Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

M_Murphy57

Hooked wrote: »

Jaysus lads n lassies...

'Tis a really REALLY sad state of affairs when I'm being attacked for admitting to living my life, taking calculated risks with like minded individuals. A year ago - they asked us to "push the virus" back, the'd build capacity, etc... They've failed us at every turn since!

I'm a very pragmatic person. I respect peoples opinions, though they may differ greatly from mine... but the amount of people blindly swallowing this drivel from the govt. and NPHET - unable to think for themselves is very worrying.

Last time I checked *(2 weeks ago) the death toll in Ireland was 45 people total, in under 45's. So, we 'take that risk' when meeting up once a month.

If I'm practicing social distancing and wearing masks EVERYWHERE else (as I should be) then I'm really only putting those I met on Sat night at risk. AND they are of the same mindset.

Imagine that - being in your 40's - and making up your OWN mind!

According to the CSO there are 0 (zero) deaths in the under 45s.

The ones you mention are captured by HSPC as "possible" covid deaths only. So the risk to under 45s of death is nil by the CSO.

TonyMaloney

Hooked wrote: »

Thank you for making me feel like I'm not the only lunatic in the asylum...

You're not a lunatic at all. You're just very irresponsible.

Boggles

Hooked wrote: »

Like you said - the petrol station... :rolleyes:

It's about as plausible.

facehugger99

gmisk wrote: »

I agree with regards controlled environments being re-opened. I went to restaurants at Christmas and they did a brilliant job, massive effort to keep to guidelines. I know someone who owns a small pub that serves food they are finding things horrendously tough.

Politicians/policy makers of course need to give people some kind of a path out of this and a clear roadmap...they have failed miserably.

But I am afraid "the people" have to shoulder at least some of the blame, they are the ones having parties, going to shebeens etc, the cases are not going down anymore.

I know a good way to stop that - let the pubs open, along with all other retail and hospitality.

Locking people up for the best part of a year and then blaming them for meeting up and socialising - It's like some Orwellian nightmare.

I never thought I'd see the day when people traded away so much for so little. It makes me ashamed of this country and a lot of people who live in it.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Sorry where were you?

It sounds like a pub?

An exclusive pub for you and your few friends?

High rollers.

You can pick up a pool table for a few hundred quid second hand and a dart board for €50. Hardly high rolling if you forego a few inches of TV and prioritise such things. Nice attempt at the old tribalism though, Boggles. Stay classy dude.

gmisk

Boggles wrote: »

It's about as plausible.

Darts, pool, cans and fags at the petrol station...what a bunch of absolute legends and rebels...

SAMTALK

Hooked wrote: »

Jaysus lads n lassies...

'Tis a really REALLY sad state of affairs when I'm being attacked for admitting to living my life, taking calculated risks with like minded individuals. A year ago - they asked us to "push the virus" back, the'd build capacity, etc... They've failed us at every turn since!

I'm a very pragmatic person. I respect peoples opinions, though they may differ greatly from mine... but the amount of people blindly swallowing this drivel from the govt. and NPHET - unable to think for themselves is very worrying.

Last time I checked *(2 weeks ago) the death toll in Ireland was 45 people total, in under 45's. So, we 'take that risk' when meeting up once a month.

If I'm practicing social distancing and wearing masks EVERYWHERE else (as I should be) then I'm really only putting those I met on Sat night at risk. AND they are of the same mindset.

Imagine that - being in your 40's - and making up your OWN mind!

That is your choice and it's everyones choice at the end of the day

Let's say 8 out of 10 people take your example and do what they want, fine that's their choice and I don't blame people at this stage

BUT IF the numbers stay the same or rise and the restrictions are kept in place for 6 more weeks, and everything is closed down will you and the other 8 / 10 people accept this because restrictions will not be lifted just because some people are ignoring them

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

You can pick up a pool table for a few hundred quid second hand and a dart board for €50. Hardly high rolling if you forego a few inches of TV and prioritise such things. Nice attempt at the old tribalism though, Boggles. Stay classy dude.

Tribalism? Srsly? :pac:

The OP claimed he and his friends had a "night out".

If he went to his mates garden shed and drank cans, well then just say that.

No need for the stories.

TonyMaloney

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

According to the CSO there are 0 (zero) deaths in the under 45s.

The ones you mention are captured by HSPC as "possible" covid deaths only. So the risk to under 45s of death is nil by the CSO.

There's been 50 deaths under 45.
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyofcovid-19inirelandweeklyreports/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Report_%20Week%2011_%20Slideset_HPSC%20-%20Website.pdf

And in the last 14 days the under 45s have made up 28% of all hospitalisations.

Hooked

TonyMaloney wrote: »

You're not a lunatic at all. You're just very irresponsible.

Respectfully - I disagree...

Hooked

Boggles wrote: »

Tribalism? Srsly? :pac:

The OP claimed he and his friends had a "night out".

If he went to his mates garden shed and drank cans, well then just say that.

I said we had a night out, which we did...

Just to clarify - we didn't go OUT out...

gmisk

facehugger99 wrote: »

I know a good way to stop that - let the pubs open, along with all other retail and hospitality.

Locking people up for the best part of a year and then blaming them for meeting up and socialising - It's like some Orwellian nightmare.

I never thought I'd see the day when people traded away so much for so little. It makes me ashamed of this country and a lot of people who live in it.

"Orwellian nightmare" Christ what hyperbolic nonsense.

I already posted the below.
I agree re-open places if measures are in place.
The lack of a published and defined plan is a disgrace.

"I agree with regards controlled environments being re-opened. I went to restaurants at Christmas and they did a brilliant job, massive effort to keep to guidelines. I know someone who owns a small pub that serves food they are finding things horrendously tough. I also think retail should be open if they follow restrictions."

Whatsisname

marno21 wrote: »

People tried meeting up outdoors but then they got filmed and shamed on the radio the following morning.

Much easier to do it indoors in peace then.

People have had the opportunity to meet up with others from outside their household for 3 weeks out of the last 24 weeks and those 3 weeks included Christmas. It can't come to a surprise to anyone at this stage that people are meeting up again. The Government would be far better pushing the safest methods of this activity rather condemning people trying to get on with their lives.

This is basically the UK governments new approach from today. The new slogan is "Hands, face, space, fresh air". We're being encouraged to stay outside as much as possible, which is ironic considering we were told to stay inside for a year and they made it a criminal offence to be outside. But atleast theres some sort of attempt to move past this rather than somehow still arguing whether people should be allowed 5k from their house or not a year into this. You know things are bad when FF/FG make the Tories look competent.

TonyMaloney

Hooked wrote: »

Respectfully - I disagree...

Do any of you have kids?

Boggles

Hooked wrote: »

I said we had a night out, which we did...

Just to clarify - we didn't go OUT out...

So to actually clarify, you drank cans in one of your friends houses?

SAMTALK

SAMTALK wrote: »

IF the numbers stay the same or rise and the restrictions are kept in place for 6 more weeks, and everything is closed down will you and the other 8 / 10 people accept this because restrictions will not be lifted just because some people are ignoring them

What “numbers”? Case numbers?

They’re about to rise again when more go back to school after Easter regardless.

Deaths? I’m not in contact with any at-risk individuals, and those will fall as more at-risk people get vaccinated.

TonyMaloney

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Do any of you have kids?

Yeah. They just started Easter holidays. Why do you ask?

LameBeaver

TonyMaloney wrote: »

abso****ingloutely

you're very much a part of the problem, so whinging about the problem you're helping to create isn't valid

Absolutely. Any similar moaning and whinging future posts should be completely disregarded.

TonyMaloney

Akesh wrote: »

No, what is very irresponsible is the approach to this virus by NPHET and the Government.

What is even more irresponsible is those who believe you can install a perpetual lockdown with no adverse affects. Obviously NPHET and the government have the same expertise and knowledge on human behaviour as they do on pandemic management; None!

Having parties during a pandemic is irresponsible.

Don't bother your hole arguing with that.

lawred2

rob316 wrote: »

This headline I saw on a paper boiled my piss "Ministers push for construction to re-open"

Why do they have to push for it, they are meant to run the show?

yeah but they have to maintain the charade/narrative that much of this is outside their control in some shape or form..

Try to pretend that they have to "push" for it on our behalf with those sticklers over at NPHET...

"boys, if it weren't for the nerds over at NPHET; we'd be opening up, but our hands are tied"

It's circular buck passing.

TonyMaloney

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Having parties during a pandemic is irresponsible.

Don't bother your hole arguing with that.

Did you attend any parties in 2009/10?

Pussyhands

Lads, remember the app? Hasn't been mentioned in months, must be forgotten about. Another flavour of the month that probably cost us millions.

SAMTALK

Deleted User wrote: »

What “numbers”? Case numbers?

They’re about to rise again when more go back to school after Easter regardless.

Deaths? I’m not in contact with any at-risk individuals, and those will fall as more at-risk people get vaccinated.

Both, you're not in contact with at risk individuals, but you could be with someone who is .

So you think numbers will rise regardless, so let's all do what we like anyway.

Dont' get me wrong, there is a lot I dont agree with. like distance, certain business that could be open etc, but rebelling against restrictions is a lost cause

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Tribalism? Srsly? :pac:

The OP claimed he and his friends had a "night out".

If he went to his mates garden shed and drank cans, well then just say that.

No need for the stories.

Being reduced to arguing that only one very specific definition of “out” is now acceptable is not a good look chief.

Boggles

Well, there no real rush to open the fiction section in the book stores.

lawred2

TonyMaloney wrote: »

having parties indoors is a ****ing problem

if you're doing that kind of ****, you are part of the problem. And don't ****ing whinge about unemployment or mental health when you're negatively contributing to both.

It is hard to live within the rules, but doing exactly the wrong ****ing thing is inexcusable.

curtain twitchers weren't happy with people meeting outdoors either.

SusieBlue

It’s actually almost comical that according to the rules, a couple living in separate households haven’t been allowed to share a bed or have any private intimacy since December without breaking the restrictions.

How the government think that’s in any way realistic, sustainable or that it’s even being adhered to is quite amusing. I don’t know any couples following that rule. They have all continued to meet in each other’s homes, whether they were entitled to a bubble or not.

It just shows how completely out of touch those in charge are, that they still haven’t addressed this or made an exception. They know it isn’t being followed yet they will still continue with this rule well into May and probably beyond.

Even throughout the lockdowns in the UK couples living separately were allowed to mix households indoors. Not in good old Ireland though. Apparently physical contact between couples isn’t essential or necessary for 13 weeks and counting.
If it wasn’t so depressing it would be funny.

LessOutragePlz

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Having parties during a pandemic is irresponsible.

Don't bother your hole arguing with that.

Expecting people to continue to comply with draconian restrictions in counties with very low case numbers with no end in sight is very irresponsible.

The government only have themselves to blame for this as more and more people are becoming fed up with the never ending lockdowns.

You and other posters can continue to blame the people that are ignoring restrictions but the truth is if the government had any sense they'd take a regional approach and lift more restrictions in counties with very low case numbers but no they will continue to use the sledgehammer approach because it's all they've ever used.

So keep blaming the people all you want when in reality myself and the majority of the posters in this thread know that the blame for this is all on the government and their continued never ending lockdowns without even considering a regional approach.

facehugger99

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Having parties during a pandemic is irresponsible.

Don't bother your hole arguing with that.

The country needs more people willing to think for themselves and less subservient fools.

SAMTALK

facehugger99 wrote: »

I don't believe we have changed at all as a country in half a century,

Instead of the Bishops and Catholic Church, we now have St Tony, dishing out his nonsensical sermons and rules. There is no logic of science just blind faith behind it all

The lads today that would try and shame people for socialising with their friends are the same people who would have shamed young girls for becoming pregnant. It's puritanical nonsense from people who probably had fcuk all of a social life pre-pandemic.

Absolute ridiculous statement