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Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) **Mod warnings in OP**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭ Bananaleaf


    They were making the case on Primetime for closing schools a bit earlier before Christmas. I was only half listening, but I think they were wanting them to close 17th



  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭ brookers


    I give my kids the answers, my husband goes mad, they use their phones too, im tired after work and on my day off, have house cleaning and jobs to catch up. I type up all their projects and pretend it is them doing it using childish type phrases. I hate homework, those projects do my head in, I have no patience. I thinking of getting a tutor for secondary school as I just won't be able to have the head space for it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭ Bananaleaf


    I'm a secondary teacher and I give zero homework. I test them instead (1 a month in 1st year, fortnightly every other year and weekly for exam years) small, manageable tests that add up to an entire revision of the course by the end of the year. The exam timetable for the year is given at the beginning of the school year so it doubles as a study plan. Parents and students love it but it took me 7 years of teaching to figure out that homework was a waste of time. For all of the reasons that @glack mentioned and also the added reason (in the case of second level) that they all copy it. It used to be that they would copy off each other on the corridors or before school, but they are much more sophisticated now and have 'homework' Whatsapp groups!



  • Registered Users Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ MilkyToast


    I think if the aim is to protect the vulnerable that would be the most impactful measure they could take, overall. Causes a total nightmare for working parents though.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭ Bananaleaf


    100%. If they are going to do this, they need to decide now. It's ridiculously disrespectful to working parents announcing it with a day or two's notice



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭ Ellie2008


    I’m not having a go I’m genuinely asking why would it be convenient not to discuss that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭ spaceHopper


    There are roughly 1 million households in Ireland, so the 100 Euro off your next energy bill is going to cost 100 Million Euros. Yet they couldn't find 80 million to make schools safer because of "procurement rules" or some other nonsense. Raging

    For some people it will be life line others nice and all as it is it's not needed they aren't struggling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 534 ✭✭✭ brenbrady


    Do you know if there is any provision in law or statutory instrument that requires or mandates the wearing of face masks in primary schools? Received several notifications from the school and they don't say what the requirement is. The wording appears to be intentionally vague...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭ History Queen


    Not sure. The circular issued to schools might be what you are looking for?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭ ginoginelli


    Because then they would have to address ventilation in a serious manner. In order to do this they would need to allocate funds and change legislation. Many businesses and amenities would have to be retrofitted etc. It would be a costly and a significant undertaking.

    Its much easier and cheaper for them to just emphasize handwashing, hand sanitizers, and wiping down surfaces etc.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭ solerina


    We don’t have any staggered times, we don’t have pods (a total con anyway) we don’t have any staff room restrictions, we don’t have different yard times (yard time in PP ???). We do have masks and windows open and useless carbon dioxide monitors !!



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,779 ✭✭✭✭ _Kaiser_


    As far as I'm aware there's no legal mandate but like so much else (eg: the "requirement" for doing antigen testing after you've travelled) it's intentionally phrased and reported to confuse people as to where it's law or not, in order to coerce them into complying anyway.

    Last I saw (been out of the loop a few days) they'd backtracked on this one to say that schools should engage with individual parents who object - dumping it on the staff to sort out essentially.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ jrosen


    I heard that, seems to be doing the rounds on social media too. Parents can keep their kids home if the want too no need for the dept to make that call.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭ Bananaleaf


    And there is an argument for (at least at second level) keeping them in school, which is a controlled environment where they will be socially distanced and wearing masks, opposed to having them out in shopping centres with larger groups where they'd probably be more likely to pick it up



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭ blanch152


    If you don't have any staffroom restrictions, then that is the biggest risk in your school.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,066 ✭✭✭ Icyseanfitz


    And the question of why does the responsibility of what children do outside of school hours/days fall to schools as opposed to parents being responsible needs to be asked as well.

    Personally I would like to finish up Friday the 17th so as to have an extra few days to check for symptoms/antigen testing before visiting my elderly parents/in laws. If this means the schools are back a few days earlier so be it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,769 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so


    There was a piece in the IT which mentioned the extreme annoyance of parents with the enforced Storm Barra closure of many schools unnecessarily. The government would be wise to let the term finish as planned, especially as nothing in case numbers or hospitalisations warrants any other changes this side of Christmas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ MilkyToast


    That's what I'll be doing. One of mine has a cold that looks like it'll be here at least half of this week, and we're spending Christmas day with a few particularly vulnerable relatives. I'll see if their teachers want to give them anything to work on at home but they won't be going in.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭ Bananaleaf


    I hear you, but Mon 20th - Wed 22nd 9-3 is not outside of school hours. If the sole reason for closing those days is too keep transmission as low as possible amongst schoolchildren, then it makes more sense to keep the schools open than it does to close them. I'm talking secondary now, not primary.

    I would also like to be off earlier to be on the safe side. I have my vulnerable father coming to spend Christmas with us. But, to be fair, we are contracted to work up to the 22nd so why shouldn't we? Shops and supermarkets will be working even later!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭ Bananaleaf


    I agree with you that the schools (unless something major changes) don't need to close early. But, I just have to point out that you will find parents who get annoyed at everything. If we didn't do stuff just to appease the annoyed parents, we'd do nothing. I'm generalising now and I know that, but they were gas last year. Raging that the schools were open, then raging when they closed. Raging that too much work was being sent home then raging there wasn't enough of it. 'Teachers are lazy so-and-sos who don't deserve a wage and sure I could do what they do in me back shed with no training' yet at the same time 'Our kids have suffered enough and are so far behind, they are regressing and we can't be expected to do this, you need to get the teachers back'

    If the schools hadn't closed because of Storm Barra, you can bet they'd have been raging about that too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭ DSN



    Agree. Am sure all retail staff, hospitality staff & nurses & doctors would all love to finish up this Friday ;) And as for anyone using the treble vaccinated 'elderly parents' excuse now - a pure cod. Teachers I know never stopped seeing their elderly parents because they work Mon-Fri. Visiting your parents is not just for Christmas!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭ copeyhagen


    i just read on facebook the schools are closing from yesterday....



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭ iamwhoiam


    You are indeed generalising and its a bit unfair . I am not a parent but a grandparent . I know many young parents , family , friends , neighbours and my own kids friends

    The vast majority of parents have played a blinder this year . Homeschooling while trying to work from home , encouraging , supporting and doing their very best to try to overcome a hurdle they were never prepared for

    Teachers too have stepped up and the vast majority have done their utmost to make this year easy when it really wasn’t

    They all deserve credit and not be lumped in with the minority who love a good whinge



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭ Bananaleaf


    To be fair, it's not teachers running with this 'close the schools early' - that has been coming from immunologists. I've no doubt teachers have been rubbing their hands together at the thoughts of possibly getting off a bit earlier - I know I have and tbh, who wouldn't? - but we haven't been going looking for it.

    I see where you are coming from, but the final week isn't entirely spent watching films and doing cake sales. Certainly not in all schools anyway. However, even if it was, students (in secondary school at least) are WAY LESS LIKELY to contract Covid whilst sitting, masked, in a room, 1.1m apart from their friends and using sanitiser regularly for half the day than they are if they are let "stay home to stop the spread". Do you really think they will all stay at home for those 3 days?

    Any student or family have genuine concerns about catching Covid in school can stay home. They don't have to come in. If they are that worried about catching it in school, they probably will actually stay home and will be safer.

    But there are lots who don't care and come to school without masks, not wearing masks properly, don't sanitise etc, etc. If we close the schools 3 days early, we are letting all of those lot loose on society, where they will definitely go to local shopping centres/into cities/go to house parties/meet up with groups of friends.

    Schools should stay open. Parents are capable of making their own decisions. They can take them out if they wish, no school would judge or blame them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭ Bananaleaf


    Yeah, it probably is a bit unfair, but so is the insane level of generalising and bashing that is directed at teachers on these forums. It might be the minority to love a good whinge, but when they are the only ones out there actually saying anything at all, they appear very much like the majority.

    You would have your work severely cut out for you if you went searching this thread for posts written in praise of teachers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭ iamwhoiam


    In my opinion boards is really not a reflection of the general public . Mainly its for those who want a good whinge about everything and anything !!

    My granddaughter is in 2 nd class and had three teachers during this pandemic . They have been amazing and deserve all credit for it . Her teacher this year deserves a medal !



  • Registered Users Posts: 610 ✭✭✭ TTLF


    Fair point made. Nice flip on my argument I agree.

    I suppose it'll always be down to the individuals actions, maybe people think it's not good to stay open considering schools were seen as "the place they were contracting it" by many adults but we can never really know for sure. I mean sure look at me, I THINK I contracted COVID in college, but it's not to say I didn't get it at the shop or from a friend either, college was just more likely with the lecture hall filled with 300+ people considering the mentality is usually "more people = bigger chance"

    Any-who, I just hope any decision doesn't impact a closure of school or college for a long time like last year.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭ Bananaleaf


    That is really nice of you to say. If you haven't already, say it to her face. A parent spoke to me last week and said some really nice things and I know I shouldn't need the reassurance, but it was really lovely to hear it.

    Yes, you are right. In fact - the major teacher/parent problem with boards, is that I think the good parents are not really on here because they are too busy being good parents and they are actually looking after their children. And the poor teachers are not really on here because they barely teach when they are IN school so certainly wouldn't have any interest in discussing or debating it when at home.

    So we end up with a load of parents with chips on their shoulders (possibly rightly so in some cases for all I know), directing it at the wrong types of teachers altogether.



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