F1 2021 :Round 2 Imola

MadYaker

Larbre34 wrote: »

He says.

Bottas reckons he's talking shyte and I'm inclined to agree.

I'd worry big time about Russell's immaturity based on that interview. Paranoid, hot head in the car. He's a long way from the mental strength and judgement needed to succeed in Grand Prix racing.

Pretty much my take on it as well. I guess he is frustrated but still, it not a gracious stance to take.

Dont be at yourself

I can see George’s POV but ultimately he put the wheel in the grass when the space was there, so has to take his share of the blame.

Bottas is a waste of space, qualifying so far down and doing nothing for the whole race. Compare it to Hamilton’s recovery drive, night and day. If Perez gets up to speed over the next few races, Mercedes may rue not having a stronger no 2.

Great to see McLaren and Ferrari rivalry continue. Ricciardo didn’t seem at the races at all but strong drives from the rest.

Alpha Tauri underperforming again. Crazy gamble with Gasly starting on the wets ruined his race, and silly mistake from Tsunoda. Frustrating, as the car seems to have the pace.

murphyebass

murphyebass wrote: »

He’s already unlikeable. He’s not in Lewis unlikeable territory but not many are.

Ah no, I’ve a soft spot for George but that wasn’t a good interview.

Bottas done the best thing by giving the middle finger. Short and to the point. F.R.O.

Joeface

Oh I am after seeing the footage from Vettels car with Lewis reversing onto the track , that does not look good. I know there are yellow flags but that should be looked at. I didn't think much of it during the race but it's still a wet track and he is coming onto a racing line.

They only showed Lewis' in car on the live feed and some exterior shot

footage linked
https://streamable.com/r90ovr

TheDoctor

Joeface wrote: »

Oh I am after seeing the footage from Vettels car with Lewis reversing onto the track , that does not look good. I know there are yellow flags but that should be looked at. I didn't think much of it during the race but it's still a wet track and he is coming onto a racing line.

They only showed Lewis' in car on the live feed and some exterior shot

Nothing short of immediate disqualification from the 2021 championship will suffice

Hijpo

TheDoctor wrote: »

Nothing short of immediate disqualification from the 2021 championship will suffice

Lol!

Joeface

TheDoctor wrote: »

Nothing short of immediate disqualification from the 2021 championship will suffice

Ha ha 🀣 , no compromise no excuse

MadYaker

They shouldn't allow cars to unlap themselves like that

Inquitus

MadYaker wrote: »

They shouldn't allow cars to unlap themselves like that

Thems the rules, and they have been like that for a while, it is what it is, Lewis also got a free wing change out of it as well, but the rules are the same for everyone and sometimes you get on the right side of them, sometimes the wrong side. It's not really worth arguing the toss tbh.

Burkie1203

Inquitus wrote: »

Thems the rules, and they have been like that for a while, it is what it is, Lewis also got a free wing change out of it as well, but the rules are the same for everyone and sometimes you get on the right side of them, sometimes the wrong side. It's not really worth arguing the toss tbh.

He was lapped because he pitted for a wing change IIRC

Joeface

Joeface wrote: »

Oh I am after seeing the footage from Vettels car with Lewis reversing onto the track , that does not look good. I know there are yellow flags but that should be looked at. I didn't think much of it during the race but it's still a wet track and he is coming onto a racing line.

They only showed Lewis' in car on the live feed and some exterior shot

footage linked
https://streamable.com/r90ovr

Sky conveniently don’t seem to have that footage. Though I’d say Brundle would resign on the spot if they showed it.

ThunbergsAreGo

Joeface wrote: »

Oh I am after seeing the footage from Vettels car with Lewis reversing onto the track , that does not look good. I know there are yellow flags but that should be looked at. I didn't think much of it during the race but it's still a wet track and he is coming onto a racing line.

They only showed Lewis' in car on the live feed and some exterior shot

footage linked
https://streamable.com/r90ovr

Thats crazy dangerous to do, especially at the speed they are going

Joeface

I said he is coming onto a racing line , he is not really but looks close enough to be dangerous.

If it was Vettel given his current luck ...he would have had points on his license before the finishing line

barryribs

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Sky conveniently don’t seem to have that footage.

Their coverage was top notch today, 'Crofty' doing mental gymnastics to try to blame Russell for Hamilton's spin, blaming Bottas for the crash. It's just a shame they couldn't fit a nice Lewis montage into the red flag period, that would have really pushed me over the edge.

Joeface

Croft never has the story correct for anything . always has the over takes down field incorrect.
he is looking at the same footage we are and has a pile more data in front of him and still gets it wrong.
I don't think Brundle bothers correcting him any more he just doesn't stop

Harpon

flazio wrote: »

Well how do set the grid otherwise? Say 20th was lapped by 1st but not by 2nd. And was only 3 seconds behind 19th?

You set the grid by everyone being in the same position they were at the time of the red flag. So if 20th was lapped by the leader but not 2nd placed driver, then grid is:
1. 1st
2. 20th (but 1 lap down obviously)
3. 2nd

Why complicate things by changing the order of drivers and allowing those a lap down to get an unfair advantage?

Harika

Joeface wrote: »

Oh I am after seeing the footage from Vettels car with Lewis reversing onto the track , that does not look good. I know there are yellow flags but that should be looked at. I didn't think much of it during the race but it's still a wet track and he is coming onto a racing line.

They only showed Lewis' in car on the live feed and some exterior shot

footage linked
https://streamable.com/r90ovr

No issue there, with double waved yellow and not snapping into the middle of the road like Vettel did in Monza.
Besides that, bad day for rookies, all involved in incidents with mazespin the least guilty.
Bottas and Russell will be perfect water carriers for Lewis.
Perez doing stupid errors, very unusual for him.
McLaren gambling perfectly unlike AT

barryribs

Harpon wrote: »

You set the grid by everyone being in the same position they were at the time of the red flag. So if 20th was lapped by the leader but not 2nd placed driver, then grid is:
1. 1st
2. 20th (but 1 lap down obviously)
3. 2nd

Why complicate things by changing the order of drivers and allowing those a lap down to get an unfair advantage?

Then you'd have people complaining about the last placed car holding up the second placed car at the safety car restart. It was changed for this reason and it works fine

Harpon

OSI wrote: »

It gets the usually slower cars out of the main racing pack for the restart so improves racing and reduces risk.

I don’t see how that would improve the racing and reduce risks, these are professional drivers well used to overtaking slower drivers, why would they suddenly start crashing into them in the event of a restart.

It also doesn’t explain why they lapped drivers get to unlap themselves, if you want them out of the way just put them at the back of the grid then, but still be a lap down.

Harika

Harpon wrote: »

Why complicate things by changing the order of drivers and allowing those a lap down to get an unfair advantage?

Has advantages and disadvantages. Before this lucky dog rule was adapted from NASCAR, you could loose out on a battle to the flag.
Overtaking takes time

Harika

Harika wrote: »

Overtaking takes time

Don’t get lapped then.

Harika

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Don’t get lapped then.

We are talking about a battle for the win, where first and second are separated by overtaken cars.

Harpon

barryribs wrote: »

Then you'd have people complaining about the last placed car holding up the second placed car at the safety car restart. It was changed for this reason and it works fine

It doesn’t work fine as we just seen today.

No one would be complaining as that’s part of racing. Once the race restarts the last placed car would get the blue flags to let the car behind them past like in the rest of the race. That car would of been holding up the car behind them at the time of the red flag so what difference does it make.

antodeco

Or just have any lapped cars start from the Pit lane in their correct order. Just has them out of the way, and they are penalised aswell. Green light on the put lane after 10 seconds once the "final" unlapped car passes a particular line

barryribs

Harpon wrote: »

It doesn’t work fine as we just seen today.

No one would be complaining as that’s part of racing. Once the race restarts the last placed car would get the blue flags to let the car behind them past like in the rest of the race. That car would of been holding up the car behind them at the time of the red flag so what difference does it make.

True but what if the last place car had left a gap of 3 seconds between them and the leader at the restart, they only need to be 10 car lengths behind. The safety car restart is difficult enough without having a Haas between first and second to worry about.

Harika

Just think of this that way: next time your favourite driver might benefit from it

klose

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

What happened to Danny Ric? Still learning the car?

Steady eddy first two races so I'd say he and mclaren are pleased, car certainly seems to have the pace so when he gets up to speed you could see mclaren having more days like today.

klose

Joeface wrote: »

Croft never has the story correct for anything . always has the over takes down field incorrect.
he is looking at the same footage we are and has a pile more data in front of him and still gets it wrong.
I don't think Brundle bothers correcting him any more he just doesn't stop

He was full certain Hamilton was 4th when the red flag was waved despite him being stuck in gravel for ages and the graphics clearly showed him 9th,no idea what race or feeds he was viewing.

tigerboon

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Thats crazy dangerous to do, especially at the speed they are going

No it's not. Under double waved yellow drivers should reduce their speed and be prepared to stop as the track may be blocked

ThunbergsAreGo

tigerboon wrote: »

No it's not. Under double waved yellow drivers should reduce their speed and be prepared to stop as the track may be blocked

Ah apologies, missed that part of the race and just saw the clip. Didn't realise it was a double yellow. Thought it was a normal.