Full Cabinet Wednesday.
Announcement Thursday.

When will we here the plan?

Stheno · 28-06-2021 10:04AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

So what's the plan for the week

NPHET today.
Cabinet Sub Committee tomorrow.
Full Cabinet Wednesday.
Announcement Thursday.

When will we here the plan?

Apparently they will make an announcement on reopening/not reopenjing tomorrow

Also if they delay indoor dining allegedly they will increase wedding numbers to 50 and up to four households can gather together

I'm not seeing that logic

Dempo1 · 28-06-2021 10:06AM

zackory wrote: »

The novelty will wear off too.

Also questions about viability once this happens, places need large bookings too, communions, tour buses, 40th birthday parties to make them viable.

These pointless rules won't be with us long.

Tour Buses? I used to run these out of my place years ago, Tea and scone merchants, shared pots of tea, using toilet facilities and leaving, I even had American tourists asking for two straws with a bottle of coke and sharing a bowl of soup with two spoons, I'm not kidding, I know tourist towns have as good as barred them.

stephenjmcd · 28-06-2021 10:07AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

I'm not sure what your suggesting re cup of Tea is about but can guess it's presumptuous nonsense.

With over 30 years hospitality experience, including several running my own restaurant leads me to my assessment the industry will not be the same for quite some time, re the booking, yes, we've equally heard of the disgraceful no shows. Any sensible restaurant owner I know is not touching bookings at the moment and infact is staying clear of such a service for the foreseeable future, they've reduced staff, re twigged menu's, streamlining in order to survive when they reopen.

There's a simple concept you may not understand about a restaurants viability, any, and I mean any restrictions that impair its ability to trade, whether it be social distancing, barriers to what is called "service", reduced numbers etc will by default make that business unviable. Its about bums on seats and turning those tables over.

This aside, I know personally 3 restaurants currently debating if its even viable to open again, they've had to contend with substantial debts that have built up, mainly Rental debts and the figures are eye watering, at a minimum and if trading normally (not going to happen) it will take years to pay outstanding rents.

I've also worked in restructuring, hotels, food businesses and I can tell you I've never seen it so bad, even after the last financial crash, finance, supports almost impossible to get.

So I'm quite simply saying, like it or not, the restaurant business model has been utterly affected and its not going to recover over night, I'm sure many other business will have similar challenges. I sometimes think people think, when businesses suddenly open, sure the economy will be grand, as a country we're in for an economic shock like no other. Leo's rocket launch will soon be proven to be nothing more than a cheap firework.

Thanks for the essay. You said demand isn't there and people won't be rushing out. It quite clearly is and they are going out in numbers that was the point made, the rest I'm not all that interested in. You might not like the current dining experience, hence the it might not be your cup of tea comment, but that doesn't mean that demand isn't there

M_Murphy57 · 28-06-2021 10:08AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Tour Buses? I used to run these out of my place years ago, Tea and scone merchants, shared pots of tea, using toilet facilities and leaving, I even had American tourists asking for two straws with a bottle of coke and sharing a bowl of soup with two spoons, I'm not kidding, I know tourist towns have as good as barred them.

Don't forget 1 cup of tea and a large pot of hot water

Dempo1 · 28-06-2021 10:08AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Indeed, theres huge demand, its impossible to get a table for the next several weeks, that poster is talking through their hat.

Read my response slowly, might help you better understand the reality of the restaurant business

the kelt · 28-06-2021 10:08AM

Stheno wrote: »

Apparently they will make an announcement on reopening/not reopenjing tomorrow

Also if they delay indoor dining allegedly they will increase wedding numbers to 50 and up to four households can gather together

I'm not seeing that logic

Im sure they're following the sciennnnnccce........!!!!!????

Ah here can people even say that any more with a straight face?

Dempo1 · 28-06-2021 10:09AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Don't forget 1 cup of tea and a large pot of hot water

Yes and the F***** bringing their own tea bags

worse type of business I ever encountered.

M_Murphy57 · 28-06-2021 10:10AM

Stheno wrote: »

Eh that's not exactly what they said

Yes I paraphrased the RTE article and you have reposted it word for word. I'm not seeing any significant difference in the meaning. A delay of 2 weeks will prevent a whole 10% of cases, mostly in the young.

So my question is, why are we even considering not reopening?

Dempo1 · 28-06-2021 10:10AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thanks for the essay. You said demand isn't there and people won't be rushing out. It quite clearly is and they are going out in numbers that was the point made, the rest I'm not all that interested in. You might not like the current dining experience, hence the it might not be your cup of tea comment, but that doesn't mean that demand isn't there

Your snide comment was deserving of an essay, hope it wasn't too exhausting, your comment clearly had nothing to do with dining experience, it was suggestive of the fact I some how resented restrictions being eased.

Stheno · 28-06-2021 10:12AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Yes I paraphrased the RTE article and you have reposted it word for word. I'm not seeing any significant difference in the meaning. A delay of 2 weeks will prevent a whole 10% of cases, mostly in the young.

So my question is, why are we even considering not reopening?

You said they said we could have 1000 cases by July 5th, not the end of July

"Abundance of caution" reason as usual I suppose?

I thought the comments by that NPHET person were more positive than I expected after your post

stephenjmcd · 28-06-2021 10:14AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Your snide comment was deserving of an essay, hope it wasn't too exhausting

What is snide about saying have a look and see if you can get a booking so ? It's quite true, see can you get a booking, it'll be difficult hence there is demand. Where did I say anything about you resenting restrictions bring eased ? You seem to have come up with that one. I'm only talking about 1 point the demand for hospitality in its current format

You know you can respond to people in a civil manner without the need for childish retorts

CIARAN_BOYLE · 28-06-2021 10:16AM

Stheno wrote: »

Apparently they will make an announcement on reopening/not reopenjing tomorrow

Hopefully they do.

It will be good to see what the plan is.

To be honest it's indoor sports classes I'm waiting on more than anything. I'm expecting it to be delayed as more younger people would use those and they are by and large non vaccinated as of yet.

VinLieger · 28-06-2021 10:18AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Read my response slowly, might help you better understand the reality of the restaurant business

LOL get off your high horse with your condescending attitude, im more than aware of the realities of the restaurant business.

eigrod · 28-06-2021 10:18AM

McConkey on Claire Byrne (a big surprise, I know) actually advocating a cautious re-opening next week. I think I need to lie down.

Dempo1 · 28-06-2021 10:18AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What is snide about saying have a look and see if you can get a booking so ? It's quite true, see can you get a booking, it'll be difficult hence there is demand.

You know you can respond to people in a civil manner without the need for childish retorts

I suggest you read back on your OP, the childishness was infact your attempt to suggest I somehow resent easing of restrictions, you've clearly not a clue how the hospitality sector works let alone appreciate the hurdles it faces even after reopening.

I'll leave it that.

Dempo1 · 28-06-2021 10:19AM

VinLieger wrote: »

LOL get off your high horse with your condescending attitude, im more than aware of the realities of the restaurant business.

Shocking isn't it

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