Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

is_that_so

dominatinMC wrote: »

Considering this is from the much-maligned Sinovac vaccine, these are good results!

It's not maligned, the data on it wasn't good in trials.

expectationlost

Gael23 wrote: »

Another solo run by SD

its not a solo run it was already mentioned in the National COVID-19 Vaccination Programme: Strategy https://assets.gov.ie/108854/babc7d1b-cb10-49db-8dd0-0c7408dea162.pdf pg 29 bottom

Turtwig

Miike wrote: »

Children aren't driving high levels of transmission and suffer next to zero consequences of infection. If the adults in the family are vaccinated then the children have nothing to worry about, especially when we are working with limited supply. Obviously it would be nice to have everyone vaccinated by yesterday but that also isn't realistic.

While this is largely true you have to remember many parents would be incredibly anxious about their children who would be part of cohorts 4 or even 7 if vaccination was approved for all ages.

dominatinMC

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not maligned, the data on it wasn't good in trials.

Okay, if you're going to be pedantic about it, how about I rephrase it to "much-criticised"

is_that_so

dominatinMC wrote: »

Okay, if you're going to be pedantic about it, how about I rephrase it to "much-criticised"

Well, that it's not great is pretty factual! They even admitted it themselves, very briefly, but always good to see a level of protection anyway.

Strazdas

expectationlost wrote: »

its not a solo run it was already mentioned in the National COVID-19 Vaccination Programme: Strategy https://assets.gov.ie/108854/babc7d1b-cb10-49db-8dd0-0c7408dea162.pdf pg 29 bottom

When was that published, is that from months ago? It surely is not from this week?

If it's an outdated document, then it is already irrelevant to the current rollout.

expectationlost

expectationlost wrote: »

its not a solo run it was already mentioned in the National COVID-19 Vaccination Programme: Strategy https://assets.gov.ie/108854/babc7d1b-cb10-49db-8dd0-0c7408dea162.pdf pg 29 bottom

It was called provisional meaning rough draft.

it was published in December.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

is_that_so

Strazdas wrote: »

When was that published, is that from months ago? It surely is not from this week?

If it's an outdated document, then it is already irrelevant to the current rollout.

It's actually an overview of how they were going to manage the programme, including ramping up, much of which is in operation. You're referring to the much changed but very different provisional vaccination group document.

odyssey06

expectationlost wrote: »

its not a solo run it was already mentioned in the National COVID-19 Vaccination Programme: Strategy https://assets.gov.ie/108854/babc7d1b-cb10-49db-8dd0-0c7408dea162.pdf pg 29 bottom

The sequencing of allocation in that document was put into the recycle bin weeks back when the rollout was changed to age basis, and the government expended political capital explaining the scientific basis for the change.
Restoring it from the recycle bin is a solo run by Donnelly \ Dept of Health.

dominatinMC

is_that_so wrote: »

Well, that it's not great is pretty factual! They even admitted it themselves, very briefly, but always good to see a level of protection anyway.

Ya, that's what I mean. The fact that there appears to be quite good protection from a poor vaccine (relative to Pfizer, Moderna) is great news. And, from what I've seen there is a high level of the Brazilian variant circulating in Chile too..

is_that_so

odyssey06 wrote: »

That document was put into the recycle bin weeks back when the rollout was changed to age basis, and the government expended political capital explaining the scientific basis for the change.
Restoring it from the recycle bin is a solo run by Donnelly \ Dept of Health.

The allocation part of it yes but most of it is about systems and programme processes, which have not.

expectationlost

odyssey06 wrote: »

The sequencing of allocation in that document was put into the recycle bin weeks back when the rollout was changed to age basis, and the government expended political capital explaining the scientific basis for the change.
Restoring it from the recycle bin is a solo run by Donnelly \ Dept of Health.

cabinet decides

eoinbn

JTMan wrote: »

With the highest under 16 population in the EU, the vaccination of those under 16 is important. We need to plan. This makes me worry ...

Regarding the vaccination of those aged 15 and younger ... MM also said that the European Commission is planning on a rollout of vaccinations for children and teenagers in 2022 and 2023. WTF? 2022 and 2023? What planet is he on?

The FDA is expected to approve Pfizer for those aged 12-15 later this month or early next month. A submission to the EMA is expected soon. It is expected that the approval process will be quicker than the one for those aged 16+. Ireland should be aiming for July for the first dose for those aged 12-15. Not 2022!

Goldman Sachs (who have being very accurate in their predictions) have said that they expect FDA approval for Pfizer for those aged 6 months to 11 in October 2021. I would guess that the EMA will approve around then too. Hence, we should be aiming to vaccinate those aged under 11, mainly in schools, in October or November 2021. Not 2023!

We don't have unlimited supply of Pfizer. Based on the current supply we will still be vaccinating adults with first doses in August so I don't see how we could be vaccinating children in July.
Moderna should be ramping up in Q3, potentially with some supply from the US. That should be cleared for children by that stage.
I think the comments about 2022/23 is that the EU will order with children in mind the next time. The 900m is the figure that is been talked about which is two doses for both adults and children.

jackboy

expectationlost wrote: »

its not a solo run it was already mentioned in the National COVID-19 Vaccination Programme: Strategy https://assets.gov.ie/108854/babc7d1b-cb10-49db-8dd0-0c7408dea162.pdf pg 29 bottom

Yeah but the government told the teachers to get lost based on the fact that they were going to ‘follow the science’ and vaccinate by age downwards. Didn’t take them long to start picking holes in that science.

expectationlost

jackboy wrote: »

Yeah but the government told the teachers to get lost based on the fact that they were going to ‘follow the science’ and vaccinate by age downwards. Didn’t take them long to start picking holes in that science.

no they said doing it by age was the quickest way too...

stephenjmcd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It was called provisional meaning rough draft.

it was published in December.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

That just the allocation part of it. The strategy document is a living document.

The technical processes etc are all still relevant and accurate only change is the allocation strategy.

There's more to the document than just the allocations.

https://assets.gov.ie/108854/babc7d1b-cb10-49db-8dd0-0c7408dea162.pdf

jackboy

jackboy wrote: »

Yeah but the government told the teachers to get lost based on the fact that they were going to ‘follow the science’ and vaccinate by age downwards. Didn’t take them long to start picking holes in that science.

Asking a question as to whether or not this would be a good strategy is picking holes in the science?

jackboy

expectationlost wrote: »

no they said doing it by age was the quickest way too...

No they clearly said they were following the science.

odyssey06

expectationlost wrote: »

cabinet decides

The cabinet already decided this issue, just a few weeks back, and went out to bat for it in public. And as a member of Cabinet Donnelly is bound by that decision.
If you are reopening this now, so soon without game changing new evidence, you completely undermine that previous decision and public confidence in the process and rollout.

JTMan

eoinbn wrote: »

We don't have unlimited supply of Pfizer. Based on the current supply we will still be vaccinating adults with first doses in August so I don't see how we could be vaccinating children in July.
Moderna should be ramping up in Q3, potentially with some supply from the US. That should be cleared for children by that stage.
I think the comments about 2022/23 is that the EU will order with children in mind the next time. The 900m is the figure that is been talked about which is two doses for both adults and children.

The government have said that the 30 June target to vaccinate 82% of the population aged 16+ remains and that does not include J&J nor CureVac. Also, 82% might not be far from the amount of people who want a vaccine. Hence, I would guess that August is pessimistic.

Yeah, Moderna probably will have a roll to play on the children vaccination programme.

It seems that children 11 and under will not get two doses. Trials are testing 10-30 micrograms. Those aged 16+ get 60 micrograms in total. Hence, less doses will be needed.

Micky 32

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1383454306939019264?s=21

:pac:

GazzaL

Micky 32 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1383454306939019264?s=21

:pac:

I'll take the AstraZeneca, the Sputnik, the Sinovac, just give me a ****ing vaccine.

The zero risk approach, the longest rolling lockdown in the world, the obliteration of businesses, jobs and lives, the utter nonsense of mandatory hotel quarantine, Tony Holohan, Micheál Martin, and Stevie Donnelly have done more damage to Ireland than the Black and Tans.

AMKC

They better mot start vaccinating 18 to 30 year olds before us 40 to 45 year old or there will be maybem I tell you. Fu-ck 18 to 30 year old unless they have a compromised immune system us 40+ are more susceptible to the virus so us before them unless they want there ass sued too.

expectationlost

odyssey06 wrote: »

The cabinet already decided this issue, just a few weeks back, and went out to bat for it in public. And as a member of Cabinet Donnelly is bound by that decision.
If you are reopening this now, so soon without game changing new evidence, you completely undermine that previous decision and public confidence in the process and rollout.

except they already agreed that this was a possibility, so it can't come as a surprise to them.

Szero

When will 69 year olds get a notification of a vaccine appointment? I think I read that it would be this weekend?

AMKC

AMKC wrote: »

They better mot start vaccinating 18 to 30 year olds before us 40 to 45 year old or there will be maybem I tell you. Fu-ck 18 to 30 year old unless they have a compromised immune system us 40+ are more susceptible to the virus so us before them unless they want there ass sued too.

Here here.

Don't worry more chance of pigs flying...

For once most people and parties agree this is a terrible idea.

We won't be talking about it by Wednesday or maybe before.


https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/more-than-two-thirds-against-idea-of-vaccinating-under-30s-as-a-priority-poll-40323010.html

stephenjmcd

AMKC wrote: »

They better mot start vaccinating 18 to 30 year olds before us 40 to 45 year old or there will be maybem I tell you. Fu-ck 18 to 30 year old unless they have a compromised immune system us 40+ are more susceptible to the virus so us before them unless they want there ass sued too.

Your going to sue the state if someone gets a vaccine before you..... yeah good luck with that one.

Bit of realism

odyssey06

expectationlost wrote: »

except they already agreed that this was possibility, so it can't come as a surprise to them.

When did they agree that?

And when did they agree to move to a risk based approach for vaccine prioritisation versus those in situations of high exposure and transmission?

It's pretty obvious why this would be a surprise to them coming so soon after the latter decision and it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

Bubbaclaus

Szero wrote: »

When will 69 year olds get a notification of a vaccine appointment? I think I read that it would be this weekend?

My 68 year old father received his appointment a few hours ago. For this Thursday.

ACitizenErased

As of tomorrow Israeli people no longer have to wear masks in public. We too will reach that stage!