Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

You were explicit in calling me Anti Vax...you have done it repeatedly....it's a nasty attempt to undermine any point I make, it is infantile!

At least have the maturity to accept your behaviour.

You have listed a load of separate issues there, it is perfectly plausible to have varying opinions on each of them....

Your difficulty is you cannot fathom how someone can be critical of severe lockdowns and yet be pro vaccine....it hurts your brain trying to figure that out....yet it is perfectly plausible to any reasonable individual even if you disagree.

Have you demonstrated an ability to critically analyse each issue you listed before....

Or

Are your opinions consistent with someone who has been conditioned by our Health Bureaucrats and our unquestioning media apparatus over the last 15 months?

You don't which is my point.

And no it's not hard to phantom why certain cohorts in-bedded in their narrative would hijack the antivax playbook.

It's been written about extensively.

As an example we had anti vax rallies hijacked by certain cohorts in Dublin according to the Commissioner backed up by journalists who were at it.

CalamariFritti

wadacrack wrote: »

I think people are underestimating the problem with the Delta variant once it grows exponentially. The UK 4 weeks from now will be struggling with it. We have to remember that vaccines are very on an individual level but not 100% effective. So if numbers go like they did in India then hospitalisations will still be too high. UK could see maybe 60,000 cases a day , more if they open up fully on 21 June.

I prefer our approach here , the caution might prove beneficial especially in the winter.

Just a reminder. India had virtually no vaccinations when their second surge happened. Also in terms of India: People get a completely wrong picture about India from our media coverage. If you put any of India's numbers in relation to their population they outperform (for want of a better word) any European country by orders of magnitude.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

You don't which is my point.

And no it's not hard to phantom why certain cohorts in-bedded in their narrative would hijack the antivax playbook.

It's been written about extensively.

As an example we had anti vax rallies hijacked by certain cohorts in Dublin according to the Commissioner backed up by journalists who were at it.

This is precisely your problem....you are demented thinking anti vaxxers are everywhere...there are none on this thread...I believe we have the highest take up of vaccines in the EU.

But you somehow feel that by calling someone an anti vaxxers you feel safe and justified and you simultaneously display a kind of weird pious attitude...inexplicable.

It's always the high and mighty who suffer the bigger shock in time....

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

This is precisely your problem....you are demented thinking anti vaxxers are everywhere...there are none on this thread...I believe we have the highest take up of vaccines in the EU.

But you somehow feel that by calling someone an anti vaxxers you feel safe and justified and you simultaneously display a kind of weird pious attitude...inexplicable.

It's always the high and mighty who suffer the bigger shock in time....

Again. I didn't call anyone antivax. False claim.

Neither did I say there was antivaxxers everywhere. Another False claim.

You claimed you can't parrot the antivax playbook and take a vaccine, I pointed out to you in this country the antivax "movement" has been hijacked and led to violence, something that has happened all over the world and has been written about extensively, in real life and all over social media.

Again, none of that is my opinion.

Boggles

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Just a reminder. India had virtually no vaccinations when their second surge happened. Also in terms of India: People get a completely wrong picture about India from our media coverage. If you put any of India's numbers in relation to their population they outperform (for want of a better word) any European country by orders of magnitude.

You'd want to be fair naive to think India's numbers are anyway accurate.

Also I don't remember a bring your own oxygen tank policy and get treated in the car in any European hospital.

Tchaikovsky

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Euro 2020 kicking off tonight.

Be interesting to see if there is much mention of the fact that Dublin was supposed to host the Poland v Slovakia match on Monday evening and as the tournament progresses, 3 more games.

There would have been more pressure put on to keep the games here if we had qualified. Once we were out, there wasn't much appetite to host them.

charlie14

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

There would have been more pressure put on to keep the games here if we had qualified. Once we were out, there wasn't much appetite to host them.

I could never get what the furore was, other than complaining just for the sake of it when we are not even playing in the competition.

Like Bilbao we gave them our conditions, but when these were not acceptable to them we were expected to change our regulations to accomodate an association that has been shown to be not far above carpetbagger level.

normanoffside

charlie14 wrote: »

I could never get what the furore was, other than complaining just for the sake of it when we are not even playing in the competition.

Like Bilbao we gave them our conditions, but when these were not acceptable to them we were expected to change our regulations to accomodate an association that has been shown to be not far above carpetbagger level.

Well I for one had tickets and was looking forward to seeing the matches even if Ireland weren’t playing.

Corby Trouser Press

charlie14 wrote: »

I could never get what the furore was, other than complaining just for the sake of it when we are not even playing in the competition.

Like Bilbao we gave them our conditions, but when these were not acceptable to them we were expected to change our regulations to accomodate an association that has been shown to be not far above carpetbagger level.

So every other local and national government has been bullied into hosting by the UEFA “carpetbaggers” other then good ole Ireland?

The Mayor of Munich brought to his knees by the demands of the UEFA heavies?

Rome has fallen again, this time at the hands of all powerful football bureaucrats?

No, sorry.

It’s as simple as this.

Ireland has been whipped into such a frenzy of fear over the last 15 months that our politicians wouldn’t and didn’t even need to consider meeting our hosting obligations.

No political pressure so why bother?

Totally cowed as they are by the covid fear monster that they’ve helped create.

It’s just not what a supposedly modern, confident, capable country should be aiming for.

No thanks, maybe next time, we are grand here on the island, enjoy the party without us.

It’s a real embarrassment to be the only country not meeting our hosting obligation, regardless of whether we qualified or not.

Stormyteacup

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

So every other local and national government has been bullied into hosting by the UEFA “carpetbaggers” other then good ole Ireland?

The Mayor of Munich brought to his knees by the demands of the UEFA heavies?

Rome has fallen again, this time at the hands of all powerful football bureaucrats?

No, sorry.

It’s as simple as this.

Ireland has been whipped into such a frenzy of fear over the last 15 months that our politicians wouldn’t and didn’t even need to consider meeting our hosting obligations.

No political pressure so why bother?

Totally cowed as they are by the covid fear monster that they’ve helped create.

It’s just not what a supposedly modern, confident, capable country should be aiming for.

No thanks, maybe next time, we are grand here on the island, enjoy the party without us.

It’s a real embarrassment to be the only country not meeting our hosting obligation, regardless of whether we qualified or not.

This is largely it. Some can’t understand what the furore is, the rest of us are looking outwards beyond this small island at what everyone else is doing and rightfully questioning what it is that makes us a such a special case that we can’t attempt to match their progress on relaxation of restrictions.

robbiezero

gozunda wrote: »

Jaysus now that's going overboard headfirst :eek:

Are you always so easily upset about small scale concerts?

I'm fairly sure concerts can be scaled appropriately from that and its been done I guess mainly because restrictions are being rolled back at present. But fuq it I wouldn't be getting upset over it one way or another.

Im not in the least bit upset about it. Its comical.
Its ok to not reply to every post on this thread or are you getting paid by the post.

charlie14

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

So every other local and national government has been bullied into hosting by the UEFA “carpetbaggers” other then good ole Ireland?

The Mayor of Munich brought to his knees by the demands of the UEFA heavies?

Rome has fallen again, this time at the hands of all powerful football bureaucrats?

No, sorry.

It’s as simple as this.

Ireland has been whipped into such a frenzy of fear over the last 15 months that our politicians wouldn’t and didn’t even need to consider meeting our hosting obligations.

No political pressure so why bother?

Totally cowed as they are by the covid fear monster that they’ve helped create.

It’s just not what a supposedly modern, confident, capable country should be aiming for.

No thanks, maybe next time, we are grand here on the island, enjoy the party without us.

It’s a real embarrassment to be the only country not meeting our hosting obligation, regardless of whether we qualified or not.

Italy and Germany are both playing in this competition, so for them it makes some kind of sense. Even if Germany didn`t come across as the sharpest knife in the drawer two months ago when they had to reimpose restrictions after jumping the gun too early
For us it really didn`t make much if any sense hosting games in a competition during a pandemic which we were not even competing in.

I in no way find it embarrassing that we did offer to meet our obligations under the regulation we had in place. Same as Bilbao, did but this was not acceptable to this association, same as it was not for Bilbao.
Far as I`m concerned that was EUFA`s problem not ours.

If the GAA or the IRFU wanted to pack a few thousand extra supporters into Croke Park or the Aviva should we also just forget about the regulations and tell them "Grand folks, whatever ye want is fine by us" ?

Boggles

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

It’s a real embarrassment to be the only country not meeting our hosting obligation, regardless of whether we qualified or not.

No it isn't.

Anyone embarrassed by it should really reality check their emotions.

The vast vast majority of people couldn't give a flying fúck.

For numerous reasons.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The claim was that the drop-off was due to summer, and not due to the vaccine. You can't use the two years to claim what was being claimed when one had zero vaccines and another one had.

The what in the what now?

We know that the cases dropped off last summer after Ireland started to open up ( this isn't just true of Ireland but its a sample case).

By late June everything was open except "wet pubs" and the discussion then was really about when, not if, they would open. Ireland recorded its lowest ten day average for cases in late June.

Then as summer waned numbers increased until a partial lockdown was introduced in late September which stalled the rising numbers. We would be open for Christmas they said. Be grand they said. Science they said. No evidence the virus is seasonal, they said.

And so we opened, with disastrous consequences even though we never even opened the wet pubs and the opening, which only lasted 3 weeks, had the same rules as June.

Of course, I say scientifically, that was last years less virulent strain. No doubt vaccines might well be the main reason now, although numbers are higher now than last year that is probably more rigorous testing.

CruelSummer

I disagree re peak embarrassment at not hosting our Euro 2020 match. Peak embarrassment has just occurred in the form of Bono as a hologram singing after arguably one of the most moving live performances in recent times, Andrea Bocelli singing Nessun Dorma which was just what we needed.

Ireland handing over our Euro 2020 matches was foolish, short sighted and looks terrible internationally. The sh** will hit the fan soon though, look at Facebook today offering international jobs while still basing themselves in Ireland for taxation purposes. We’ve portrayed ourselves as insular, backward types that don’t really care much for our economic prosperity. Absolute stupidity on Ireland’s part while giving no balance to debates, etc. ISAG still inexplicably being given media airtime. We need a functioning economy to fund our health service, it’s not rocket science.

I don’t think this is how Ireland actually is, we’ve been let down by the main parties and especially the Opposition. Ireland has great people, welcoming, helpful, great sense of community. We’re also very hard working people and do what needs to be done. No party I’ve seen over the course of the pandemic has come out of this with their credentials intact.

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

I disagree re peak embarrassment at not hosting our Euro 2020 match. Peak embarrassment has just occurred in the form of Bono as a hologram singing after arguably one of the most moving live performances in recent times, Andrea Bocelli singing Nessun Dorma which was just what we needed.

Ireland handing over our Euro 2020 matches was foolish, short sighted and looks terrible internationally. The sh** will hit the fan soon though, look at Facebook today offering international jobs while still basing themselves in Ireland for taxation purposes. We’ve portrayed ourselves as insular, backward types that don’t really care much for our economic prosperity. Absolute stupidity on Ireland’s part while giving no balance to debates, etc. ISAG still inexplicably being given media airtime. We need a functioning economy to fund our health service, it’s not rocket science.

I don’t think this is how Ireland actually is, we’ve been let down by the main parties and especially the Opposition. Ireland has great people, welcoming, helpful, great sense of community. We’re also very hard working people and do what needs to be done. No party I’ve seen over the course of the pandemic has come out of this with their credentials intact.

No one internationally gives a sh*t about what Ireland have done

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

No it isn't.

Anyone embarrassed by it should really reality check their emotions.

The vast vast majority of people couldn't give a flying fúck.

For numerous reasons.

Vast, vast majority?

What did you base that on?

You are cherry picking again anyway, you want to actually address any of the points I made, dispute them, argue them out, or just have a little rant about not giving a flying fcuk?

Maybe check your own emotions.

Boggles

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Vast, vast majority?

What did you base that on?

No one cares mate.

Show me the outrage or the mass embarrassment you speak of?

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

You are cherry picking again anyway, you want to actually address any of the points I made, dispute them, argue them out, or just have a little rant about not giving a flying fcuk?

Maybe check your own emotions.

You mean like "fear monsters"?

How would I address such hyperbolic nonsense?

Chivito550

Euro 2020 - A one month advertisement for how far ahead of Ireland the rest of Europe are with lifting Covid restrictions.

Chivito550

Chivito550 wrote: »

Euro 2020 - A one month advertisement for how far ahead of Ireland the rest of Europe are with lifting Covid restrictions.

Euro 2020, a football tournament where people watch games for a month without giving a flying f*ck where the game was. Any Irish people who were not in Genoa of Stuttgart learn anything at all about those cities from the fact that we played tournament matches there?

Chivito550

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Euro 2020, a football tournament where people watch games for a month without giving a flying f*ck where the game was. Any Irish people who were not in Genoa of Stuttgart learn anything at all about those cities from the fact that we played tournament matches there?

Jaysus, that's some pointless rant.

Corby Trouser Press

Jeez the #holdfirm brigade are really gettin tetchy about these Euros... a lot of cursing going on

Chivito550

Chivito550 wrote: »

Jaysus, that's some pointless rant.

This thread is the definition of pointless rants, one of which is the belief that there is widespread attention on the location of tournament matches.

Chivito550

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This thread is the definition of pointless rants, one of which is the belief that there is widespread attention on the location of tournament matches.

Your rant has nothing to do with Covid restrictions.

My original point does.

CruelSummer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No one internationally gives a sh*t about what Ireland have done

Seriously? Are you forgetting what pays your wages?
It’s PAYE from various multinational corporations in medical devices and IT industries mostly. They care very much about what Ireland have done. Money doesn’t grow on trees.
Ireland’s international reputation has taken a battering. The Government have stood by and watched this happen, hiding behind NPHET in the process. They failed to take other factors into account and govern.
The Opposition went full on in support of Communist, authoritarian rule. This as a Western Democracy is an outlier - bar NZ and Australia who now have no exit strategy if they can’t get their population to mass vaccinate.

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

Seriously? Are you forgetting what pays your wages?
It’s PAYE from various multinational corporations in medical devices and IT industries mostly. They care very much about what Ireland have done. Money doesn’t grow on trees.
Ireland’s international reputation has taken a battering. The Government have stood by and watched this happen, hiding behind NPHET in the process. They failed to take other factors into account and govern.
The Opposition went full on in support of Communist, authoritarian rule. This as a Western Democracy is an outlier - bar NZ and Australia who now have no exit strategy if they can’t get their population to mass vaccinate.

Ye really are away with the fairies. Multinational have stricter corporate restrictions on their sites than we have in the country.

All this international reputations damage that has been done to Ireland in posters imaginations and the grifters some follow

CruelSummer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ye really are away with the fairies. Multinational have stricter corporate restrictions on their sites than we have in the country

Ok raind. We really a progressive democracy through all of this that didn’t impose a 2/ 5km limit on the population of Ireland for most of the last 12 months while filling our media airwaves with ISAG crazies&sympathetic presenters to boot . That didn’t force countless businesses to stay closed indefinitely - and now the public are shocked to discover some are not reopening.
We didn’t pick on sections of society like young people, or those out and about through this & vilify them on social media - including elected councillors who should have been doing their job making places safe & accessible.

No Ireland has altogether been progressive & forward thinking. I suppose that’s why so many people are currently emigrating, jobs like those in construction cannot be filled & even EU citizens are fleeing. As I said earlier, unless Ireland does a drastic u-turn in its approach - even Dr Holohan’s salary will be under threat with the mass exodus that’s taking place.

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

Ok raind. We really a progressive democracy through all of this that didn’t impose a 2/ 5km limit on the population of Ireland for most of the last 12 months while filling our media airwaves with ISAG crazies&sympathetic presenters to boot . That didn’t force countless businesses to stay closed indefinitely - and now the public are shocked to discover some are not reopening.
We didn’t pick on sections of society like young people, or those out and about through this & vilify them on social media - including elected councillors who should have been doing their job making places safe & accessible.

No Ireland has altogether been progressive & forward thinking. I suppose that’s why so many people are currently emigrating, jobs like those in construction cannot be filled & even EU citizens are fleeing. As I said earlier, unless Ireland does a drastic u-turn in its approach - even Dr Holohan’s salary will be under threat with the mass exodus that’s taking place.

Don’t blame it on the sunshine
Don’t blame it on moonlight
Don’t blame on the good times
Blame it on the Tony

While ye all froth at your bogeyman, the real world is getting on with things and getting moving again. There is no mass exodus. There are lots of people getting back to work, tax take is robust and the multinational sector is looking at us as the country that kept supply chains of vital medical products moving throughout the pandemic

Beechwoodspark

Personally my gut feeling is hosting the euro matches was “not worth” the risk and especially with ireland not qualifying.

CruelSummer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Don’t blame it on the sunshine
Don’t blame it on moonlight
Don’t blame on the good times
Blame it on the Tony

While ye all froth at your bogeyman, the real world is getting on with things and getting moving again. There is no mass exodus. There are lots of people getting back to work, tax take is robust and the multinational sector is looking at us as the country that kept supply chains of vital medical products moving throughout the pandemic

I like that song so well played :-)