Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

ceadaoin.

Silentcorner wrote: »

The media need to stop all this fear mongering over variants, they are here to stay, there will be one come Winter.

You can see in some posters how the hysteria about variants has gotten the better of them!!

There were a myriad of variants last summer, did no harm.

There are several thousand documented variants at this stage. Everybody panic!

The British official in charge of the U.K.'s vaccination program has said there are already about 4,000 variants of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 circulating around the world, but that the vaccines being rolled out should hold up as effective weapons against the evolving pathogen. Vaccine Deployment Minister Nadhim Zahawi told Britain's Sky News it was "very unlikely" the vaccines wouldn't be effective against the new strains, "especially when it comes to severe illness and hospitalization."

Graham

ceadaoin. wrote: »

There are several thousand documented variants at this stage. Everybody panic!

Panicking about variants would be every bit as silly as pretending they can all safely be ignored.

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

My post was fine, you seem great fun.

The time to order from the top shelf is when you are still sober enough to appreciate it. When you are half cut it’s braggadocio

Lumen

charlie14 wrote: »

I don`t know what figures you are working off that over half of adults will be fully vacinated by end of June but I think that is highly unlikely.


The UK presently only has 41.9% of adults fully vaccinated, and while it is difficult to know what our levels currently are due to the hacker attack, two weeks ago on the 11th. we had 514,808 adults fully vaccinated which is around 12%.

Rough maths warning....

I think eoinb posted that we had 650k second doses due before end of June.

Add the 600k J+J first and final doses and you get maybe 1.9m. That's 50%.

Whatsisname

ceadaoin. wrote: »

There are several thousand documented variants at this stage. Everybody panic!

You can even view just under 4000 of them here.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

There are hundreds of thousands of complete SARS-CoV-2 genomes available and this number increases every day. This visualization can only handle ~3000 genomes in a single view for performance and legibility reasons. Because of this we subsample available genome data for these analysis views. Our primary global analysis subsamples to ~600 genomes per continental region with ~400 from the previous 4 months and ~200 from before this.

gozunda

Klonker wrote: »

So it's worse to exit harsh restrictions, having to reimpose harsh restrictions again before exiting again than to never leave harsh restrictions on the first. Is that really the argument you're trying to make? Because that's what's happening. Other EU countries (eg Germany, France) left lockdown earlier this year while our line was we won't do that as of we have to take a step back again it'll delay our reopening. They had to go to take this step back but somehow are still on course to reopen before us. How is thta even possible and how do you even try to support it or make it out to be logical or reasonable?

UK got the chance to move slower as they got the vaccines early. Do you really think the UK would be in line with us this year in terms of restrictions of they had the same amount of vaccines as us? Last year when neither of us had any vaccines they were always a lot more relaxed than us when they had even higher rates than us. Do you think they had a change of heart in their management of the pandemic or do you think maybe it might have been to do that they weren't under pressure to open quicker as they were going to be the first on Europe to do so anyway.

They didn't really. Germany started to roll back restrictions and very shortly afterwards case numbers started to climb. And restrictions rollback were halted and further restrictions brought back in. I think one of the few restrictions which got through was hairdressing and you had to be tested prior to your appointment to do so.

Graham

Graham wrote: »

Panicking about variants would be every bit as silly as pretending they can all safely be ignored.

No, best way to deal with it is pretend it can’t possibly ever be a problem rather than monitoring so you can react quicker if in the future it becomes a problem even though it’s unlikely. Worked a treat in January 2020

Silentcorner

ceadaoin. wrote: »

There are several thousand documented variants at this stage. Everybody panic!

Perhaps, given that there are over 4,000 documented variants, we haven't panicked enough!!

There'll be another 4,000 this year....hopefully we get the variant that gives you the giggles!!! We could do with a laugh!!!

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No, best way to deal with it is pretend it can’t possibly ever be a problem rather than monitoring so you can react quicker if in the future it becomes a problem even though it’s unlikely. Worked a treat in January 2020

Seems to be quite common. He's a recent photo...

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

No, best way to deal with it is pretend it can’t possibly ever be a problem rather than monitoring so you can react quicker if in the future it becomes a problem even though it’s unlikely. Worked a treat in January 2020

How did that "new virus" that Micheal Martin was on about last February work out, you know, the one that kept us in level 5 lockdown until about 2 weeks ago?

Did anyone explain to him at the time that the chances of another viral surge was virtually impossible?

How much did that f**k up cost the country?

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

How did that "new virus" that Micheal Martin was on about last February work out, you know, the one that kept us in level 5 lockdown until about 2 weeks ago?

Did anyone explain to him at the time that the chances of another viral surge was virtually impossible?

How much did that f**k up cost the country?

No one sane believes that

Klonker

gozunda wrote: »

They didn't really. Germany started to roll back restrictions and very shortly afterwards case numbers started to climb. And restrictions rollback were halted and further restrictions brought back in. I think one of the few restrictions which got through was hairdressing and you had to be tested prior to your appointment to do so.

I said exactly this in the my post you've responded too, you just highlighted half a sentence I wrote and responded to that as if I didn't write the rest of my post along with it

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

No one sane believes that

There was no surge!!!!

Since that complete f**k up of a decision from our Government, more and more people have been moving about, gathering in houses, classrooms, public areas, it's been visible to anyone, much more than January...and guess what, no surge!!!

What is not to believe?

Here's another "off the wall" prediction for you...there won't be another viral surge in this country until Oct/Nov at the earliest.

I know that from the data we have....which for some reason you need to pretend doesn't exist!! Because of variants...which no one was worried about last summer when we'd much less community immunity and no one vaccinated.

Klonker

I seen that Stephen Donnelly said yesterday we are doing better currently than best case scenario projections from a month ago. Looks like NPHET and 'all the best mathematicians from all the universities' as George Lee called them got it wrong again.

PTH2009

Sure look at the big deal we made of the 'Kent Variant' thus MM saying 'it was a new virus'. Sadly it did cause a lot of damage but some of the hysteria was unwarranted and a little foolish

NPHET very much back in the mix in the decision making and if there worried about a Variant than MM and co will say 'ok they know there stuff and we might be better off doing what they say'

Fridays announcement cant come any sooner, hopefully its the the very last one on the road to normality

Lockdown part 4 would be detrimental

Silentcorner

PTH2009 wrote: »

Sure look at the big deal we made of the 'Kent Variant' thus MM saying 'it was a new virus'. Sadly it did cause a lot of damage but some of the hysteria was unwarranted and a little foolish

NPHET very much back in the mix in the decision making and if there worried about a Variant than MM and co will say 'ok they know there stuff and we might be better off doing what they say'

Fridays announcement cant come any sooner, hopefully its the the very last one on the road to normality

Lockdown part 4 would be detrimental

The Kent Variant hit us at the time of year when a variant was most likely to surge through the population, right in the depth of our winter viral infection season.

Why didn't the Kent Variant rip through India?

The "new virus" Martin was prattling on about last February was the Brazilian or SA variant, it was, as predicted by many here, complete nonsense.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Did anyone explain to him at the time that the chances of another viral surge was virtually impossible?

Doubt he watches Grift videos.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

Doubt he watches Grift videos.

Well, who ever he did listen to got it spectacularly wrong!!!

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well, who ever he did listen to got it spectacularly wrong!!!

Yes, there was absolutely no surge in Europe after reopening prematurely.

Oppps can't mention that can I?

But but but Florida.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

Yes, there was absolutely no surge in Europe after reopening prematurely.

Oppps can't mention that can I?

But but but Florida.

Again, you have to ignore the 14 months of Irish data to justify the crippling restrictions the population have had to endure, we had a level 5 lock down from Mid Oct to the 1st week in May, that is nearly 7 months!!!!....barring the three weeks in Dec at level 3...and the best you can come up with is "look at other countries" as a justification for one of the longest most expensive lock downs int he world at this stage.

But but but George Lee said we have the countries best mathematicians working on it....

gozunda

Klonker wrote: »

I said exactly this in the my post you've responded too, you just highlighted half a sentence I wrote and responded to that as if I didn't write the rest of my post along with it

Well no. The gist of your comment seemed to be that they left lockdown / opened up fully and then simply took a step back. I simply pointed out that wasn't the case.

This is what I replied to from your comment.

Klonker wrote:

Because that's what's happening. Other EU countries (eg Germany, France) left lockdown earlier this year while our line was we won't do that as of we have to take a step back again it'll delay our reopening. They had to go to take this step back

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Again, you have to ignore the 14 months of Irish data to justify the crippling restrictions

You are the only one ignoring the data and by extension reality.

Following on from Germany and France.

Austria adds UK to travel ban red list over Indian Covid variant

If only those scientists knew about this thread they would know there is absolutely no need to be cautious.

VonLuck

I see they're planning on having some pilot gigs and events over June and July. Does anyone know how you actually sign up to one of those gatherings? Can't imagine they'll be your typical advertised gigs...

gozunda

Silentcorner wrote: »

The Kent Variant hit us at the time of year when a variant was most likely to surge through the population, right in the depth of our winter viral infection season.

Why didn't the Kent Variant rip through India?

The "new virus" Martin was prattling on about last February was the Brazilian or SA variant, it was, as predicted by many here, complete nonsense.

Regarding the "new virus" thingy. It wasn't the Brazilian or SA variant

This is what was said about the 'new virus" ie the B.1.1.7 strain

This was Ronan Glynn Deputy Chief Medical Officer on March 22 2021

“We are dealing with a new virus versus 2020, that is for sure. And we have been dealing with significant levels of the virus in this country for some time this year,” Dr Ronan Glynn said on the issue of stalled progression.

This is Micheál Martin on 30 March 2021 clearly referring to the CMOs comment

The disease we are dealing with now is a very different beast to that which we were facing at the beginning of the first lockdown in Ireland more than 54 weeks ago.

The so-called UK or B-117 variant is essentially a new virus. It is more transmissible and it is significantly more dangerous...

Whilst the description used should correctly read "new virus variant" - the point the CMO was making was that B.1.1.7 was responsible for the difficuly of getting case numbers down. Micheal Martin repeated the same and added that it was more transmissible and (therefore) more dangerous.

Could MM and Dr Glynn described it better? Yes they could. That doesn't invalidate that B.1.1.7 did indeed cause issues with case numbers long after the increased numbers of covid cases at Christmas.

Oh and the Kent / UK / B.1.1.7 variant and India? It ripped through quite a few EU countries after us. It is also believed to now be one of two major variants currently active in India.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

You are the only one ignoring the data and by extension reality.

Can you even admit that Micheal Martin was wrong to keep us in level 5 lock down because of the "new virus" back in February?

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Can you even admit that Micheal Martin was wrong to keep us in level 5 lock down because of the "new virus" back in February?

Nope, as evidence by the reality of what happened in Europe when they eased restrictions prematurely.

What part of that is actually confusing you?

Klonker

gozunda wrote: »

Well no. The gist of your comment was they left lockdown / opened up fully and then simply took a step back. I simply pointed out that wasn't the case.

This is what I replied to from your comment.

I never said opened up fully and it's not what I meant. I was equating leaving lockdown to leaving our equivalent to level 5 restrictions.

The gist of my post as you put it was posters on here and our government like to say we don't want to have to take a step back as it'll delay our reopening. A poster on here who I responded to (not you) used Germany and France as examples as countries who had to take this step back. I was pointing out even though these countries did have to take a step back they are still on course or reopen before us.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

You are the only one ignoring the data and by extension reality.


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Boggles wrote: »

Nope, as evidence by the reality of what happened in Europe when they eased restrictions prematurely.

What part of that is actually confusing you?

You Boggles, are the one that is ignoring reality! The figures are in, there was nothing to worry about.

Another question for you.

Do you believe that this virus transmits outdoors in a meaningful way? (by meaningful I mean in a manner that could threaten to over run the health system)

castletownman

The only way the 105 minute time limit makes some semblance of sense is if it's gastropubs taking bookings. Pre-covid, it would be very hard to get a table in the most popular gastropub near me, and if you were a walk-in, you'd often have an hour between bookings.

If it's for your typical "old man pub" setting, it is absolutely pointless. I could easily start off at one at the bottom of town and work my up the street to each one if I'm essentially forced to leave after a pre-determined period.

Come to think of it, that doesn't sound too bad

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

You Boggles, are the one that is ignoring reality! The figures are in, there was nothing to worry about.

Jesus lad, you have been universally wrong since the start on every aspect of the pandemic.

For the love of God and particularly your own sanity, please stop doubling down on what the grifters are trying to sell you.

I hope you haven't given them money, have you?

Silentcorner wrote: »

Another question for you.

Do you believe that this virus transmits outdoors in a meaningful way? (by meaningful I mean in a manner that could threaten to over run the health system)

Objection, leading!

May be ask it in context, without the hyperbole.