Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

hynesie08

namloc1980 wrote: »

The Garda beating someone walking away with a baton at the end of the second video. But let me guess, you can't see that? Maybe you should go to specsavers?

Just rewatched it, any context? Or are we just blindly assuming the gardai are doing it for no reason?

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

Can't say I can see it I'm afraid but will take your word for it. I do wonder all the same what the Socialist Party were doing there.

It’s there. Is far from a beating however. More like a baton to the back of the knees while trying to detain the individual. Whether there was a public order offence that warranted the individual being targeted for arrest can not be concluded one way or the other from the video.

VinLieger

Dempo1 wrote: »

It's all Tony's fault, is that seriously an argument, he was doing his Job and the mayhem continued yesterday. This kind of thing has not been happening for weeks, it started last weekend with further restrictions lifted.

Yes the mayhem continued yesterday like it does every year when the sun shines on a bank holiday, of course this year is going to be worse because people have had nothing to do for a year and nowhere else to go. They should have opened outdoor dining after last weekend.

I didn't say it was Tony's fault I am. Pointing out the only reason it's being talked about is he tweeted about it because again it's being going on for weeks with very little being said bar a few articles noting it but there was zero outrage or finger wagging till he put his foot into it.

Dempo1 wrote: »

Re Limerick, no, its not just indoor outbreaks, its also Retail, work places and most notably 50 cases traced back to a Salon.

Ahh yes I forgot retail, work places and salons arent indoors.....

xhomelezz

namloc1980 wrote: »

The Garda beating someone walking away with a baton at the end of the second video. But let me guess, you can't see that? Maybe you should go to specsavers?

Can't see it at all, maybe just because of so much rubbish on the street..

namloc1980

hynesie08 wrote: »

Just rewatched it, any context? Or are we just blindly assuming the gardai are doing it for no reason?

Hitting someone who is walking AWAY doesn't need context. If the guy did something wrong arrest him, not hit him multiple times with a baton as he moves away. Excessive policing is never good.

namloc1980

xhomelezz wrote: »

Can't see it at all, maybe just because of so much rubbish on the street..

Sure you can't. :pac:

prunudo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A hotel dining room with residents only is fully traceable. It’s not safety, it’s the ability to easily follow up on any required contact tracing.

I understand that, but its 5 days and also the risk of spread outdoors is minimal. Either we are following the science or were are not. I feel sorry for the cafe owners who are loosing a fortune due to being lumped in with places that serve alcohol.

Boggles

hynesie08 wrote: »

Oh no, they're gently walking towards them.

Shades of Tiananmen.

The guy in the 2nd video almost spilt some of his pint.

xhomelezz

hynesie08 wrote: »

Just rewatched it, any context? Or are we just blindly assuming the gardai are doing it for no reason?

Sure gardai are out beating innocent people for fun..

That will be outcome on this thread.

NIAC Fanboy

Dempo1 wrote: »

Younger people can still get seriously ill

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They can but its highly unlikely it will be from covid

pjohnson

Reminded me of tianamen square aswell.


Such violence from Gardai is disgraceful.

Justifies the missiles launched at Gardai now I guess.

namloc1980

Boggles wrote: »

Shades of Tiananmen.

The guy in the 2nd video almost spilt some of his pint.

Yeah excessive policing and baton wielding Gardaí beating people is hilarious isn't it. Comical stuff altogether. Looks like the closet authoritarians are thrilled though.

xhomelezz

namloc1980 wrote: »

Yeah excessive policing and baton wielding Gardaí beating people is hilarious isn't it. Comical stuff altogether. Looks like the closet authoritarians are thrilled though.

It's not about excessive policing, it's as simple as some clown needs a little tap to understand.

NIAC Fanboy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A hotel dining room with residents only is fully traceable. It’s not safety, it’s the ability to easily follow up on any required contact tracing.

No need for tracing at all outdoors at a pub with everybody seated.

Certainly much safer than the current situation of large crowds standing outside and no controls at all.

Tony is incompetent.

hynesie08

xhomelezz wrote: »

Sure gardai are out beating innocent people for fun..

That will be outcome on this thread.

It was Tony holohan in a garda uniform.

pjohnson

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

No need for tracing at all outdoors at a pub with everybody seated.

Certainly much safer than the current situation of large crowds standing outside and no controls at all.

Tony is incompetent.

Well if the Gardai come within 10 feet of louts its "excessive policing"

Get Real

namloc1980 wrote: »

The Garda beating someone walking away with a baton at the end of the second video. But let me guess, you can't see that? Maybe you should go to specsavers?

At the end of the second video is a crucial point you make. What happened at the start of the second video? Did he throw a dig and run? Then freeze up when hit as he ran away? Was he arrested?

All I really see in the video is a bunch of young people, who wouldn't get served in the pubs normally. Every day in town now, gangs of lads on electric scooters, tanks of nitrous oxide, inhaling balloons, knocking back drink, and acting like it's paddy's day.

This isn't a covid issue, it's a public order issue. I was able to pint away all afternoon in the Green, as was everyone else, no guards bothered anyone. Then a girl got bottled and it was time to close the park.

Unfortunately, I had to go, because of the out of control amount of scum that had congregated. And they were as entitled to congregate there as I was, as they should be, but then they got rowdy and dangerous.

People want guards to intervene, they intervened. But then when they did intervene,there was moaning. I didn't really get it myself. People have to understand its one or the other. I understood I had had a good day, and in all reality, it was time to go anyway.

xhomelezz

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

No need for tracing at all outdoors at a pub with everybody seated.

Certainly much safer than the current situation of large crowds standing outside and no controls at all.

Tony is incompetent.

Such a shame you didn't get his job, all would be sorted by now.

Boggles

namloc1980 wrote: »

Yeah excessive policing and baton wielding Gardaí beating people is hilarious isn't it. Comical stuff altogether. Looks like the closet authoritarians are thrilled though.

So in your mind that lad was minding his own business out catching Pokemon and was battered?

Get Real

pjohnson wrote: »

Reminded me of tianamen square aswell.


Such violence from Gardai is disgraceful.

Justifies the missiles launched at Gardai now I guess.

If your idea of police violence is being allowed to drink, having gardai walking by saying hello, for the majority of the day, and having pleasant interactions with people..

Then around 7 or 8pm the same guards come back to move people on. Tell me, what has changed, the guards, or the crowd dynamic?

People become too used to Garda discretion. Then when asked to move on, or use their brain and see its time to go, don't. All I saw were guards walking in a line, at 1km an hour. One lad hit, for reasons we don't know.

Probably the calmest, most lenient way I've seen police clear an area in all of Europe. There's a difference between police enforcing the law, and you not agreeing with it, and police violence.

NIAC Fanboy

Boggles wrote: »

So in your mind that lad was minding his own business out catching Pokemon and was battered?

How many will die of covid after last night?

ZERO or NONE?

NIAC Fanboy

xhomelezz wrote: »

Such a shame you didn't get his job, all would be sorted by now.

Well I'd have opened hospitality sooner for sure, rather than tweeting my shock at what was obviously going to happen.

Do you think hospitality could have opened sooner?

Boggles

Lumen wrote: »

That's not a baton charge. This is a baton charge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1xxxpknkqs

What in the name of Jaysus did the lad at 23 seconds think he was going to achieve?

namloc1980

Boggles wrote: »

So in your mind that lad was minding his own business out catching Pokemon and was battered?

What a stupid strawman. Nobody said any of that. Seems to be a horrible trend on boards of people making up stupid analogies to "prove" their point. It more so indicates an inability to debate and the lack of a coherent point.

xhomelezz

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Well I'd have opened hospitality sooner for sure, rather than tweeting my shock at what was obviously going to happen.

Do you think hospitality could have opened sooner?

It would happen anyway, doesn't matter what. People can travel, people can meet outside, why the heck some chose to meet and pack on one or two streets? I'm probably missing something there. Rather have a BBQ with few friends and few beers, not having to piss on every corner and leave tons of rubbish around. But anyway it's just me thinking.

xhomelezz

Boggles wrote: »

What in the name of Jaysus did the lad at 23 seconds think he was going to achieve?

Kung Fu Panda for sure.

NIAC Fanboy

Boggles wrote: »

What in the name of Jaysus did the lad at 23 seconds think he was going to achieve?

I'd say he thought he saw Tony driving down behind the cops.

Coillte_Bhoy

Get Real wrote: »

If your idea of police violence is being allowed to drink, having gardai walking by saying hello, for the majority of the day, and having pleasant interactions with people..

Then around 7 or 8pm the same guards come back to move people on. Tell me, what has changed, the guards, or the crowd dynamic?

People become too used to Garda discretion. Then when asked to move on, or use their brain and see its time to go, don't. All I saw were guards walking in a line, at 1km an hour. One lad hit, for reasons we don't know.

Probably the calmest, most lenient way I've seen police clear an area in all of Europe. There's a difference between police enforcing the law, and you not agreeing with it, and police violence.

Good post, first thing i saw when went online this morning was talk of baton charges etc so came on here to see what happened. From what i see one Guard seems to have been ott slapping someone on the backs of the legs, the only other video ive seen is the Gardaí clearing a street without resorting to heavy handed tactics yet here and on twitter etc Murphy and the usual crew are screaming about police brutality. I dont get it

Boggles

namloc1980 wrote: »

What a stupid strawman. Nobody said any of that. Seems to be a horrible trend on boards of people making up stupid analogies to "prove" their point. It more so indicates an inability to debate and the lack of a coherent point.

namloc1980 wrote: »

Just punishment beatings instead.

LOLZ.

Dempo1

VinLieger wrote: »

Yes the mayhem continued yesterday like it does every year when the sun shines on a bank holiday, of course this year is going to be worse because people have had nothing to do for a year and nowhere else to go. They should have opened outdoor dining after last weekend.

I didn't say it was Tony's fault I am. Pointing out the only reason it's being talked about is he tweeted about it because again it's being going on for weeks with very little being said bar a few articles noting it but there was zero outrage or finger wagging till he put his foot into it.



Ahh yes I forgot retail, work places and salons arent indoors.....

So this mayhem is the norm, seriously? What have I missed?

Indoors an interesting narrative, the narrative seemingly wants to only blame house parties, gatherings in houses etc, thats my point but few want to hear about work place, school, crèche outbreaks and yes indoors also