Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

No, our hospitals get all the resources they want...it just doesn't get invested into patient care enough...the place out there is a particular basket case.

There is a chance to use an alternative to lock down which is being threatened, it's the right time of year, the right sized town, with a fairly identifiable community....surely you can see the logic in rolling out a quick response team during our summer season as a trial for later in the year when we will see rises in cases.

You mean enhanced tracing, surveillance and pop up testing, like is being done right now?

With respected figures like the CMO visiting, briefing officials and asking the public for vigilance?

NIAC Fanboy

gozunda wrote: »

So you disagree with elected government officials having a meeting about the current public health situation in Limerick along with a designated public health official who has been appointed to review public health issues?


And all because you dislike " Tony"?

Tony only doing it for the glory for himself.

It's all about him.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

You mean enhanced tracing, surveillance and pop up testing, like is being done right now?

With respected figures like the CMO visiting, briefing officials and asking the public for vigilance?

Or lock down.

We all know that we only have one gear, threaten the public with draconian lock downs, then impose draconian lock downs.

It is a thick skulled policy that has us in endless cycles of lock down...sooner or later we are going to have start copying other countries because no one is copying us!!!

PTH2009

The country simply can't afford another full lockdown but the possibility is still there none the less

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Or lock down.

We all know that we only have one gear, threaten the public with draconian lock downs, then impose draconian lock downs.

It is a thick skulled policy that has us in endless cycles of lock down...sooner or later we are going to have start copying other countries because no one is copying us!!!

Hang on, you are screaming for a quick response team, I point out that's what is actually happening, with the CMO involved, Minister for Health and various other officials and you are banging on about lockdown?

So when you said "quick response team" - what does that actually mean and what do they do that is different to what is been done right now?

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

Hang on, you are screaming for a quick response team, I point out that's what is actually happening, with the CMO involved, Minister for Health and various other officials and you are banging on about lockdown?

So when you said "quick response team" - what does that actually mean and what do they do that is different to what is been done right now?

I've already said what I mean...you've already read it...you commented on it...you quoted it....I'm not going round and round and round again with you Boggles, it's always the same...you're going drinking, have a good one, time to let someone else listen to you for a while.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

I've already said what I mean

Well you haven't.

What you were calling for is actually happening.

When that was pointed out to you, you claim "Lockdown", something, something.

You think Tony should be down in Limerick handing out those miracle worm tablets don't you?

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

Well you haven't.

What you were calling for is actually happening.

When that was pointed out to you, you claim "Lockdown", something, something.

You think Tony should be down in Limerick handing out those miracle worm tablets don't you?

I think Tony's job is to figure out how to control spread without destroying the economy....I know, crazy right?

Dempo1

Not at all sure what a meeting between CMO, Health minister and local representative from Limerick will actually achieve. Government have pretty much opened up and besides, local public health officials have said the surge is not only socialising, its work places, indeed 50 cases linked to one Hair Salon. The meeting nothing more than a pointless and meaningless PR exercise

VinLieger

Silentcorner wrote: »

I think Tony's job is to figure out how to control spread without destroying the economy....I know, crazy right?

I hate to agree with Boggles I really do, but that's not Tony's job at all, that's the governments job based off Tony and other advisors advice.

The CMO and NPHETs sole remit is public health advice which the Government then act on

Conversely for this reason Tony should also not be posting on Twitter like he did last week in his capacity as CMO and head of NPHET.

Silentcorner

VinLieger wrote: »

I hate to agree with Boggles I really do, but that's not Tony's job at all, that's the governments job based off Tony and other advisors advice.

The CMO and NPHETs sole remit is public health advice.

Well, then it's his job to recommend a public health policy that doesn't involve lock downs to our Government.

We are 15 months into this, he only has one solution.

Not a single country on this planet is copying us....some one is failing in their duties and I'll blame the man who acts like he is in charge....that isn't Micheal Martin who gladly hides behind Tony's trousers.

VinLieger

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well, then it's his job to recommend a public health policy that doesn't involve lock downs to our Government.

We are 15 months into this, he only has one solution.

Not a single country on this planet is copying us....some one is failing in their duties and I'll blame the man who acts like he is in charge....that isn't Micheal Martin who gladly hides behind Tony's trousers.

I'd agree there, his refusal to consider antigen testing and other very successful strategies adopted in other countries has been a disgrace, his dogmatic single minded lock down approach is the reason we are seeing such a public backlash right now.

Whatsisname

Deleted User wrote: »

Tens of thousands have still died there since using these treatments. Similar treatments are also in use here. And by and large work to make things easier on the patient while the immune system does the work. The immune system being by far and way the most effective therapeutic treatment with the bodies own response and preventative measure through vaccination

Yes. But they're still in use as therapeutics which Boggles claims don't exist. They could have very well saved tens of thousands too, who knows. But they wouldn't be used if they didn't work.

gozunda

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Tony only doing it for the glory for himself.

It's all about him.

I believe the standard reply is something something koolaid ...

Penfailed

namloc1980 wrote: »

Have an outdoor summer they said.

There'll be punishment lockdowns and extension of restrictions now to teach us all a lesson.

There won't.

TomSweeney

I see the media getting really excited about the case rise in England




https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57362508

I wonder with the rate of vaccination in the UK will this cause any real issue for hospitals ? of course not, still won't stop them scaremongering
with "case numbers" and to use this as an excuse to continue with restrictions.

And Ireland of course like a lapdog will just follow the UK so I expect similar measures to take place in Ireland over the next few weeks.


Farce.



Never ending FARCE

Silentcorner

It's starting to heat up over in the UK.

You can expect to see more bigger and more frequent protests in the coming weeks....not enough Brits are afraid of the "variants" nor should they be.

Things are starting to get interesting in the US as well.

I'm predicting a very interesting summer!!!

Bit cynical

rob316 wrote: »

Honestly why are we tolerating this ****e? When Glynn himself can't put forward a credible argument for stopping outdoor gatherings? Cases are in under 45's who won't end up in hospital. Why do we give a **** so?

Dr Glynn urged people right around the country to stick to the guidelines while meeting up over the long weekend.

“We still have about 3,000 cases a week in this country,” he said.

“Now, compared to a number of months ago, the vast majority of those cases are in younger people – people under 45-years-of-age.

“Those people are less likely to end up getting severe disease, less likely to end up in hospital or critical care or to die – but we can’t be sure for any one person what their outcome is going to be.”

It is a real shame that the press in this country don't challenge Glynn and others on the rubbish they put out.

mightyreds

Silentcorner wrote: »

It's starting to heat up over in the UK.

You can expect to see more bigger and more frequent protests in the coming weeks....not enough Brits are afraid of the "variants" nor should they be.

Things are starting to get interesting in the US as well.

I'm predicting a very interesting summer!!!

They are now thinking of pushing back the reopening

gozunda

TomSweeney wrote: »

I see the media getting really excited about the case rise in England

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51224429187_5ced696c96_z.jpg

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57362508

I wonder with the rate of vaccination in the UK will this cause any real issue for hospitals ? of course not, still won't stop them scaremongering
with "case numbers" and to use this as an excuse to continue with restrictions.

And Ireland of course like a lapdog will just follow the UK so I expect similar measures to take place in Ireland over the next few weeks.

Farce.
Never ending FARCE

Tf? "Excited"?

The media article (the BBC) you reference details a rise in the number of the delta variant in the UK.

You "wonder with the rate of vaccination in the UK will this cause any real issue for hospitals ? of course not, still won't stop them scaremongering with "case numbers" and to use this as an excuse to continue with restrictions"

Ever though the article clearly states that

"Paul Hunter, a professor of medicine at the University of East Anglia, said: "With the information available it is too early to say for certain whether the Delta variant does indeed cause more severe disease needing hospitalisation or not.

"What we can be confident about with available data is that if you have had one or preferably two doses of vaccine you are rather less likely to catch either Alpha or Delta variants, and even if you do become infected you are less likely to need hospital admission"

So putting a spin on the above BBC article and adding two plus two you get 11 and three quarters even though the article does not mention the word 'lockdown' at all?

TomSweeney

gozunda wrote: »

Tf? "Excited"?

The media article (the BBC) you reference details a rise in the number of the delta variant in the UK.

You "wonder with the rate of vaccination in the UK will this cause any real issue for hospitals ? of course not, still won't stop them scaremongering with "case numbers" and to use this as an excuse to continue with restrictions"

Ever though the article clearly states that



So putting a spin on the above BBC article and adding two plus two you get 11 and three quarters even though the article does not mention the word 'lockdown' at all?

If you think these case numbers won't delay the UK reopening or indeed add new restrictions, I have some beans to sell you

Fils

Luckily the Uk hasn’t a English version of Tony.

PTH2009

TomSweeney wrote: »

If you think these case numbers won't delay the UK reopening or indeed add new restrictions, I have some beans to sell you

We will probably delay our reopening cause of this

Goldengirl

PTH2009 wrote: »

We will probably delay our reopening cause of this

No we won't .

Graham

PTH2009 wrote: »

We will probably delay our reopening cause of this

because of variants/case-numbers in the UK?

I doubt it.

stephenjmcd

PTH2009 wrote: »

We will probably delay our reopening cause of this

Bit of logical thinking here please

Deeper Blue

mightyreds wrote: »

They are now thinking of pushing back the reopening

They literally said yesterday that they see nothing in the data to suggest it needs to be pushed back

ClosedAccountFuzzy

The one thing I don’t understand from the point of view of psychology and human behaviour is why they didn’t do the reopening today.

They’ve created a holiday vibe and there’s a bank holiday weekend, yet there’s nothing open for people to sit down at.

It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense and I think they would have avoided what could be a messy weekend in some places, as you’ll inevitably get a huge crowd turning up.

NIAC Fanboy

gozunda wrote: »

Tf? "Excited"?

The media article (the BBC) you reference details a rise in the number of the delta variant in the UK.

You "wonder with the rate of vaccination in the UK will this cause any real issue for hospitals ? of course not, still won't stop them scaremongering with "case numbers" and to use this as an excuse to continue with restrictions"

Ever though the article clearly states that



So putting a spin on the above BBC article and adding two plus two you get 11 and three quarters even though the article does not mention the word 'lockdown' at all?

Down to 70 in hospital and this is where you at at. ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

ISOP

mightyreds wrote: »

They are now thinking of pushing back the reopening

No they are not