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Minnesota officer shoots dead another innocent black victim

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    #182
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,241 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Overheal wrote: »
    ...Training is the first thing cut during austerity measures. Most departments (of which there is no national standardization) spend paltry amounts on training. .
    Overheal wrote: »
    According to your link that group was dissolved.

    The slave patrols became the police.

    Where did this incident happen?


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    #183
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,865 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Ariel Roman shot for crossing between car at a train station unarmed ,

    He's not dead? You said "when white guys are killed and shot by cops"

    Funny how the white guy survives a police shooting though.

    Bet the ER saw a white guy on the table too and took more care of him than 'some gangbanger' - though I'm impressed the cops 'fear for their life' didn't extend to emptying the clip for a white person. Only for non whites does that fear seem to surpass the first couple rounds.


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    #184
    Ckendrick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 128 ✭✭Ckendrick


    Overheal wrote: »
    He's not dead? You said "when white guys are killed and shot by cops"

    Funny how the white guy survives a police shooting though.

    Bet the ER saw a white guy on the table too and took more care of him than 'some gangbanger' - though I'm impressed the cops 'fear for their life' didn't extend to emptying the clip for a white person. Only for non whites does that fear seem to surpass the first couple rounds.

    The ER staff are all racist too?


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    #185
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,241 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Overheal wrote: »

    Bet the ER saw a white guy on the table too and took more care of him than 'some gangbanger' - though I'm impressed the cops 'fear for their life' didn't extend to emptying the clip for a white person.

    Not sure if serious, Poes law strikes again


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    #186
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,555 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Overheal wrote: »
    He's not dead? You said "when white guys are killed and shot by cops"

    Funny how the white guy survives a police shooting though.

    Bet the ER saw a white guy on the table too and took more care of him than 'some gangbanger' - though I'm impressed the cops 'fear for their life' didn't extend to emptying the clip for a white person. Only for non whites does that fear seem to surpass the first couple rounds.





    You live a strange life,


    Do you think everyone is racist ?
    Do you know what ethnicity the people working in the ER are ?


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    #187
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,865 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ckendrick wrote: »
    The ER staff are all racist too?

    Fact of life.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4865441/

    https://www.annemergmed.com/article/S0196-0644(09)00243-1/fulltext

    https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/welcome-ad?toURL=/clinical-care/emergency-medical-responders-confront-racial-bias

    Again, I see people willfully ignoring the distinction between racism and implicit bias.


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    #188
    newhouse87
    Registered Users Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Great to have overheal back, was wondering where he/she had gone, cant beat sweeping generalizations for a laugh.


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    #189
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,631 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Overheal wrote: »
    He's not dead? You said "when white guys are killed and shot by cops"

    Funny how the white guy survives a police shooting though.

    Bet the ER saw a white guy on the table too and took more care of him than 'some gangbanger' - though I'm impressed the cops 'fear for their life' didn't extend to emptying the clip for a white person. Only for non whites does that fear seem to surpass the first couple rounds.

    How many times was this lad shot?


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    #190
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,865 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    You live a strange life,


    Do you think everyone is racist ?
    Do you know what ethnicity the people working in the ER are ?

    Weird of you to stray off topic in favor of ad hominems.

    Where oh where did I say "everyone is racist?"

    Do you know the difference between racism and implicit bias? If you do, then you understand that the race of the attending physician is far from the primary factor. Blacks can be implicitly biased against blacks for instance.


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    #191
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,865 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    tayto lover wrote: »
    How many times was this lad shot?

    Enough to kill him.

    Ariel Roman is alive and well.


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    #192
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    You live a strange life,


    Do you think everyone is racist ?
    Do you know what ethnicity the people working in the ER are ?

    Overheal gets very upset when black criminals get killed by cops .....


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    #193
    Ckendrick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 128 ✭✭Ckendrick


    Overheal wrote: »
    Fact of life.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4865441/

    https://www.annemergmed.com/article/S0196-0644(09)00243-1/fulltext

    https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/welcome-ad?toURL=/clinical-care/emergency-medical-responders-confront-racial-bias

    Again, I see people willfully ignoring the distinction between racism and implicit bias.

    So all hospital doctors are racist. Including the 50% who are not white? I thought people of colour can simply not be racist?


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    #194
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,865 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ckendrick wrote: »
    So all hospital doctors are racist. Including the 50% who are not white? I thought people of colour can simply not be racist?

    You're really jumping the shark there with non-logic.

    I highlight implicit bias and you take that to mean 'all hospital doctors are racist'

    Breathtaking ignorance.


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    #195
    take everything
    Registered Users Posts: 9,804 ✭✭✭take everything


    Overheal wrote: »
    He's not dead? You said "when white guys are killed and shot by cops"

    Funny how the white guy survives a police shooting though.

    Bet the ER saw a white guy on the table too and took more care of him than 'some gangbanger' - though I'm impressed the cops 'fear for their life' didn't extend to emptying the clip for a white person. Only for non whites does that fear seem to surpass the first couple rounds.

    Are you serious.

    So you have put yourself into the heads of white police officers and ER doctors and have concluded how exactly they think and feel about black people. The ER one takes the biscuit.

    Bizarre.
    You have reasoned that a black person's survival vs a white persons survival from a shooting are all racially determined at every step of the way.

    I'd hate to be in your head.


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    #196
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,865 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    kildare lad wrote: »
    Overheal gets very upset when black criminals get killed by cops .....

    I get upset when suspects die without due process.


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    #197
    newhouse87
    Registered Users Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    newhouse87 wrote: »
    Great to have overheal back, was wondering where he/she had gone, cant beat sweeping generalizations for a laugh.

    A yellow card for that, my sincerest apologies if i upset you overheal.


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    #198
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,865 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    take everything wrote: »
    Are you serious.

    So you have put yourself into the heads of white police officers and ER doctors and have concluded how exactly they think and feel about black people. The ER one takes the biscuit.

    Bizarre.
    You have reasoned that a black person's survival vs a white persons survival from a shooting are all racially determined at every step of the way.

    I'd hate to be in your head.

    I'd hate to be in yours, as you've wildly distorted what I've said into your own delusion.
    a black person's survival vs a white persons survival from a shooting are all racially determined at every step of the way.

    Influenced, not determined. The phenomena has been a focus of continuing study. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/the-state-of-healthcare-in-the-united-states/racial-disparities-in-health-care/


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    #199
    Ckendrick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 128 ✭✭Ckendrick


    Overheal wrote: »
    You're really jumping the shark there with non-logic.

    I highlight implicit bias and you take that to mean 'all hospital doctors are racist'

    Breathtaking ignorance.

    Lol! I asked you if all hospital doctors are racist and you answered “fact of life”.
    You don’t have a single clue what your talking about.


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    #200
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,865 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ckendrick wrote: »
    Lol! I asked you if all hospital doctors are racist and you answered “fact of life”.

    Sorry, I'll slow that down for you: it is a fact of life that there is implicit bias in medicine. This does not equivocate to doctors being racist xenophobes.


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    #201
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Overheal wrote: »
    Name one? An incident where a white suspect was blown away by cops for temporary tags or something?

    duncan lemp was white, computer programmer no criminal convictions or ties.
    shot dead while asleep by cops in a no knock raid over a rumour on the internet

    around time of george floyd too

    funny how selective reporting works and who falls for it


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    #202
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,865 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ckendrick wrote: »
    She didn’t want to get shot by a man with a warrant out for his arrest on arms charges.
    What on earth does his skin colour have to do with that?
    It’s apparently important to you, but there’s no suggestion anywhere’s this point that his skin colour made any difference to her reaction to his resisting arrest. That would be racism.
    Or can you point that out to me if you see it?

    lol, okay, so she simultaneously thought she was going for a taser, but also feared she was going to be shot? You don't reach for a taser when you're afraid of being shot.

    Pick a lane.


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    #203
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,865 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    paw patrol wrote: »
    duncan lemp was white, computer programmer no criminal convictions or ties.
    shot dead while asleep by cops in a no knock raid over a rumour on the internet

    around time of george floyd too

    funny how selective reporting works and who falls for it

    So unless Breonna Taylor and her BF rigged a shotgun booby-trap at their front door, I think there are clear distinctions between the 2 cases....

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/md-man-killed-by-officer-during-raid-had-door-booby-trapped-to-fire-at-anyone-entering-police-say/2020/03/17/d636ebe6-688a-11ea-b313-df458622c2cc_story.html

    And no similarity to the GF incident, which had nothing to do with a no knock raid.

    I can see why the incident didn't spark popular outrage. The victim was not nearly as relatable as an innocent EMT.


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    #204
    bewareofthedog
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭bewareofthedog


    Overheal wrote: »

    And no similarity to the GF incident, which had nothing to do with a no knock raid.

    Such incidents aren't hard to find, you don't see them because you don't search for them or want to know about them. "Willfully ignorant" indeed.



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    #205
    biko
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's mad that no matter how many black people are shot and killed by police the same names are always here to tell us how it wasn't a racist incident and it was the victim that was in the wrong.
    A) when it's clear it's a racist shooting then you'll probably find everyone agree to this.
    B) when it's not clear it a racist shooting then you'll probably find not everyone agree to this.

    In this instance there is nothing to say there was a racist motive behind the shooting. There may be others, but in this case that doesn't seem to be the case.
    I posted the bodycam footage earlier and suggest you view it.


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    #206
    Overheal
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    bewareofthedog wrote: »
    Such incidents aren't hard to find, you don't see them because you don't search for them or want to know about them. "Willfully ignorant" indeed.


    But you've highlighted an incident which, in fact, sparks outrage.

    If this was to highlight disproportionate outrage for black policing victims it's a bit of a fail, as Daniel Shaver's death have been covered far and wide over the years. It also helped the police that the video was not made public until the officer's trial was already complete. https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/investigations/hundreds-march-to-mesa-police-headquarters-to-fight-against-excessive-force-and-racial-profiling

    Otherwise yes it's another great example of policing out of control.


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    #207
    Sandor Clegane
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    This case was not race related, this case is one of gross incompetence.


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    #208
    Nozebleed
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    Sandor Clegane wrote: »
    This case was not race related, this case is one of gross incompetence.

    but....he was blaaaaaaackkk.


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    #209
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,865 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Sandor Clegane wrote: »
    This case was not race related, this case is one of gross incompetence.

    Can you prove that?


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    #210
    Sandor Clegane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    Overheal wrote: »
    Can you prove that?

    Prove what? that she was incompetent? or that it wasn't race related?


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    #211
    basill
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    Some bodycam footage was just up on Virgin main news. Getting back into your vehicle and wrestling with cops trying to arrest you for an outstanding warrant is not likely to end well.


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