Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

DaSilva

ACitizenErased wrote: »

HSE issued a statement yesterday that all of today's appointments were cancelled, it was all over the news

They didn't get any alert, and my understanding from the media was it was cancelled for under 60s, but don't keep on top of the latest news constantly

Deleted User wrote: »

If that location are moving from Pfizer to AZ its not a joke that it was delayed to allow the switch

They were originally meant to get AZ anyway, so no change to them

Sanjuro

Getting pretty sick of the "abundance of caution" line being wheeled out for every ultra-conservative decision taken by NIAC and NPHET. It feels like everything could eventually grind to a halt out of an abundance of caution. There has to be a point where you do a risk assessment and find a way to move forward or else end up never doing a thing. The risk of clotting is between 4-10 in a million. If I were to apply the same odds, I'd never leave the house again for fear of being run over, hit by lightning or being struck by a crashing plane. The whole thing is incredibly infuriating. I'd take AZ tomorrow if offered. Let people make risk assessments themselves.

ACitizenErased

J&J Vaccine being paused in the USA.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/johnson-johnson-vaccine-blood-clots-fda-cdc.html

Micky 32

“”THE TÁNAISTE HAS said the government will be able to say “over the next couple of days” whether the target of giving 80% of the adult population at least one vaccine dose by the end of June can still be met.

Yesterday the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) recommended that the AstraZeneca vaccine should only be given to people aged over 60, following reports of serious but rare blood clotting events. Officials have said it is estimated that these events occur in 4-10 cases in every million dose administered.””

So if we vaccinated the entire population with AZ we’d only have an estimated 20-50 possible cases out of 5 million people??

Bit cynical

EU has been falling behind even its own projection for vaccinations as the chart below shows.

The dotted line is based on the the 860,000 predicted doses for Ireland estimate made towards the end of last month. It is going to take a lot longer, sadly, than anyone imaged to get the EU vaccinated.

Bubbaclaus

DaSilva wrote: »

I can't understand what is going on, one of my parents was due to be vaccinated today with AZ, in their late 60s, and it was cancelled upon arrival!

What a joke

All AZ clinics have been cancelled for today. Well reported in media yesterday.

odyssey06

ACitizenErased wrote: »

J&J Vaccine being paused in the USA.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/johnson-johnson-vaccine-blood-clots-fda-cdc.html

Sounds very similar to the initial AZ reports.

Six recipients in the United States developed a rare disorder involving blood clots within about two weeks of vaccination, officials briefed on the decision said.
All six recipients were women between the ages of 18 and 48. One woman died and a second woman in Nebraska has been hospitalized in critical condition, the officials said. Nearly seven million people in the United States have received Johnson & Johnson shots so far.

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

J&J Vaccine being paused in the USA.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/johnson-johnson-vaccine-blood-clots-fda-cdc.html

Up to the states if they want to pause it.

At least the CDC review is going to be quick given it kicks off tomorrow.

6 events in 7 million doses is quite frankly a negligible impact here based on the amount of doses expected. Certainly from looking at the numbers the occurrence appears to be less than AZ.

EMA have been reviewing since last week so we'll see what comes of it in due course

Cork2021

ACitizenErased wrote: »

J&J Vaccine being paused in the USA.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/johnson-johnson-vaccine-blood-clots-fda-cdc.html

I’m done!
So if same issue as AZ that could possibly mean 605,000 people will not get vaccinated fully in Q2!!
Absolutely done with this crap!

funnydoggy

Definitely going back to therapy. This is such a dampener. I want to go back to work, I want to live my life. I know it isn't fair on anyone and I'm not special but man

titan18

ACitizenErased wrote: »

J&J Vaccine being paused in the USA.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/johnson-johnson-vaccine-blood-clots-fda-cdc.html

We're fcuked if that gets the same criteria as AZ. Pfizer have been doing well but one vaccine really (Moderna supply is so low it barely counts) is going to take forever.

stephenjmcd

Cork2021 wrote: »

I’m done!
So if same issue as AZ that could possibly mean 605,000 people will not get vaccinated fully in Q2!!
Absolutely done with this crap!

Hold your horses until its looked into.

No point in getting worked up.

In an Irish context the risk appears lower than AZ. Given the impact J&J would have here I wouldn't see them applying the same threshold.

Stark

Sanjuro wrote: »

Getting pretty sick of the "abundance of caution" line being wheeled out for every ultra-conservative decision taken by NIAC and NPHET. It feels like everything could eventually grind to a halt out of an abundance of caution. There has to be a point where you do a risk assessment and find a way to move forward or else end up never doing a thing. The risk of clotting is between 4-10 in a million. If I were to apply the same odds, I'd never leave the house again for fear of being run over, hit by lightning or being struck by a crashing plane. The whole thing is incredibly infuriating. I'd take AZ tomorrow if offered. Let people make risk assessments themselves.

Stay home. Stay safe.

lbj666

Wolf359f wrote: »

So potentially that 200k shortfall would be made up within 1 week in July by a single delivery of Pfizer.
Meaning obviously a delay to that end of June target, but not a disaster.

Much of 200k that have received their AZ already will be waiting 16 weeks for their 2nd , so thats in July.
The 450k of 60-69 will get their 1st dose but will not have their 2nd by end of June. So thats 660-750k needed before end of June , 1.2m to finish all those eligible. Supply forecast 950k of deliveries by end of June, so there could 200k sitting there for a bit and looks like no more supply of AZ is needed beyond July, which hopefully is not something of major concern given supply of other vacines will be as substantial July as they were in June.

So it you take 200k-300k of jabs will be sitting there around end of June time that's 1-2 weeks delay in the overall rollout, any delays due to cancellations this week or reconfiguring can be clawed back fairly easily.

I said before , due to the amount of supply due in July any slippage before end of June will be mopped up in nearly half the time in July. Not ideal but not end of world stuff.

Edit: any issues similar with J&J and its obviously a different story.

ebbsy

Had a look on Sky News just now, the Chemists in the UK are jabbing to beat the band.

Over here ? Our people who work in the chemists have not even got theirs yet.

When we had the banking crisis we received a loan from the UK.

It is now time to ask them for help again. There is no shame.

Micky 32

funnydoggy wrote: »

Definitely going back to therapy. This is such a dampener. I want to go back to work, I want to live my life. I know it isn't fair on anyone and I'm not special but man

If these blood clots are rare and are a side effect of the vaccines we’re ultimately going to have to take them and get back to normal because if we don’t Covid 19 will cause way more damage than these vaccines ever will.

josip

ebbsy wrote: »

Had a look on Sky News just now, the Chemists in the UK are jabbing to beat the band.

Over here ? Our people who work in the chemists have not even got theirs yet.

When we had the banking crisis we received a loan from the UK.

It is now time to ask them for help again. There is no shame.

How do you suggest that they 'help' us?

funnydoggy

Micky 32 wrote: »

If these blood clots are rare and are a side effect of the vaccines we’re ultimately going to have to take them and get back to normal because if we don’t Covid 19 will cause way more damage than these vaccines ever will.

100% agreed.

funnydoggy

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Hold your horses until its looked into.

No point in getting worked up.

In an Irish context the risk appears lower than AZ. Given the impact J&J would have here I wouldn't see them applying the same threshold.

I love reading your posts lol

BigMo1

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Hold your horses until its looked into.

No point in getting worked up.

In an Irish context the risk appears lower than AZ. Given the impact J&J would have here I wouldn't see them applying the same threshold.

Seriously? We have taken the most conservative action at nearly every turn during this pandemic.

Professor Moriarty

Micky 32 wrote: »

If these blood clots are rare and are a side effect of the vaccines we’re ultimately going to have to take them and get back to normal because if we don’t Covid 19 will cause way more damage than these vaccines ever will.

In all age cohorts, the risk of dying from Covid-19 is much greater than the risk of dying from a Covid-19 vaccine.

funnydoggy

BigMo1 wrote: »

Seriously? We have taken the most conservative action at nearly every turn during this pandemic.

To be fair, Dr. Glynn did say last night that we're doing this out of caution, and if AZ was our only vaccine it wouldn't be restricted.

J&J's impact should hopefully be big enough to avoid any restrictions.

Chris_5339762

The longer this goes on for, the more push there'll be for a vaccine passport for shops/restaurants etc. It's inevitable, especially if delays continue to mount.

I'm happy enough "doing my bit" and sticking to restrictions because the people I meet don't know that I'm vaccinated. FHCW.

But at the back of my mind, especially with increasing evidence out there that vaccines stop or vastly reduce transmission, there is a niggling voice "Why the hell am I still restricted when I am fully vaccinated? I'm safe to do things again"? I'm repressing it for now.

I know there are myriad hurdles to just saying "vaccinated people off you go and have fun", but the more that get vaccinated and the more delays there are, a collective voice might start to rumble louder.

Cork2021

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Hold your horses until its looked into.

No point in getting worked up.

In an Irish context the risk appears lower than AZ. Given the impact J&J would have here I wouldn't see them applying the same threshold.

No I’ve had enough! The ratio for those 6 cases in 7m is 0.00000086% that’s fûcking crazy pausing it for that minuscule risk! It’s shocking and you know as well as I do an abundance of caution will now be taken!
Let’s us all sign a waiver to any side affects and get on with this.
I want my life back as do the majority of the population and this only slowing it and creating vaccine hesitation

Widescreen

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Hold your horses until its looked into.

No point in getting worked up.

In an Irish context the risk appears lower than AZ. Given the impact J&J would have here I wouldn't see them applying the same threshold.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, when Ms Butler and co have deliberated.

BigMo1

funnydoggy wrote: »

To be fair, Dr. Glynn did say last night that we're doing this out of caution, and if AZ was our only vaccine it wouldn't be restricted.

J&J's impact should hopefully be big enough to avoid any restrictions.

I'd take that with an ocean of salt.

If the data shows that J&J has a similar likelihood of clotting events that AZ has, it's now a very hard sell to say J&J is OK where as AZ isn't.

I'd 100% gleefully take either of course.

GLaDOS

6 cases out of 7 million jabs, all women.

More data to come I'm sure, but the risk to men must be infinitesimal.

Continue jabbing men with it while we figure out why it's affecting women.

ceegee

Surely there's enough of an argument to push out the pfizer 2nd doses by a few weeks. Even pushing it to 6 weeks would speed up the number of people with one dose significantly

Multipass

GLaDOS wrote: »

6 cases out of 7 million jabs, all women.

More data to come I'm sure, but the risk to men must be infinitesimal.

Continue jabbing men with it while we figure out why it's affecting women.

It’s far far far (I can’t write enough fars) too small a dataset to have any significance.

funnydoggy

GLaDOS wrote: »

6 cases out of 7 million jabs, all women.

More data to come I'm sure, but the risk to men must be infinitesimal.

Continue jabbing men with it while we figure out why it's affecting women.

That would not go down well lol