Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

pjohnson wrote: »

It was James Vincent McMorrow.

I have never heard of him, but watching him being interviewed I half expect Father Peter McVerry to throw a blanket it over him and lead off to a soup kitchen.

prunudo

paddyisreal wrote: »

See Tony and co got alcohol banned from it as well... Looked like great craic :rolleyes:

Copius amounts of ice cream and sugary drinks be grand though.

wadacrack

I think people are underestimating the problem with the Delta variant once it grows exponentially. The UK 4 weeks from now will be struggling with it. We have to remember that vaccines are very on an individual level but not 100% effective. So if numbers go like they did in India then hospitalisations will still be too high. UK could see maybe 60,000 cases a day , more if they open up fully on 21 June.

I prefer our approach here , the caution might prove beneficial especially in the winter.

Himnydownunder

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I always love this attitude - if you don't like it, fook off :rolleyes:

Which by the way, is exactly what many of our best have done over the generations.

I suppose the idea of simply wanting and indeed demanding better for the country we were born and live in isn't an option, no?

It's no wonder we are still so parochial and socially backwards in many ways (headline grabbers like SSM aside). Too many Irish people are quite content with the status quo as long as they're alright, and they really don't like change or anything that challenges their comfortable little bubbles.

It explains everything from the inability to tackle the housing crisis (the decision makers and their supporters own their own homes and are landlords), public health care and waiting lists (not an issue if you can afford expensive private cover), the socio-economic divide (not something you worry about when you're wealthy to start with and connected), and many other fundamental problems in this country. There's a reason why me-fenism is a term in this country.

We are incredibly immature and selfish as a society, and it's wholly reflected in national policy and services and the politicians we elect.

Excellent post.

Himnydownunder

wadacrack wrote: »

I think people are underestimating the problem with the Delta variant once it grows exponentially. The UK 4 weeks from now will be struggling with it. We have to remember that vaccines are very on an individual level but not 100% effective. So if numbers go like they did in India then hospitalisations will still be too high. UK could see maybe 60,000 cases a day , more if they open up fully on 21 June.

I prefer our approach here , the caution might prove beneficial especially in the winter.

More lockdowns on the way definitely. Delta won’t be front page news until the summer is over and the hotels, bars and restaurants have gotten their “few bob.”

Boggles

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

We are incredibly immature and selfish as a society, and it's wholly reflected in national policy and services and the politicians we elect.

Who did you vote for in the last election or previous election and what level of engagement did you engage in post elections with the politicians you voted for?

PhoneMain

the kelt wrote: »

But you just confirmed my exact point, hospital at critical capacity but nothing to do with COVID cos people aren’t getting sick and hospitalised!

It’s only a few months into the vaccination programme, of course only a few months ago we had increasing cases leading to more people in hospitals because we didn’t have people vaccinated!!!

We don’t have a huge percentage yet with 2 doses yet people are not being hospitalised, the more people are the less people will be in hospitals so why’s should anything be reviewed on the bases of cases only if hospitals are not being overrun which I thought was the idea behind restrictions in the first place or have the goalposts changed?

Are you suggesting we should retain or reimpose restrictions if hospitals start to reach capacity even if the cause of that isn’t COVID?

No you're trying to put things in my mouth there. This is a classic misguided view here, at this point in time things are ok therefore you're extrapolating that things are going to stay like this in the long term. And I'm not advocating for anything, I want to get back to normal as quick as possible, the point I'm trying to make is that there are many variables to take account of, one of which being new variants coming on board and with a proportion of the population not having their second dose. If there was a variant surge and an increase in hospitalisations due to Covid, there's already a level of people in hospitals that would suffer if Covid starts to increase again.

And by the way, I'm all for reopening. I've seen the levels of anxiety particularly in younger people that the last year has caused. I also know that we will get to a point soon where we wont be able to afford to pay for a health service if the economy is tanking. But a degree of caution is warranted. There's some in here who are advocating for the widespread opening of society which could be very bad. I was wondering the last day if we were overegging Covid, then I met a man who was in his late 30s and apart from being a stone or 2 overweight was healthy. He spent 9 days in hospital in February due to Covid. And he was one of the ones that didnt need ICU!

paddyisreal

paddyisreal wrote: »

See Tony and co got alcohol banned from it as well... Looked like great craic :rolleyes:

The big bad bogeyman stole my beer

PhoneMain

wadacrack wrote: »

I think people are underestimating the problem with the Delta variant once it grows exponentially. The UK 4 weeks from now will be struggling with it. We have to remember that vaccines are very on an individual level but not 100% effective. So if numbers go like they did in India then hospitalisations will still be too high. UK could see maybe 60,000 cases a day , more if they open up fully on 21 June.

I prefer our approach here , the caution might prove beneficial especially in the winter.

And things are still pretty sh1t in India

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/10/india-covid-crisis-more-than-6000-deaths-recorded-in-24-hours.html

Dempo1

prunudo wrote: »

I'd say the people behind the organisation of this event are fond of clip boards. Probably so afraid of being sued by a participant who contracts covid that they've ensured the most sterile, risk free event possible.

Looked more like a sheep Trials event could well have featured on country-wide

SNNUS

the kelt wrote: »

Why are people still obsessing about cases?

Who cares how many cases we have once people aren’t getting sick and hospitals aren’t being over run?

We have seen cases remain around the average 400 for months now yet hospitalisations continue to drop significantly precisely because of the vaccines yet people still obsessing about cases.

It’s like people don’t want to let go!

People still love the daily cases number even though it's not as applicable as before. It's like telly bingo or something.

PhoneMain

SNNUS wrote: »

People still love the daily cases number even though it's not as applicable as before. It's like telly bingo or something.

Telly bingo is a great show.

namloc1980

That test event last night is a bit dystopian. Pure theatre and nothing else.

ArthurDayne

gozunda wrote: »

Imho that's a reflection of your personal pov rather than anything else. But yes lived and worked in a number of places outside Ireland - but leaving aside the personal element of who I am or any important job - no I do not feel any "embarrassment" whatsoever.

But yes it's the same old drumbeat non stop. Despite footage above of a similar event trialed in the North and the fact we're quite a bit behind the UK in terms of first dose vaccinations - there's a near constant thick paddy refrain where Ireland is painted absolutely the worstest, "incompetent and backwards" etc etc. Don't be surprised if people are getting fed up with that.

You'd swear those constantly denigrating of the country - despite the evident success we've had in keeping case numbers and deaths low and a successful rollout of the biggest vaccination programme in the history of the state - were forced to live only "in Ireland"

It's interesting to hear the Thick Paddy narrative being used by those who championed the idea that Paddy was too thick to be allowed to go more than 5km for a walk on the beach for months.

OwenM

wadacrack wrote: »

I think people are underestimating the problem with the Delta variant once it grows exponentially. The UK 4 weeks from now will be struggling with it. We have to remember that vaccines are very on an individual level but not 100% effective. So if numbers go like they did in India then hospitalisations will still be too high. UK could see maybe 60,000 cases a day , more if they open up fully on 21 June.

I prefer our approach here , the caution might prove beneficial especially in the winter.

The delta variant is already responsible for 75% of cases in the UK. Cases are up, admissions to hospital are not.

62% of the population have one dose and 42% have two doses, they are doing half a million doses a day.

Tell me, what did you worry about before covid happened?






https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/28/covid-uk-coronavirus-cases-deaths-and-vaccinations-today

Lumen

OwenM wrote: »

The delta variant is already responsible for 75% of cases in the UK. Cases are up, admissions to hospital are not.

Not true. The graph you've posted shows people in hospital, not hospital admissions.

Below is a graph of hospital admissions.



You might argue that me zooming in to the last two months ignores the scale of previous waves.

To which I would respond...

normanoffside

paddyisreal wrote: »

See Tony and co got alcohol banned from it as well... Looked like great craic :rolleyes:

Tony was concerned they’d all turn into wild animals and start talking to people outside their pods if they had a pint.

Boggles

normanoffside wrote: »

Tony was concerned they’d all turn into wild animals and start talking to people outside their pods if they had a pint.

This may come as a thunder bolt shock to the cohort insisting on blaming reality on a bogeyman.

But Tony had fúck all to do with that concert last night.

Mind Blown.

Silentcorner

AdamD wrote: »

The biggest issue with events like that is they test absolutely nothing. We know that's going to be safe, Its purely for show. The Irish Government will let other countries test events that are actually worthwhile whilst putting on shows like that to make it look like they're doing something.

Like 3000 in Croke Park, what the **** is that testing? Of course 3000 in an 82000 seater stadium is ****ing safe, less packed than your local supervalu.

It'll be September before all the testing is done....right before our flu season.

Throw in a concerning variant....lob in a few buzz words like "highly transmittable"...a few technical terms, like R 2.75 or Variant Beta 2.00.17 to feed the fear....

I don't think this is anything other than the consequences of handing way too much power to Health Bureaucrats, in particular an individual like Tony Houlihan who despite the fawning media has shown us that the power has got the better of him, that was clear nearly a year ago.

This time however, I hope the damage to ordinary businesses and ordinary jobs can not be continued to ignore, we have forced a huge percentage of people into what can nearly be described as long time unemployed....will ensure we don't go back into a severe lock down.

Not to mention the damage to the important social years of the young and elderly...it's a demented health policy that is going to cause a lot of premature death in this country in the coming years!!!

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

It'll be September before all the testing is done....right before our flu season.

Throw in a concerning variant....lob in a few buzz words like "highly transmittable"...a few technical terms, like R 2.75 or Variant Beta 2.00.17 to feed the fear....

I don't think this is anything other than the consequences of handing way too much power to Health Bureaucrats, in particular an individual like Tony Houlihan who despite the fawning media has shown us that the power has got the better of him, that was clear nearly a year ago.

This time however, I hope the damage to ordinary businesses and ordinary jobs can not be continued to ignore, we have forced a huge percentage of people into what can nearly be described as long time unemployed....will ensure we don't go back into a severe lock down.

Not to mention the damage to the important social years of the young and elderly...it's a demented health policy that is going to cause a lot of premature death in this country in the coming years!!!

I do love these musings, where strangers on the internet would have been able to grow the economy and manage the pandemic whilst at the same time offering absolutely no opinion based on reality on how that could be achieved.

Big Bad Bogey Man Syndrome.

PhoneMain

Silentcorner wrote: »

I don't think this is anything other than the consequences of handing way too much power to Health Bureaucrats, in particular an individual like Tony Houlihan who despite the fawning media has shown us that the power has got the better of him, that was clear nearly a year ago.

FFS, ridiculous hyperbole.

OwenM

Lumen wrote: »

Not true. The graph you've posted shows people in hospital, not hospital admissions.

Below is a graph of hospital admissions.



You might argue that me zooming in to the last two months ignores the scale of previous waves.

To which I would respond...

Lets put the whole series up, just for transparency:


Your graph which shows, over the last month, an increase of approx 30 admissions a day to a total of about 110 a day. At the peak they were admitting 3700 a day. And you think this is something to be worried about ?

Silentcorner

PhoneMain wrote: »

FFS, ridiculous hyperbole.

Says the man who calls anyone who treats their patients with therapeutics witch doctors.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

I do love these musings, where strangers on the internet would have been able to grow the economy and manage the pandemic whilst at the same time offering absolutely no opinion based on reality on how that could be achieved.

Big Bad Bogey Man Syndrome.

Well, then do correct me, show me a country that has put more people out of work than we did?

PhoneMain

Silentcorner wrote: »

Says the man who calls anyone who treats their patients with therapeutics witch doctors.

Ha, yeah unlicenced, unproven therapeutics. No evidence behind them only their own limited experience. Unless you can show me a peer reviewed, randomised control trial or metaanalysis.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well, then do correct me, show me a country that has put more people out of work than we did?

I don't have to show you anything.

You are making the claims that you could have manged the pandemic, society, economy and health far better than we have.

So far you have offered to follow the Anti Vax playbook, which I think any functioning adult would dismiss as pure nonsense, blame everything on the bogeyman.

Now in your good time if you want to cost out how you would have managed it, by all means tap away, please base it on something that looks like reality.

Dempo1

Lumen wrote: »

Not true. The graph you've posted shows people in hospital, not hospital admissions.

Below is a graph of hospital admissions.



You might argue that me zooming in to the last two months ignores the scale of previous waves.

To which I would respond...

Looks like Donald Trump got to that graph with his Sharpie pen

hynesie08

Boggles wrote: »

This may come as a thunder bolt shock to the cohort insisting on blaming reality on a bogeyman.

But Tony had fúck all to do with that concert last night.

Mind Blown.

It's apparently completely impossible that the likes of c&c/diageo/Heineken did a cost analysis of setting up and staffing a bar at an event like this and decided it wasn't worth it, much easier to believe Tony did it.

brickster69

It's taking off

https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/11/indian-covid-variant-uk-cases-of-delta-strain-jump-to-over-42000-14753657/?ito=push-notification&ci=231553&si=22786189&ai=14753657

Dempo1

brickster69 wrote: »

It's taking off

https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/11/indian-covid-variant-uk-cases-of-delta-strain-jump-to-over-42000-14753657/?ito=push-notification&ci=231553&si=22786189&ai=14753657

I'm guessing some will blame Tony Holohan